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Kubuntu, ArkLinux Announce KDE 3.4-Based Releases 176

arexx writes "Kubuntu, the new Linux flavour based on the fast-climbing Ubuntu but with a KDE desktop as standard has reached its first preview release, with the first full release due next month. ISOs and torrents are available for all major architectures from cdimage.ubuntu.com. Kubuntu is the first distribution to ship with the new KDE 3.4, released just two days ago. Existing Ubuntu users can grab KDE 3.4 with a quick and customarily painless 'sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop' in the nearest terminal window." Kubuntu isn't alone, though: as reader fixertechno puts it, "After 3 years of development, testing, and me waiting patiently, the first stable release of Ark Linux has been released; Bero's announcement is here. Ark Linux is a KDE based desktop version of Linux with similar goals of 'it just works' to Ubuntu Linux. If you've been waiting to try Ark Linux -- or any Linux distribution for that matter, now's the time!"
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Kubuntu, ArkLinux Announce KDE 3.4-Based Releases

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  • by Timesprout ( 579035 ) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @07:15PM (#11987298)
    I just had a look at the screenshot for the 'easy to use' network config dialog. It lists nice clueless user friendly things like

    eth0 running Ethernet adapter
    lo running Loopback adapter

    All of which is perfectly clear to the average end user so presumably this is why there is no help button. And they seem to have a problem spelling associated, there was no z in it last time I looked.

    So after a very very brief look I dont see anything particularly user friendly but I do see sloppiness.
  • Oops (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday March 19, 2005 @07:20PM (#11987325)
    The whole purpose of Ubuntu having only Gnome is although choice is fine, a new user should be offered just Gnome, and is not to be bothered with any other desktop. Now the user is bothered with different ubuntu's before he/she even starts downloading or ordering a CD!

    Even worse, when Kubunto _also_ gains popularity, people will be able to help each other less. Much like the MacOS and Windows debates, groups of people will form around these and they don't usually sit next to each other, helping others with the different desktop.

    This is a big strength in the monopoly of Microsoft with their Windows. People are so used to seeing others who use Windows too, that they assume someone uses it when they see someone. I've lost count how many times people told me to click 'start' while I don't even have a menu button at all on my desktop.

    But those people help each other a lot, and they're happy that way. When you say you don't have that, then first they think that you can't do what they do (whatever it is) and second, they think what you run sucks/is harder/ because, well actually, they're just computer illeterate most of the times.

    However, I do not oppose the KDE project. But please, don't call this KDE-Ubuntu Kubuntu. Call it something else, because it's _NOT_ ubuntu. That way, it'll just mix into the usual browser war of mandrake/suse/redhat/etc. Thats something that we wont get rid of anytime soon, but one more or less probably doesnt hurt that much.

    SuSE Linux Professional and SuSE Linux Personal is ok, people can understand that, and they _both_ use KDE, only personal has no development stuff and other, more advanced stuff.
    This is different.
  • by ctid ( 449118 ) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @07:26PM (#11987356) Homepage
    I just had a look at the screenshot for the 'easy to use' network config dialog. It lists nice clueless user friendly things like

    eth0 running Ethernet adapter
    lo running Loopback adapter

    All of which is perfectly clear to the average end user so presumably this is why there is no help button.

    I think you're being pretty harsh here. It's years since I looked at a network setup screen on my linux boxes; nowadays all that just seems to work immediately after installation. I suspect that the only people who use such tools are experts. As for the spelling thing, who cares? It's not as if anyone would fail to see what is meant by the word. The guy has created a whole distribution. I am personally prepared to overlook the odd spelling mistake from someone who offers me so much of his time for nothing.

  • by darthpenguin ( 206566 ) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @07:28PM (#11987364) Homepage

    While I won't argue with you about general sloppiness (I've never tried out that distro), I think it's necessary to understand that only a certain level of "clueless user friendly things" can be allowed.

    The dialog you mentioned (link [arklinux.org]) labels the eth0 interface as "ethernet adapter". How much more abstraction can you expect? Should it be labeled "thingy that lets your magic number-adding box 'talk' to other magic number-adding boxes through a metal wire which fits into a rectangular-like hole in the back of both boxes"?

    At some point, you have to expect the user to know what they're doing, or expect them to learn something. There is no way around that, short of having someone knowledgable literally hand-hold them through every step.

  • Ubuntu + KDE (Score:2, Insightful)

    by puiahappy ( 855662 ) on Saturday March 19, 2005 @07:49PM (#11987447) Homepage
    I am a big fan of the KDE Descktop and i am very happy to hear that ubuntu is having a release whit a kde desktop, Ubuntu Linux speed combined whit the beauty of KDE can bring this lilte distro to get listed in the major distro`s category. I am hoping the best for Ubuntu, i realy enjoy it.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 20, 2005 @03:21AM (#11989402)
    E.g. take a look at the T2 SDE [t2-project.org]. It allows you to rebuild your CD or Live-CD any time with up-to-date packages including KDE and GNOME. Currently 3.4. and 2.10 are included since the day they have been released (GNOME even days before).

    And of course it supports nearly all architectures Linux does support - current: alpha, arm, mips, hppa. ia64. powerpc, powerpc64, sparc, sparc64, superh, x86 and x86-64.
  • by Slack3r78 ( 596506 ) on Sunday March 20, 2005 @05:05AM (#11989706) Homepage
    Basic rundown:

    Gnome is a GTK based desktop environment with a focus on usability and simplicity, at times to a near detrimental level. Philosophically, it's a solid approach, but developers and users do butt heads from time to time. It's generally considered more 'Mac-like.' (More MacOS = OS 9 than X).

    KDE is a QT based destkop environment which focuses primarily on flexibility and a high degree of customization. KDE focuses more on giving those that consider themselves power a larger degree of control. This degree of control does, however, lead to an increased level of complexity. Interface wise, it's the more Windows-like of the two.

    And it's this point that has me slightly confused with the Kubuntu project. If you spend any time around the forums, you'll pick up that Ubuntu is built around an almost severely strict regimine of usibility. For example, in one thread I was watching, the idea of using red/green to indicate OK/Fail during boot up was shot down on the grounds that it could cause problems for people with color blindness.

    While I appreciate that some people honestly prefer KDE as an environment, I don't quite see where it fits into Ubuntu's philosophy. Ubuntu is almost painfully easy to use - I have a friend who is a geek and a bit of a Macintosh zealot who's previously expressed a rather strong dislike for Linux, and even he's fallen in love with this distribution. I just don't see how it can maintain its character on KDE without pruning away many of the things the KDE advocates really like.
  • by utopicillusion ( 843168 ) on Sunday March 20, 2005 @06:16AM (#11989865)
    I have seen Ubuntu. Yeah, it's good that it's based on Debian. Most of the drivers are built in, so you don't have to compile your own. It's a bit freaky when you have to compile drivers right off the bat when all you want is to get your sound/wireless/hardware working. But what's the big deal with Kubuntu anyways. I really don't get it!! all you need to do is 'apt-get install kde-base kdm' on ubuntu. I think it's a big wate of time, and all the guy need to have done is to post on ubuntu wiki on how to get kde on a ubuntu machine.
  • by Klivian ( 850755 ) on Sunday March 20, 2005 @10:08AM (#11990377)
    Convenience? Ease of use? Saving bandwith? Saving time? All of the previous?
    You don't see the big difference with downloading one ISO, versus downloading one ISO and then download an additional desktop to replace the one you got from the ISO? I'd guess you are trolling, honestly you can't be that dense?
  • by Espectr0 ( 577637 ) on Sunday March 20, 2005 @12:33PM (#11991052) Journal
    Great, now what the fuck is Bemba?

    Funny that in spanish, bemba means "big mouth" i.e a person that has very big lips, mostly african americans

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