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Open Source Social Bookmarking Service 263

comforteagle writes "This past week I launched an open source social bookmarking competitor to del.icio.us - de.lirio.us. After running it for a while open to the public it appears to be running relatively bug free so this is the invitation to the Slashdot crowd. The code is entirely open and the content is cc licensed, so I'm sure it won't take too long for folks to cook up some additional tools aside from the blogging feature. For those not familiar the meme is social bookmarking, which is basically a service to share bookmarks publicly instead (or in addition to) only within your browser. There are lots of other additional benefits, but that's the gist of it. More details here and here."
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Open Source Social Bookmarking Service

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  • ...okay... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @01:54AM (#12086192)
    So how is this an advantage over del.icio.us, exactly?

    I mean, having source code to a del.icio.us like service available is nice, don't get me wrong. But I don't see how it makes del.irio.us itself any better. I'm not going to be upgrading the software on del.irio.us anytime soon.
  • Nice Ad (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @01:54AM (#12086198)
    Aren't you supposed to pay for ads on this site...
  • by Icarus1919 ( 802533 ) on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @01:57AM (#12086216)
    Maybe it's just me, that's a possibility, but I don't understand people's fascination with these kinds of services. Blogging, bookmark sharing, it all seems to me like a cry for attention from other people. Blogging looks like it could be fun, but I never participated in it because it always seemed as if no one would ever particularly are about my life, and if they did, it would say more about their life than mine. For the same reason, I probably wouldn't participate in this type of service. I'm not trolling, I simply really do not see the appeal. If I wanted to keep a record of my life, I'd be much more likely to keep a private journal.
  • by aussie_a ( 778472 ) on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @01:57AM (#12086217) Journal
    I haven't RTFA because letting the entire world know what my bookmarks are, without an option to let the world know what SOME of my bookmarks are doesn't appeal to me.

    Now I could modify delirious to have this feature but I don't have enough time and incentive. But something I do find odd are the names. I've always thought the del.ici.ous name was odd, but this is ridiculous. Is there something in social bookmarking that requires things to have periods in the middle of everything? Or is delirious just copying delicious?
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @02:01AM (#12086234)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • by Dancin_Santa ( 265275 ) <DancinSanta@gmail.com> on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @02:04AM (#12086255) Journal
    I think it is more like a MUD or a MOO except played out in a completely different format. What it has in common is that features can be added by participants with relative ease and everyone benefits if they wish to use those features.

    Obviously it lacks the dungeon crawling and killing people, but it still retains much of the social interaction. And as a benefit, it emphasizes socially beneficial activities such as sharing and openness rather than grouping and attacking.

    It's a bad analogy because the two things being compared are fairly dissimilar, however this kind of "Social bookmarking" is very new and innovative without precedent.

    Whether it can turn up something good is another story, but as far as a technology goes, it is pretty neat.
  • by nmoog ( 701216 ) on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @02:05AM (#12086260) Homepage Journal
    I mostly mostly agree with you on this one... 99.9% of all blogs (and indeed anything people "share") are gunna be crap. But it does mean that over time the good stuff floats to the top. Every webdesign blog I go to has a link to alistapart. It becomes easy to find the good stuff.

    And all the other stuff just sits there not harming anyone. And its good that people write stuff, rather than spending that half hour watching tv, or doing something useful... Its good to work out your brain even if no one in the world is interested! (heres my brain workout [webeisteddfod.com] :)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @02:08AM (#12086285)
    I simply really do not see the appeal.

    The internet is a big place but sometimes it is difficult to find the cool stuff. I would use this service in the same manner that I use boingboing and memepool, to find the cool and interesting stuff buried in the web. Stuff that I might not stumble upon on my own. That is one of the many things that a service like this offers.
  • by gl4ss ( 559668 ) on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @02:14AM (#12086321) Homepage Journal
    ..yet you are on slashdot which is basically a combination of blogging, bookmark sharing and crying for attention.

    your comments form a blog of sorts. i'm nearing 5000 mostly useless posts yet some people have found a quite good amount of them insightful, informative and so on.. even some that are funny! some aspects of the blogging community is just re-inventing slashdot(in a distributed uncontrolled way that mostly is a mess of people rambling about meme of the week).

    personal blogs tend to be boring. most people have boring lifes, but don't want to admit it.
  • by michaeldot ( 751590 ) on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @02:15AM (#12086329)
    Maybe it's just me, that's a possibility, but I don't understand people's fascination with these kinds of services. Blogging, bookmark sharing, it all seems to me like a cry for attention from other people.

    By posting here & now you're letting us know your opinion. We read it because we're interested in comparing your views to ours, learning something you know that we don't.

    Bloggers are just doing that too, letting anyone interested know what they think or have learnt. Maybe on a more regular basis, in a more defined structure, but it's essentially the same thing.

  • by earthbound kid ( 859282 ) on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @02:16AM (#12086338) Homepage
    We live in an age of social anomie. It's no wonder that people will do whatever is necessary to gain some recognition from the world. With shared values and public authority crumbling, people are increasingly isolated from those around them. Where once everyone in the village had a shared set of priorities, based on their shared social status, today, we are too fragmented to be able to really connect to people-- even people close to us.

    There is a positive side to all this though. Though we're all so isolated from our immediate neighbors, technology allows us to form virtual communities with those who have common interests. Look at open source software or Wikipedia-- most contributors are drawn in at first by the product, but eventually become members of a community. Firefox is a fine browser, but without colorful personalities behind it like Blake and Hyatt, it would never have taken off so quickly. People identify with the leaders, feel like they have a common bond, and interact that way. Even really small and silly niches, like Mac product rumors, can spawn a community.

    You have to be aware of some of this yourself though. Why post on slashdot at all, if not for the vague feeling that you're connecting with other human beings? We all long for connections, and being denied by our physical community, build virtual ones instead.

    It's as simple as that.
  • by Frodo Crockett ( 861942 ) on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @02:20AM (#12086349)
    Del.icio.us isn't just about sharing bookmarks, it's about having all your bookmarks in one place. Use del.icio.us, and you'll never have to sync bookmarks between different browers, OSes, or machines again.

    I find it quite useful to see what other people have bookmarked using the same tag. In fact, it's kind of like a human-filtered Google search. Why wade through pages of questionable search results when I can check del.icio.us and see what sites people looking for the same thing thought were worth visiting?

    Also, I think your comparison to blogs is unfair. Blogs are the modern equivalent of a crappy Geocities website. Del.icio.us has more in common with Wikipedia than blogs.
  • Yahoo!!?? Anyone? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @02:49AM (#12086489)
    Isn't this how Yahoo started? For me, at least, Yahoo (the catalog) was like bookmark repository. If I wanted bookmarks to some topic, I searched within Yahoo. Search engines are different because you end up with a bunch of stuff that may be completely inappropriate to the category you're interested in.

    What's conceptually new here?
  • by humankind ( 704050 ) on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @02:56AM (#12086512) Journal
    This is a classic example of what may be a valuable application without an accessible interface. You may have some good ideas but the initial presentation of the system and its value and functionality is somewhat uncertain. You can have the best idea in the world, but if you can't present this idea in what's typically coined as an "elevator pitch" you will fail.

    I hit the site. I couldn't tell what to do. I generally like the idea of ranking and sharing bookmarks but I couldn't tell how your technology or system had anything to do with it.

    Someone else will come along. Maybe with a less capable system, but with a better way of translating and explaining the value of such an application and they will trump you. Sometimes if you're too engrossed into the technical details you can screw yourself over. Either you will adapt quickly, or someone else will take your idea and make it more marketable, but what I see right now won't work.
  • by aussie_a ( 778472 ) on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @03:14AM (#12086593) Journal

    your comments form a blog of sorts.


    It also forms a forum of sorts. But people don't use that word, forum, because it isn't the hip word. The hip word is blog today.
  • by Paradox ( 13555 ) on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @03:48AM (#12086711) Homepage Journal
    Seriously- the web is supposed to be decentralized. Why do I keep seeing all these people expecting me to put my eggs in their basket?
    Ahh! You're right, but you're missing something. With RSS syndication, SOAP backends, and now swank javascript bookmarklets to instantly add stuff, del.icio.us actually makes it easier to keep your data around and get it to where it needs to be. With the increasing popularity of RSS, it turns out that data isn't really "locked up" inside webapps. Indeed, a good interface and fast RSS summaries can mean that content is more accessible once it goes into one of these services, instead of languishing on your hard drive.

    I can easily make a portal page from del.icio.us, by using the rss feature combined with tags search. I can dynamically query and feed my del.icio.us bookmarks into my blog or webpage info. I can integrate them right into my browser UI with Firefox's "live bookmarks". Compare that to them sitting in a directory, statically, on my home computer.

    The days where web apps are tarpits of information are slowly disappearing. Soon, apps will interoperate with each other because it provides a competitive advantage (want to move from livejournal to blogger? Blogger is going to make this as easy as possible for you, and Livejournal provides the interface because people use it for site syndication). Already, data sharing is very easy, and getting easier. It's only a matter of time before the real tipping point happens, and then the real question will be "Who has the best interface for handling my data," instead of "Who will avoid squirreling my data away in a dark hole."

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @07:29AM (#12087350)
    When we found a cool site, we didn't just bookmark it, we added it to our personal homepage. Along with something to tell people what that site was, and hopefully we made sensible links.

    This is fantasy nostalgia land. 90% of the web was crap then, 90% of the web is crap now. The only reason what you're talking about "worked" then was that that everyone was linking to the same 10% of sites. Then Yahoo came along and everyone just linked to Yahoo.

    Around the time that that 10% started to get too big for Yahoo, Google came along and made a hell of a lot easier to find what you wanted out of that 10%. Now, the web has grown and changed so that it's too big and complex even for Google. So people are starting to use other people to help keep that 10% managable.

    Too bad Google is repeatedly and regularly fooled. For a bunch of guys that are so goddamn smart, they seem to regularly get taken to task

    Have you considered that web searching might be a pretty hard problem? And that spam and SEOs existed long before Google? And that you're completely out of your mind if you think things were better before Google?

    Maybe I'm old, but Netscape stored its bookmarks in an HTML file you could regularly FTP up to your homepage, or something similar. Oh, and back in the day, if you had the time, you could update your homepage a lot. That was kinda like what you kids keep telling me is so "revolutionary"- this whole 'web log' thing.

    Now you're just being an ass. So the fuck what if you could do the same thing five or ten years ago? It's quicker, easier, and simpler today, and you know what? It turns out that a lot more people actually do it when it's quicker, easier, and simpler. If you think this is a bad thing, you're an elitist prick.

    So pardon while I yawn at this service which..um..does what? Let me post my bookmarks? Which I can do already?

    You don't actually have any idea what you're talking about, do you? You just read a few comments and all of a sudden thought you knew what it was. And what, really, is your point? Nobody is stopping you from having your fucking FTP'd bookmarks.html. Hell, I encourage it. Meanwhile, the rest of us have found a better way to maintain our bookmarks.

    Seriously- the web is supposed to be decentralized.

    And it is. It just happens that some nodes are more significant than others. If Google disappeared tomorrow, the web would continue to function with hardly any problems, except perhaps a marked increase in bitching about the lack of a decent search engine.

    [I just looked at your post history and it's evident that all you do is complain, so I guess you would be among those.]

    superbanana@dodgeit.com
  • Scuttle (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @09:23AM (#12087720)
    Another option is Scuttle [sourceforge.net].

    One of the reasons I've been wanting to run my own version of del.ico.us is that the site has had quite a bit of downtime and issues with bandwidth. I'd much rather run my own version for myself and perhaps family and friends in order to ensure that we don't lose our data and can access it however/whenever we wish. I'd also like to imrpove upon some of the things that interest me in regards to the interface and such.
  • Re:Confusing (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 30, 2005 @10:49AM (#12088315)
    And as anyone who's actually used the Open Office spreadsheet can tell you, it's also spot-on true.

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