Apple to Release first Tiger Update 132
Ninj4Bytes writes "AppleInsider is reporting on the first update to Mac OS X Tiger. The update is reported to address 'over three dozen componets, with an emphasis on improving general stability and reliability'. The patch is listed for a mid to late May release."
Good (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Good (Score:2, Interesting)
I had it running on the Mac mini which I'm using for a home theater media console, but my Sonica USB soundcard from M-Audio doesn't work with Tiger at all yet, so I had to downgrade back to 10.3.9.
(Apparantly M-Audio decided the perfect time to roll up their sleeves and start making 10.4 drivers for their Mac hardware was a week after the retail release.)
From what I've seen so far, Tiger's a pretty sweet OS, and as soon as M-Audio gets their
Re:Good (Score:2)
(Apparantly M-Audio decided the perfect time to roll up their sleeves and start making 10.4 drivers for their Mac hardware was a week after the retail release.)
M-Audio has a history of doing that. When Panther was released, it took awhile for them to get drivers out for my Revolution 7.1.
If the Ars Technica review is right, this shouldn't be as big of a problem for future Mac OS X releases. See this [arstechnica.com] for more details.
Re:Good (Score:2)
My problems were that when I orginially upgraded it failed to install the new dictionary toys, and isync.
I couldn't find those as seperate packages so i had to upgrade everything again.
Tiger broke 3 applescripts I was using, and had loaded into my dock, causeing the dock to lock up. When i finally got those removed, Tiger behaved. Firefox though doesn't behave very well, it locks up if I leave it running for a day or so. I can force it closed, then
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Re:Good (Score:4, Informative)
I type in "theo de raadt", just for some obscure example which I figured would get some results, since I'm subscribed to misc@openbsd...
Somewhere between a quarter of a second and perhaps a half a second of finishing typing his name, the results are up (386 total).
If I type in "network", same deal. A split second I've got results (1134) and then another split second later they're broken up into 9 categories.
I am impressed. I've used programs like iSys before, however this is integrated from the desktop all the way to the command line.
At first I was put off by seeing results come up as a type and this caused me to type slower and make mistakes because I was distracted by that and would look at them before they were as meaningful as they could be. I've since learned to just force myself to concentrate on completing the phrase and then looking.
Re:Good (Score:1, Informative)
The 4200RPM drive is definitely a limiting factor, as is the bus speed. It's closer to instant on a G5 of any kind, with the much higher bus speed. I reccommend using Smart Folders when possible, as updating searches is much faster than performing a fresh query every time.
Also, as applications begin using Spotlight internally, you'll find it much more useful. App designers can limit the search to certain data, rather than the truly massive
Re:Good (Score:2)
There might be a problem there for you. I hit command+space, and typed in slashdot, and less than 1 second later, I had 27 entries, including some emails that people wrote me 18 months ago about HP calculators. I've found Spotlight to be very fast, and incredibly useful.
I've got a 1.5 GHz PowerBook G4 with 1 GB RAM.
Re:Good (Score:2)
For instance, if you type in "word" it'll find documents that contain the word "word" but also .doc files created in word, help files for word, etc. So it's not just based on file names, like the above programs, a
Re:Good (Score:2, Informative)
Core Image will not be used at all until there are new applications that actually make use of it.
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Re:Good (Score:5, Insightful)
In the "Welcome to Tiger" booklet that comes with OSX, there's a shot of Tiger's spotlight search bringing back results showing documents, images, settings, etc. Under the photos, they focus on a section where you can blow out the details of individual photos and see the metadata used by the search to find it. Clearly shown in the sample (and indeed demoed by Steve Jobs himself at various keynotes) are the keywords assigned to the photos in the iPhoto software. This has never been searchable on my system, even after a rebuild and repair of permissions by the install disc. Some people are reporting this is fine, while others are having the exact same problem.
Works for me. (Score:1)
Re:Works for me. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Works for me. (Score:1)
Re:Good (Score:3, Informative)
Here is a screencap from when I was testing:
http://matrixpointer.com/screens/xenon_spotlight.p ng [matrixpointer.com]
Re:Good (Score:5, Informative)
I haven't experienced this problem myself, but here are some things you might try, in Terminal:
mdimport -L will list all of your Spotlight importers -- there should be one for iPhoto, but if there's not, then that's your problem. I don't know why you wouldn't have it, though.
mdimport -r
Re:Good (Score:2)
It's more like they released a bunch of products, and only a few of them don't work right in certain circumstances. For the majority, Tiger is fine, but if something does break, it's usually just one thing in a package full of things that work right.
Also, 10.x.1 releases are to be expected soon after release, as 1) the final version was frozen a month or so prior to the actual release date (so it's been more li
FUD alert! FUD alert! (Score:1)
According to Apple Tiger's Quartz Extreme [apple.com] page, this is not the case. Perhaps you need to take a look at the Quartz Extreme Requirements [apple.com].
For a balanced evaluation of Quartz 2D Extreme, check out this [arstechnica.com] April 28th review by Ars Technica.
Re:FUD alert! FUD alert! (Score:5, Insightful)
Inaccuracy alert! (Score:5, Informative)
From the second to last pair of paragraphs in your link...
"There's one final barrier to hardware-accelerated bliss. Quartz 2D Extreme is disabled by default in Mac OS X 10.4.0. That's right, the whiz-bang new technology you just read all about is not actually used in Tiger unless it's explicitly enabled using the Quartz Debug application. Even then, it only applies to applications that are launched after it was turned on. It also appears that Q2DE is re-disabled when you quit the Quartz Debug application.
Why develop something as impressive as Quartz 2D Extreme and then leave it turned off by default? My inquiries to Apple have gone unanswered, so I can only speculate about the reasoning behind this decision. My best guess is that all of the bugs could not be excised from Q2DE in time for Tiger's launch date, and that it will be enabled by default in a subsequent update--perhaps as early as version 10.4.1."
Mea Culpa (Score:2)
I was totally wrong. My appologies to Winterblink. Clearly staed on parargaph 43 of the 46 paragraph, 1 table, and 3 figure Ars coverage of Quartz Extreme in Tiger, it does state that the only way to use Q2DE (if you have the proper graphics card) is to use it in debug mode.
I am totally perplexed by this
Re:Mea Culpa (Score:1)
Re:Mea Culpa (Score:2)
an ATI Radeon 9600 is not the same as an ATI Radeon 9600 XT, but Apple doesn't even make the XT cards and option for PowerMacs and ships the 9600 with the iMac. Why does Apple make only their top of the line computer support Core Image that they have been promoting?
Re:Mea Culpa (Score:1, Informative)
"Quartz 2D Extreme" is a term used only in a debugging utility -- it isn't something they've demoed to the public. It's not even that interesting -- it just makes some 2D operations faster. Quartz Extreme (the feature introduced in Jaguar) introduced hardware-accelerated compositing, which enabled new fu
Re:Mea Culpa (Score:2)
Actually, Q2DE is a lot more interesting that QE imho (although the former requires the latter for optimum efficiency). It allows for trans
Re:FUD alert! FUD alert! (Score:2)
Motorola v60 Syncing... (Score:2)
Re:Motorola v60 Syncing... (Score:2)
But, here's to hoping . . .
Re:Motorola v60 Syncing... (Score:2)
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This is pretty common... (Score:2)
Re:This is pretty common... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:This is pretty common... (Score:5, Informative)
During the time that the GM disk is being pressed and shipped, the people in the QA department are finding bugs and engineers are fixing them.
Apple then distributes the fixes with Software Update after ADC members have time to test the seed (giving them a week or two to do it.)
-ch
Let's hope they fix Dashboard (Score:4, Interesting)
This is what Help said: "You cannot remove widgets from the Widget Bar or change their order"
And that's just plain stupid. I hope they fix that soon.
Re:Let's hope they fix Dashboard (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Let's hope they fix Dashboard (Score:5, Informative)
Missing an important step. (Score:5, Funny)
Just go to ~(username)->Library->Widgets and drag them out.
. . . and shoot them. It's the only way to make sure they don't come back.
Re:Missing an important step. (Score:2)
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Re:Let's hope they fix Dashboard (Score:1, Insightful)
Hey, maybe they fixed my bug... (Score:5, Interesting)
I submitted this bug report to Apple the day after Tiger came out. (Bug ID 4104116)
And once again, as with my iTunes + null separator character bug, it was quickly marked "No Workaround" and I lost privileges to view it. I cannot fathom why they don't want me to see the report again.
Re:Hey, maybe they fixed my bug... (Score:2)
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Re:Hey, maybe they fixed my bug... (Score:2)
No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:2)
Eventually, somebody will manage to get a Mac virus out there, and then this will become an issue.
Re:No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:1)
1. No virus for Tiger exists yet (or, indeed, for any flavor of OS X), so there's nothing put in your code blacklist.
2. Most Mac users (myself included) generally don't buy AntiVirus software, so you will only be able to sell it to a relatively small fraction of a relatively small market.
Re:No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:1)
Re:No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:1)
Even if you do want to scan a file for Windows virii, you can do so with any of dozens of free web-based utilities. Hell, send it to yourself in a Yahoo or Hotmail e-mail account, and there you have it.
Re:No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:2)
No one make a virus that affects me. Besides, the mail server is the point that viruses should be stopped at.
Re:No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:3, Informative)
Unless you count SevenDust, but that's a Classic MacOS virus.
MacOS X needs AV like a horse needs a fifth leg.
Re:No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:1)
Re:No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:2)
I think it is pretty pointless. There really aren't any "Mac" viruses to be concerned about just "PC" viruses that are incompatible.
In the event that someone actually does write a virus targeting the Mac, I am fairly confident it will be widely publicized and I am certain a patch will be available quickly.
Re:No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:1)
Curious. I installed Tiger yesterday, and discovered a new user account had been added: "Clam AV".
Re:No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:2)
Re:No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:2)
However, the fault of there being no antivirus solution compatible with Tiger lies not with Apple (it's not their market), but with the antivirus vendors.
Tiger wasn't a secret. McAfee, Symantec, and even the smaller Mac antivirus vendors have access to OS seeding. They had more than enough time to put out a patch for Tiger compatibility. Or, to be more in line with the market, they could have had an entirely "new" version ready to roll for full pric
Re:No AntiVirus for Tiger (Score:2)
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Tiger w00t? (Score:3, Interesting)
I can't decide if I like Tiger or not. having splashed out for a family pack, for my iMac G5 (1GB RAM), my Al PowerBook G4 (512MB RAM), my parents Al PowerBook 17" (256MB RAM) and mother-in-law's mini (512MB RAM) I can't say that I've seen anything about it that I would recommend. If anything it feels slower than panther. Spotlight is useful and I played with it for a bit, but its way too slow to be as world changing as we had been promised. I was really looking forward to Automator, but the few times I though it would be useful it wasn't (although I haven't given up yet). Dashboard widgets are an interesting addition, but at a substantial memory cost - I don't feel it on the G5, but the G4s I've got access to you seem to have a choice - Dashboard or Fast User switching... fast user switching is more useful to me.
My hope is that these new technologies expected Quartz 2D Extereme to be turned on and that once its stable, I'll get the "it just feels snappier" experience that we mac users have come to expect from an upgrade. At the moment this feels more like Win2k to XP.
To keep this pro apple, its not all bad. There are two technologies that I wouldn't give back: Safari RSS and QuickTime 7, both of which feel positively super charged. But I wouldn't describe them as "worth the ticket price alone", especially as you can now get QT7 for panther.
This update can't come soon enough. Lets hope it unlocks the true tiger within!
Re:Tiger w00t? (Score:1)
Panther was my first version of OS X (only converted last year) so I haven't really "experienced" the ever-increasing speed of OSX.
However I like the fact that it may get even faster once they work the kinks out of Quartz 2D Extreme... that would just be icing on the cake.
Re:Tiger w00t? (Score:2)
Re:Tiger w00t? (Score:1)
However I have no complaints. Tiger's pretty kick-ass. Thankfully I'm back to using it as my fulltime computer again so all is right with the world
Re:Tiger w00t? (Score:2)
Whether they actually will or not is another question, of course, but I'm holding off judgment. In the mean time, I too see no particular reason to rush to upgrade.
(Unless you're into real-time video compositing, in which case Quartz Composer is a
Re:Tiger w00t? (Score:2)
And just to remind me... in the menus theres tons of options grayed out with the word "PRO" next to it.
Re:Tiger w00t? (Score:2)
http://www.macosxhints.com/article.php?story=2005
Re:Tiger w00t? (Score:2)
Re:Tiger w00t? (Score:2)
Re:Tiger w00t? (Score:2)
Personally, I find Tiger to be noticably faster on my 1Ghz iBook - and I've been consistently complaining about OS X's dismal UI performance for years. It's still not as snappy as Windows, but it's probably on the same level as GNOME and KDE.
Indeed, it was the Ars review that convinced the speed
adium (Score:2)
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Regards,
O.o (Score:2)
I hope this isn't the start of a bad trend (Score:2)
Re:I hope this isn't the start of a bad trend (Score:2)
Re:I hope this isn't the start of a bad trend (Score:2, Informative)
Right on schedule (Score:3, Interesting)
The other thing is that once Apple freezes a release as "GM", then you've got a gap of around a month before the public release. So in the meantime, they've got a head start on fixing issues, plus the ones that come up in the first week or two of public release. That makes for a first bugfix release within a month of launch (which has always been Apple's pattern in the X world), followed by further point releases every couple of months afterwards until the next major rev.
And that's in addition to the (now) monthly security updates and any other updates to components that come along.
I've got a whole fleet of Macs (iMac G5, PowerBook 667, PowerBook 15" 1.5 and mini at the office, iMac G3 and a pair of iMac G4s at home), and the way I handle a major update is to try it on one system at launch, because some of my customers will jump immediately. In this case, I threw it on my newer PowerBook G4 (I put my copy of Server on the mini). After the 10.4.1 update, I'll probably start deploying it on a couple of the other Macs, but keep 10.3 around for a while so I can support my 10.3 customers.
A handful of my customers still use 10.2, but it's not enough to bother keeping a 10.2 system around.
The disadvantage of Apple's approach is that the new release usually has a lot more little minor bugs and compatibility issues than a new Windows rev, because the new MacOS version is in the hands of relatively few people for a shorter development cycle. On the other hand, the fixes are rapid, and within a couple of months all the straggling 3rd party developers have usually caught up. Apple releases entire new versions of the OS in the time it takes Microsoft to release a service pack.
Re:Right on schedule (Score:1)
Can't wait for 10.4.1 (Score:1)
License Update? (Score:2, Informative)
See the new 4. Consent to Use of Data clause [apple.com] here. While the link is to a sample license, clause 4 is the same as the licen
Standard Slashdottera: (Score:2)
anti-Apple: This is ridiculous! If Apple can release a major set of bug fixes this soon after releasing the OS, why didn't they just put off the release date a few weeks so they could sell it with the fixed bugs?
soon (Score:1)
I hope they get
Apple to Release first Tiger Update (Score:4, Funny)
Oh good! I was worried it would be released by Microsoft.
iPod Kernel Panic? (Score:1)
Re:First patch (Score:5, Funny)
Yup! Also, Google has announced Google This, Google That and Google Something Else. Now you're caught up for the last six months -- pay attention from here on!
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Re:First patch (Score:2)
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-shpoffo
Re:Forced to wait (Score:1)
Re:This isn't the type of post that belongs on /. (Score:5, Informative)
a) don't read them
b) sure as hell don't post in them about how they don't belong on Slashdot
Now I do this because even though from my perspective I come here for other types of geek news and errata, other people do come here for those types of information. In case you didn't realize, there's a handy feature found in your user profile on Slashdot that allows you to remove items from being shown on your homepage (example: Apple-related news). Give it a try.
Re:This isn't the type of post that belongs on /. (Score:3, Interesting)
The point is that this site will always be one where news is interspersed with rumors, opinions, etc. That is what Slashdot is. This particular posting isn't inconsequential if you're someone like myself who has had issues with the latest OS (not showstopper ones mind you, but issues nonetheless).
Re:This isn't the type of post that belongs on /. (Score:1)
what they really are saying is they know slashdot, and we must all know it the way they do. kinda fascist if you ask me.
Re:This isn't the type of post that belongs on /. (Score:1)
Re:AppleDot again (Score:1)
lets see, a story about a FREE update which fixes bugs that effect users and the performace of thier computers they spend good money on is a advertisement for apple and not news?
yeah, an adverstisment. Im sure apple us thrilled we are discussing their fucks ups and free patches and not something that people actuialy will pay for.
Why does zabasearch... (Score:2)
Re:Cool. (Score:1)
Never. As I understand it, the stuff that broke networking on a lot of applications are fundamental changes in Tiger's APIs that can't be fixed without going back to the old (Panther) way. Every major revision of Mac OS X has broken compatibility with at least a few apps.
Compatibility issues with applications will have to be fixed by the individual software vendors, specifically, they'll have to switch to the new APIs.
The good news is that one of the big things about Tiger is that Apple has supposedly
Re:Cool. (Score:2)
And some of those changes might be...
...the result of the introduction of the "sustainable" kernel interfaces [apple.com]. It sounds as if that might be part of what the
Re:Cool. (Score:2)
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