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Inside the Open Source Lab 105

Posted by timothy from the their-only-begotten-oc48s dept.
FreeFooOpenFighter writes "KernelTrap has an interesting article about Oregon State University's Open Source Lab. They currently provide hosting for an impressive list of projects including, among many others, the Mozilla Foundation, Debian GNU/Linux, and Gentoo Linux. According to the informative article, they plan to continue to donate hosting with their two OC48s to FOSS projects meeting their criteria."
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  • On behalf of the Rest of the World (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 07, 2005 @07:11PM (#12464570)

    here are four (4) words that are never said enough to all the people involved in FOSS, they are free and no licence is required to say them:

    Thank You Very Much

    best wishes
    The Rest Of the World(TM)

  • SourceForge is open to the public, and kicks ass. What has this to offer that sf doesn't?

    • Re:sf.net (Score:5, Informative)

      by keesh ( 202812 ) on Saturday May 07, 2005 @07:24PM (#12464656) Homepage
      Sourceforge couldn't even begin to handle a project as big as, say, the main Gentoo CVS tree. Gentoo alone has more hardware at OSL than all of sourceforge put together.

      • SF.net, until recently, ran on 1 server and 1 backup. Now I think they have 4 front-line servers and 2 backup (total of 6).

        I'm sure many OSS projects have more hardware than SF.net (in fact I know the projects I host at SourceFubar.Net do).

        There's a difference between "Doing It", and "Doing it Right". SF.net is a case of the former.

        • I agree to sticking with SF cause I got a huge problem with OpenSource being tied to schools. If you look at the credits for alot of the projects, the developers names should be the only thing on the list.

          I am almost offended when I see MIT, Stanford on a project list. It's not like a corporation that has a copyright lifespan. The school names never scrubs off, they last forever! When the developers are dead, the schools name is still associated with the code, project, credit....

          • Re:sf.net (Score:4, Interesting)

            by hacker ( 14635 ) <hacker@gnu-designs.com> on Sunday May 08, 2005 @12:56AM (#12466081)
            "I agree to sticking with SF cause I got a huge problem with OpenSource being tied to schools."

            My only real beef in that regard, is that SF.net is not Open Source at all. Their code isn't Open Source, their formats are not Open Source, and they are wholly a 100% proprietary entity. They're just using the OSS community to get them visibility with corporate sponsors.

            One of my former colleagues used to work for them. When they released 1.0 of the proprietary SF.net codebase, all of the developers were immediately fired. It was like "Thanks for helping us reach this wonderful milestone. Now we can become profitable. You're all fired."

            You can't even download the last version of their OSS code and use it to run your own version of a version control hosting solution. If you wanted to migrate away from SF.net and export your projects, bugs, files, etc. you can't... because there's nothing else out there to import that data into. Its just like Microsoft documents... once you get your data in, you can't get it back out.

            That also doesn't take into account how many things they've crippled in the name of "security" there. Mailman (no mbox downloads, no search, no offline use of archives), cvs (no deletions, no branches), etc.

            Pitiful.

            • Re:sf.net (Score:3, Informative)

              by bangzilla ( 534214 )
              re: "They're just using the OSS community to get them visibility with corporate sponsors" - not so. When SF.net was launched no one knew how successful it would turn out. First and foremost the objective of SF.net is to do the best it can for the community. Yes money is needed to keep the site running (as Patrick says in his post, SF.net has *lots* of hardware, and consumes much bandwidth).

              The developers that were laid off were not fired for completing 1.0 of SF.net as you imply. They were laid off along

              • Re:sf.net (Score:3, Interesting)

                by hacker ( 14635 )

                "We know what we've done for the Open Source community today -- what have you done?"

                I've only contributed patches, fixes, documentation and code to about 300 OSS projects over the last 10+ years. I only provide free, gratis hosting to OSS projects (using 100% Open Source tools, unlike SF.net). I only host dozens of mailing lists for OSS projects, gratis. I'm only the maintainer of about a dozen OSS projects myself.

                So you're right, not much at all.

        • Until recently? I think you should check your facts. SF.NET runs on close to 80 servers. The site has never run on one server. I'm not aware of any OSS project that has more hardware then SF.NET. In fact SF.NET has one of the largest CVS repositories in the world....with many 100's of gigabytes in the tree. The site currently serves over 13,000,000 milllion a day. SF.NET would have no problem hosting Gentoo, but it decided to get out of hosting distros three years ago. (I ran the site
    • Whilst SF is an amazing site and do provide an impressive range of services, they do have their faults. The site is down surprisingly often and the mailing lists frequently suffer from huge delivery delays and message reordering.

      Don't get me wrong: what SF do is great and it's a non trivial task. But when we had sufficient resources, we moved over to our own systems where we had better control over such technical issues.
    • I love SF, except for its statistics system, which has been down for the majority of my project's life time. The new statistics system release has been delayed multiple time, kind like Longhorn.
    • SourceForge does not offer hosting for dedicated servers (including those coming from the communities themselves that need hosting). We take a real hands-on approach as well. For example, a new 2-way mobo and procs are being shipped for one of Gentoo's AMD64 development boxes this coming week. Someone from the OSL will be available to perform the upgrade when it arrives. It is more of a server hosting environment than a managed project hosting environment.

      SourceForge is great.. Most OSS apps out there
  • Like developing a new C library thats secure and fast.

    Or how about help developing a java operating system for high security. [sourceforge.net]

  • ...is there any way this works to the advantage of keeping fire under the rear ends of the Debian people to move forward at something other than their historical snails' pace?

    Also, do we need to have SF vs. OSL flaming? Either way, we have repositories for the OSS world to work with. Most of the stuff I use is over at SF for both Linux and Windows. However, if something is homed at OSL, that's cool too.

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