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Firefox Updated to 1.0.4 454

Exstatica writes "Firefox has been updated to 1.0.4 and they have fixed a few critical security holes, all javascript vulnerabilities. The Mozilla Foundation announced these vulnerabilities May 7th. 'There are currently no known active exploits of these vulnerabilities although a proof of concept has been reported." You don't have to upgrade, but it's recommended.'" We've reported on these vulnerabilities previously.
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Firefox Updated to 1.0.4

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  • by portwojc ( 201398 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:00AM (#12508206) Homepage
    Yes excellent work.

    Hopefully the mainstream news sources I saw will report this just as they reported the problem. I'm not holding my breath though.

  • IE still #1 a-ok (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:00AM (#12508211)
    With my hardware firewall, and ActiveX disabled I am not afraid to use IE. It's faster and smaller, and renders sites better than Firefox. I do, however, love the WebDeveloper extension for FF.
  • Re:Many Eyes ? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by ssj_195 ( 827847 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:08AM (#12508263)
    They do, to an extent (but this does not magically prevent a product from *being released* without bugs), and yes it does, just like all software. It's worth noting that most (all?) of these bugs have been found precisely by these eyes that are looking over the code.

    Oh, and hats off to the Firefox devs for the scorching turnover on this flaw. When Firefox 1.1 comes out (with its more diff-style updated) the process will be even more streamlined and painless.

  • Re:Great (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:10AM (#12508277)
    Just because the problem was only announced on security sites a week ago, does not mean it had not existed for years in the Mozilla codebase, plain for all to see. Microsoft on the other hand quietly releases fixes, then discloses what they fix. Practice has taught them one thing about vunerabilities, and that is that the sooner you release the fix the sooner the wolves will start chasing down the stragglers. In cases where a flaw is announced before a patch is out, the lag time for Microsoft isn't too shabby.

    Until Firefox has an upgrade mechanism that doesn't feel like extracting teeth, the Microsoft approach, regrettably is going to win out.

    -Steve
  • by MoogMan ( 442253 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:13AM (#12508305)
    But, on the flip side, it does show a lack of a security auditing process. This will be needed inevitably...
  • Good work guys (Score:1, Insightful)

    by Weaselmancer ( 533834 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:17AM (#12508330)

    We appreciate it.

  • by DaHat ( 247651 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:20AM (#12508344)
    That sounds awful ominous and near impossible... perhaps instead the line should be 'all known javascript vulnerabilities'?
  • rotfl (Score:0, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:24AM (#12508369)
    Talk about karma whoring...

    Seriously, what's the point in banging together a link to the 2 most popular extensions, etc?
  • Yes, but ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by thinkfat ( 789883 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:26AM (#12508395)
    ... as soon as the first proof of concept evolves into a worm, they will experience what it means to be deployed on millions of internet-connected pc's of clueless users.

    Rule #1: doesn't matter how fast you output a security update, if it's not being installed.

    Unfortunately it's not enough for an update to _exist_.
  • by Baramin ( 847271 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:28AM (#12508406) Homepage Journal
    You're obviousile eager to update your firefox rapidly, I suppose because of the security fixes of that new version.

    But you're willing to download it from any source as you're requesting a torrent, which can contain a "modified" version ?

    I fail to see the logic... I'd advise you to wait till you can download it from the main mirrors.

  • by grommit ( 97148 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:41AM (#12508501)
    And what does that "Check for Updates" do? That's right, it downloads the full installer to your desktop and executes it which is exactly the same as downloading it manually from mozilla.org except with a couple less mouse clicks. It still has to run the entire installer asking you if you want to re-create icons on the desktop/toolbar/start menu, do a quick/custom install and a few other things.
  • news? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Errtu76 ( 776778 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @09:59AM (#12508675) Journal
    Disclaimer: I like firefox. I use firefox.

    Why is this news? Does this mean that every time firefox decides to update, it should be front page news? Can't you (slashdot) create a seperate field where the latest versions of popular products are announced? Like:

    product | version | last update
    firefox | 1.0.4 | today

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:02AM (#12508704)
    What, do you think security audits catch every problem?
  • Re:Yes, but ... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by jbarr ( 2233 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:04AM (#12508714) Homepage
    And therin lies the double-edged sword. Just about everyone on /. complains about Microsoft's auto-update feature saying that it's intrusive, and they don't want some company to have control of what is installed on their PC's. Yet, in order to ensure security, an auto-update feature really becomes necessary. Of course, Microsoft and the Mozilla Foundation as companies are viewed with very different levels of "trusts." Unfortunatly, not everyone will be satisfied.

    Personally, instead of displaying the tiny unobtrusive update indicator as it currently does, I would love see Firefox do something like change the window color to red and display a system message dialog stating the problem with a link to the update. Maybe a good compromise?
  • by grommit ( 97148 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:11AM (#12508795)
    Yes, I'm sure in your mind the world revolves around you but here in the real world, some people actually consider the situation of a person other than themselves from time to time.

    You have broadband. Lots of people still don't. For instance, every time Firefox releases a new version, I have to burn it to a cd for a friend of my wife's at work so they don't have to sit around for an hour at home waiting for it to download.
  • by Curtman ( 556920 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:16AM (#12508833)
    some people actually consider the situation of a person other than themselves from time to time.

    The Buddha says there is no you and there is no me, only "us". ;)
  • Re:Yes, but ... (Score:2, Insightful)

    by zero_offset ( 200586 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:22AM (#12508881) Homepage
    With MS, the cure was often worse than the disease.

    "Often" is an overstatement. There were serveral incidents but given the number of patches they've released, your comment amounts to flamebait.
  • Re:hmmm... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by CaymanIslandCarpedie ( 868408 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:28AM (#12508927) Journal
    No. The real issue with IE wasn't the security that were found (this will ALWAYS be the case with ANY software), it was thier lax attitude about fixing the issues.

    FireFox right out of the box proved to be a pretty solid browser (they had the chance to learn lessons from those browsers that came before). And when an issue does come up the take it seriously and try to fix it promptly.

    I'd not only argue FireFox will never be IE (of a year or two ago), but I'd also bet IE (of today) will never be IE (of a year or two ago). XP SP2 had a lot of fixes and MS$ has been much more both pro-active and reactive about security (thanks to the kick in the pants from FireFox).

    Please put down your torches and pitch-forks ;-) I'm not saying IE is as good as FF, just saying MS$ has responded to the challenge and are doing better so I don't think any browser will be as lax as MS$ has been in the past.

    That is however one of the issues with MS$. They have soooo much going on, there are times when a product (IE) will be such a low priority these things can happen. Over the last few years MS$ has been working on high-priority tasks like (new VS.NET, new SQL Server, XP SP2, and Longhorn) just to name a few. With those big core company projects happening, IE kind of fell through the cracks since they felt un-touchable in the browser market. Luckily, FireFox came around and woke them up. If you use IE or not, for the good of everyone it is good to see they have woken up a bit and lets hope it never happens again!
  • by ricotest ( 807136 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:28AM (#12508929)
    Only on Slashdot would this ridiculously inappropriate metaphor be rated Insightful.
  • Re:hmmm... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by EggyToast ( 858951 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:33AM (#12508977) Homepage
    Nothing is more apparent as proof of Microsoft's "good enough" system than the fact that IE was stuck on version 6 with absolutely no sign of an update... until FireFox came out and started making waves. Now the IE7 news is all "Gates had to reform the IE development group..."

    Wait... IE is a major Windows app. Why was there no dedicated development group working on it as a matter of course?

    Oh yeah. MS stops important development on applications once they have no competition...

  • by EggyToast ( 858951 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:45AM (#12509105) Homepage
    Imagine a company making a CD-Burning program that spit out a coaster 50% of the time and garbled data, resulting in 20% corrupt files of the "good" 50% discs.

    Of course, there were settings you could change that would fix that. They were in Advanced>Settings>Options>Burning>Defaults>Input. You just had to uncheck "Always burn with error correction (may cause some discs to burn slower)" which simply fixed the garbled data, and "Always burn with high-precision laser" (so you don't get coasters). Checking those 2 boxes results in the application working perfectly every time.

    Would anyone use that? No! People would laugh it off and comment on just how stupid it is. Why IE gets a free pass for almost the same transgressions is beyond me. Oh, wait, no it isn't -- it's because people started using it years ago and are afraid of changing to something better because it's "different." "I've already got those boxes checked."

  • Re:Yes, but ... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by srleffler ( 721400 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:58AM (#12509229)
    Unfortunately, many users didn't go find Firefox once. They had someone more technically oriented install it for them.

    The fact that Firefox security updates don't automatically install unless you notice and click on that red arrow in the upper right corner pretty much guarantees that a large fraction of copies will remain unpatched. When I've visited people for whom I installed Firefox 1.0 when it came out, I've noticed that none of them have noticed the red update icon or updated Firefox on their own.

    If users have to go and get updates, many machines will remain vulnerable to security holes.

  • by daikokatana ( 845609 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @10:59AM (#12509236)
    I have broadband. If it's just one click, I don't care how much stuff it's downloading and executing.

    Apart from the fact that there are still a lot of people on dial-up, I think it can be considered bad practice to download stuff you already have (like 90% of the program you are trying to update or patch).

    I have broadband as well, but I'd rather save the extra bandwidth and used megabytes (yes, my connection has a limit) for something else.

    By the way - suppose this was an Oracle database where the installer would be several gigabytes, would you still download it again?

  • Re:news? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Omega697 ( 586982 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @11:05AM (#12509303)
    It's news because of all the media hype that the latest security holes had gotten. Plain and simple. It's only fair that if the media is going to shout "looky looky, it's got bugs too," that we get to shout "yeah, but watch how fast we fix them."
  • Re:Yes, but ... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by Ogive17 ( 691899 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @11:52AM (#12509749)
    I downloaded firefox as soon as it was "officially" released.

    Now I consider my knowledge of computers and software as advanced, but I'm definately not an expert. I found the interface to be less friendly than IE and trying to change options was a chore. Also, until 3 days ago, I didn't know how to automatically update Firefox until I saw someone mention clicking the red arrow on the top right portion of the window. Now, I had gone to mozilla.org and downloaded the latest versions on my own, but this was a hassle. And if "I" didn't know about the auto-update, my grandmother, parents, sister, brother, and a few friends I've turned to Firefox are not going to know either.

    Sometimes reading through /. posts, I am reminded of bleeding heart liberals or bible thumping conservatives with how people treat OSS to M$. People are annoyingly blinded by their dis-like for the other side that they cannot see the whole picture. Sure Firefox is great, but it's not perfect and IE still has some advantages.
  • Re:news? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by globalar ( 669767 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @12:02PM (#12509845) Homepage
    Most of the time, Firefox updates are not very important. However, the exploits which 1.04 fix were highly publicized.

    I saw many IT magazines, mostly targeted at management, with significant space (even a few covers) devoted to the exploit. It is an example of the Firefox (and Mozilla) team's committment that a patch came out so quickly. This is very important, as it shows open source products can compete in the very tough browser market.

    The progress of Firefox is now being watched by many - opponents and supporters alike. Firfox is under the spotlight and responding the serious issues - especially security, which has plagued IE - is crucial for the browser's future success. This is more about PR and brand recognition than security.
  • by That's Unpossible! ( 722232 ) * on Thursday May 12, 2005 @12:12PM (#12509965)
    Firefox - 38meg
    avengine - 22meg (antivirus)
    IExplore - 11 meg


    When speaking of stability and mem usage, it's not worth the hype.

    Ummm... right. Now count the memory usage of all the DLLs IE requires which are loaded into memory as part of Windows (after all, it is embedded). That 11MB does not include that. Once you factor that in, I'd wager it is much closer to the Firefox footprint.

    1.0 crashed and the mem usage became as issue

    And as for stability... I can't tell you the last time an official release of Firefox crashed on me. I find that most people with crashing issues have done something fucked up to their system.

    Just my opinion.

  • by daern ( 526012 ) on Thursday May 12, 2005 @01:04PM (#12510580)

    These issues were announced on Monday, and now a security release is available. This shows how professional the Mozilla Foundation has become and how serious they take security issues. Good work! Security problems will inevitably appear from time to time in all kinds of software, how these issues are handled is to me just as important as the software itself. Good job!

    Yes, yes, very good.

    Coming from a corporate background, however, I should point out that it's not enough that an update should be available quickly, but that the update should have been fully regression tested against all scenarios. If you ask Microsoft, it's this testing that invariably delays the releases of their patches and this is also one of the reasons why they've moved to the "patch Tuesday" model.

    Remember that if you have a potential DOS vulnerability (as an example) that is patched with a dodgy patch that kills the application, you'll have just succeeded in doing what hundreds of script kiddies try and do all day...but all by yourself :-)

    I'm not being an apologist for anyone, but do not underestimate the importance of testing and also the importance of knowing that a patch has been tested to the acceptance of Firefox in the wider corporate community, which has seen only small uptakes of Firefox to date...

  • by That's Unpossible! ( 722232 ) * on Thursday May 12, 2005 @06:15PM (#12514079)
    I loaded it up and went to Fark. It...well, it didn't crash, but it hung and I had to end the process.

    1. What version of Firefox?
    2. Any Firefox extensions installed?
    3. Did you start with a clean profile, or import an old one?
    4. Did you install Firefox into a clean directory, or was it into an existing directory?
    5. Are you running any network security software?
    6. Is your company using a firewall/filtering device on the network?

    And that is just preliminary questions regarding software/networking. Other things to check include motherboard firmware updates, memory tests, etc. Often programs will use the same areas of memory and you'll run into strange problems due to bad memory modules.

    The problem is not just some firefox stability issue, since I use it all the time and it is rock solid. This implies something is different about your system that is causing the instability, or it could be a bug rendering whatever page you were on that it hung on, but if this is a continual crashing problem, I am guessing the former.

    As for the memory, not five minutes ago I just had nothing open but the download window. Out of curiosity, I checked the mem usage on firefox.exe, to find that it was 69MB physical/81MB VM. That's just way, way too much, especially since it's just downloading one file.

    My primary response to this is, memory is cheap and abundant nowadays. However, it likely wasn't using 69MB of memory just to download a file. Presumably you had been browsing quite a bit before hand, and things are cached in memory.

    Like it or not, browsers are huge, complex programs that allow you to browse huge, complex data mines, and they require many resources. Just because IE hides its usage well doesn't mean anything.

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