Mapping the Internet Evolution 117
Shire writes "Science magazine is running a story on the DIMES project, which has ventured to map the structure and evolution of the Internet (PDF) using open source distributed clients in the style of SETI@Home and such. DIMES has already collected more than 40 Millions measurements which resulted in some nice pictures and several scientific presentations. Those who use traceroute may find it a useful (and colorful) alternative."
Rebel... (Score:5, Funny)
http://www.netdimes.org/ipmap.png [netdimes.org]
Re:Rebel... (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Rebel... (Score:3, Funny)
*shakes head*
Looks like Saturn (Score:1)
wow (Score:2)
mirror (Score:1)
Mirrodot has it (Score:5, Informative)
All the links mirrored.
Re:Mirrodot has it (Score:1)
Re:Mirrodot has it (Score:1)
Maybe there's a torrent somewhere?
Re:Mirrodot has it (Score:1)
incredible (Score:1)
Re:incredible (Score:1)
Perfectly illustrating the evolution of the Internet.
Re:incredible (Score:1)
In the current form, the resulting diagram is completely unsurprising: There are a few big backbones and a huge number of small outer pipes. Who would have guessed that?
In a much higher resolution, the graphs may actually tell some interesting facts. As they are now, they are simply eyecandy.
Re:incredible (Score:2)
Not necessarily. A much higher resolution picture of a forest would show an ant climbing a leaf. Scientists and engineers are usually interested in the model, not the details.
nice, but dim. (Score:2)
Seems.. (Score:1)
Slashdotted already.... (Score:5, Funny)
They might actually know a bit about the Intarweb. (Score:4, Insightful)
Sensible code and good bandwidth are the only way to fly.
then you weren't really slashdotted. (Score:2)
Comment removed (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Slashdotted already.... (Score:1)
Re:Slashdotted already.... (Score:1)
Re:Intelligent Design (Score:1)
Storm
p.s. I hear he's one of those EMACS users.
Re:Slashdotted already.... (Score:2)
Apparently. How can they propose to map the internet when they're only paying attention to a fraction of it?
Re:Slashdotted already.... (Score:2)
Yeah, those aren't biased results... [ /sarcasm ]
Re:unfortunatly.... (Score:1, Informative)
uh, Opera and Firefox. (Score:2)
Re:uh, Opera and Firefox. (Score:1)
(svg)
Opera 8 exactly, no plugins needed. Just tried my 7x version, won't work without plugin ... ;)
Browser + plugin don't count, only native support!
Re:svg (Score:2)
Re:svg (Score:1)
Internet Evolution poppycock (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Internet Evolution poppycock (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Internet Evolution poppycock (Score:4, Funny)
Re:Internet Evolution poppycock (Score:1)
It doesn't work unless you believe!!!
Re:Internet Evolution poppycock (Score:2)
Re:Internet Evolution poppycock (Score:4, Funny)
I think you just proved that Al Gore is God.
This is not good news.
Re:Internet Evolution poppycock (Score:3, Funny)
It was spontaneous evolution! Given enough time, anything that complicated c
Al Gore actually did help, afaik (Score:1)
What about the architect? (Score:1)
Mirror (Score:5, Informative)
More information about DIMES... (Score:3, Informative)
- http://dawn.cs.umbc.edu/INFOCOM2005/shavitt-sl.pd
- http://dawn.cs.umbc.edu/INFOCOM2005/shavitt-abs.p
Re:How utterly... (Score:5, Funny)
Both (Score:2)
Re:How utterly... (Score:2)
Mirrors (Score:2, Informative)
which brings us to our next topic... (Score:2, Funny)
Re:which brings us to our next topic... (Score:2)
Internet EVOLUTION??? (Score:5, Funny)
Re:Internet EVOLUTION??? (Score:1)
Re:Internet EVOLUTION??? (Score:2)
whatever happened to.. (Score:1)
Re:whatever happened to.. (Score:1)
Al Gore.
But what does it mean? (Score:1)
Re:But what does it mean? (Score:2)
Re:But what does it mean? (Score:5, Informative)
The lines represent the connections between these ASs. All the real connections arent there, the entire background would most likely be completely black if they were.
So it's showing that there are some really huge ISPs that form the "backbone" of the internet, and lots of smaller ISPs and thousands of even smaller ISPs. When you see a line that does not connect to/from the center, that's a connection between a tier-2 ISP to another tier-2 ISP. Usually this is done as a backup mechanism, sometimes it can also be done to more effectively get traffic to another network. For example, if UUNet charges you per byte, and they can get to anyone, you would think that you could just send all your traffic to UUnet. But you might find that a large percentage of your traffic is going to networks that are directly attached (peered) to Level3's network, and Level3 charges less per byte. It might make sense then to peer with Level3 in addition to UUNet, or completely with Level3. I'm leaving some stuff out here but this is the general idea, and what the picture is showing you.
Incidentally, there is also a concept in the internet backbone called "hot potato routing". If I am in LA with Sprint and sending traffic to NY to a UUnet customer, Sprint will do everything it can to put the traffic on UUNet's network while in LA. In otherwords, if this traffic is for a UUnet customer, it won't be sent across Sprint's network from LA to NY. Sprint drops it on UUNet's network at the first opportunity. The routing protocol for the backbone, BGP, has more than 10 different metrics it looks at to decide which route to take, and several rules to follow to decide what is the "best" path. Best is not always shortest or fastest once all the metrics are taken into account. So if you thought the internet was a big harmonious cooperative effort, guess again!
Re:But what does it mean? (Score:1)
Openview / Netview can make something close (Score:1)
They happened by accident, if you hit "auto-arange" with like 500+ nodes on the map. With 5,000 nodes, it turns into a two week project.
Re:Openview / Netview can make something close (Score:1)
Download link? (Score:2)
I wish... (Score:2)
Re:I wish... (Score:4, Funny)
It's simple. Your ship is the white blip in the center. You have to shoot your way out as the concentric rings rotate around you. I think it's based on Yars Revenge or something.
Re:I wish... (Score:1)
Not the first (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Not the first (Score:1)
Skittles (Score:4, Funny)
Does Zonk sleep? (Score:1, Offtopic)
According to my RSS feed, Zonk has put 16 stories up from 23:27 last night until 20:19 tonight, with the biggest gap being 3.5 hours! Does this guy never sleep? There's dedication and there's dedication....
Re:Does Zonk sleep? (Score:1)
Where's my real map? (Score:1)
Sure, they roughly show me some interesting looking stuff, but it's been done before, and isn't very useful at all.
What I really want to see is a map of the world, with all the internet links put on it so i can see how, for example, england is connected to america or mainland europe. I think i read somewhere that the UK had a 3 terabyte cable link to the rest of europe, and I t
Re:Where's my real map? (Score:1)
It's written in Java... (Score:1)
-Ben
My little internet mapping project (Score:4, Informative)
tr produces a "small" section of the Internet (it doesn't map the entire thing) but it produces it in a way that can be interpreted by anyone savvy in network administration. It's mostly based in NZ (as thats what I care about, and thats where I have contacts where people are happy to run tr nodes) but it does show how the NZ Internet works extremely well, and provides reasonable detail to the rest of the Internet.
Some interesting examples:
Microsoft: http://tr.meta.net.nz/output/2005-04-08_20:08_mic
Google: http://tr.meta.net.nz/output/2005-05-16_10:14_www
F root server anycast: http://tr.meta.net.nz/output/2005-05-16_10:16_f.r
Re:My little internet mapping project [OT] (Score:1)
here are some screenshots of the agent (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:here are some screenshots of the agent (Score:1)
kind of a big "you are here"
-- (posting from my freenet shell, as my Uni's proxy is banned)
vish
Oh, MOD PARENT UP (Score:1)
Yes, but... (Score:3, Interesting)
The answer is: it may work, after all is java based. But since it is bundled inside a Windows-only installer we may never know!
What's the point of writing a Java application, that's supposed to be cross-platform, if you bundle it inside a Windows-only installer!?!?!?
I looked at the site, to download the darn thing... but couldn't find an more OS agnostic installer, or package! Can anyone point me one?
Re:Yes, but... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Yes, but... (Score:1)
My Contribution (Score:1)
"The World's Biggest Secret Club."
For the most part, the only people who knew what it was were those who were connected. Yes, there was an expectation something like it would come to being at some time, most people still didn't know it existed.
BlameRoute (Score:2)
Been there, done that... (Score:2)
http://www.opte.org/ [opte.org]
This is the same guy featured on the DDOS story a while ago. What's interesting is that he is a philosophy graduate, rather than a CS student, and also that he built this map up in a day or two...
R.
Hey... (Score:2)
Hey Look! (Score:1)
Say "hello world", computer!
Project DIMES? (Score:1)
When my eyesight comes back.... (Score:2, Funny)