Plugin For Winamp Allows Downloading From iPod 398
slicenglide writes "A newly released plugin for Winamp allows you to copy music from your iPod to your computer. Wired has picked up the story and includes a link to the WinAmp plugin page where you can grab yourself a copy. "
Winamp? (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Winamp? (Score:2)
Re:Winamp? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Winamp? (Score:2)
Any ideas for us Windows users?
I doubt he's willing to convert to Linux just to use a different media player.
Wow, news to me (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:4, Interesting)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:5, Funny)
Because ITS MAED BY TEH APPAL!!!!1!one! Obviously anything that ITS MAED BY TEH APPAL!11one!!three! has to be the only thing in the entire world you should ever own. Even if it is overpriced, DRM crippled, uses a non-standard patent-encumbered format, requires software that only works on MacOS or Windows and is one big cross-promotional tie-in to an online music store that over-charges. It's ITS MAED BY TEH APPAL111oneone!!?seven! and that's all you need to know.
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:5, Funny)
Ipod wasn't really meant for those who understand DRM, vendor tie-down, or patent encumbered propietary formats. Its meant for joe-six-pack. However, once it became sooooo cool, even the
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:5, Insightful)
I don't believe that anything from Apple Computer is meant for "Joe Six-Pack". It's made for "Megan and Justin Portfolio" - the generic upper-middle-class arts-creative-type person. They have the money to pay the premium Apple price, the ability to best use the advanced design and interface character of Apple products, the distaste for technical details, and the subtle contempt for those who would feel the need or desire to skirt the restrictions imposed by Apple for the benefit of the product/company/community/class. They truly believe that bypassing DRM is bad because they feel that they are or more likely, someday will be making their well-heeled living off high priced 'intellectual property'.
The "Joe SixPack" type middle-class Chevy-truck Saturday-night-watching-wrestling-on-TV people are using their Walmart CD players for portable music needs. They wouldn't buy Apple products even if they were in the same price range, simply because their inherent social inferiority complex alienates them from image that is created by Apple's advertisements.
Blue Man Group (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:3, Interesting)
Pros and cons of an iPod:
First, an iPod has one of the best interfaces of any portable music player I've ever seen. However I think the most powerful aspect of the iPod is using
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
I have the cheapest iPod. I don't find happiness in goods. I needed one so it works under Linux ( gtkpod). Also this was the chepeast for the most ammount of storage. Also I don't take good care of my electronics so something th
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:4, Insightful)
So why do I have it? To listen to music. It works well. Previously, I purchased another mp3 player, only slightly cheaper, and had continuous problems with it. And even when it was working as intended, it was harder to use. The ipod is something like half the size and weight, easier to use, more reliable, and the support (which I used once) is vastly superior. Possibly the smoothest technical support experience I have ever had in my life.
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:3, Insightful)
Besides that, there are no real amazing things about it. But the click wheel was enough to sell me.
What bothers me, especially about the iPod, is the attitude people have of "I like this, so you and everyone should like it too!". If the iPod doesn't sit with you, don't buy it. And tell those people who tell you to buy one to shove it in a hole.
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:5, Funny)
You can take music off it (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:3, Funny)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:5, Informative)
The only gotchas are that the files are hidden, and the music's filenames are hashed for fast access from a metadata database. Thus when you copy the files back, you have to regenerate their names from their ID3 tags or the metadata database, as this winamp plugin does. You can do this as simply as dragging your music back into iTunes with the 'copy imported music' setting on, and there are plenty of other utilities that do it that have never gotten a
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
Three simple steps for adding new music to your iPod:
1: Import a CD or buy some songs in iTunes.
2: Plug in your iPod.
3: There's no step three.
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:3, Insightful)
See, that's the problem right there. You gotta have iTunes. Using Apple products really is easier if you use all the products they tell you to, when they tell you to use them. If you want to use anything else and it can quickly turn into a hassle.
This is simplicity in exactly the same way as "just us Internet Explorer and you wont have rendering or interopera
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:3, Insightful)
Or you could just reverse it and say:
MS makes the web server (IIS) the web development software (asp.net) the browser and the OS all these are run on.
Apple doesn't own or make the MP3 file format or any of the music that runs on their players.
I'm not actually suggesting this is a reasonable thing to say, but it is similar to your statement.
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
Yes, it is. Having less choices is simpler. For most people, that is great. When you want to do the most obvious thing; like select something with your mouse, it is intuitive. You don't have to learn anything. Your power user, rapidly pasting their text with their trusty middle button, might feel a bit constrained by the lack of options. Likewise with the design decisions around the Ipod. Sure, they were working in an
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:3, Insightful)
I just flat out dislike lock in. I have several different MP3 players in my house from several different manufactures. My daughter has an iPod and a previous generation no-name player. I have a Windows Smartphone and a PSP. Of all of them, the iPod is by far the biggest hassle to use because we just happened to be using different desktop music players before I bought the iPod.
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:3, Informative)
To be fair to the Ipod its just DRM'ed music you can't transfer off it, files and such can go both ways AFAIK although you do need the
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
Yeah ?, well I do count ogg vorbis which is why I won't be buying an Ipod unless they start supporting it.
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:3, Interesting)
It supports open, industry standards like OGG Vorbis. Also, the "DRM" is used by a wide number of vendors, giving me the choice of at least 8 on-line music stores to purchase or "lease" music from.
I simply plugged it into my Windows XP laptop and it worked--no software to install. Just press the "sync" button from Windows Media player 10.
Copying music off is as easy as copying music on.
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:5, Insightful)
As much as I support OGG Vorbis, and have nearly all my music on my iRiver, I think calling it "industry standard" is way off the mark. MP3 is by far the most widely supported format, and therefore closest to being a de facto standard. The only other competitor is WAV.
But does it support Speex? (Score:3, Interesting)
Once upon a time I might have bought a player with Vorbis support -- but my money's gotten tighter since then, so my requirements have gone up. Where's the dedicated hardware with Speex support?
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
My iPod is filled with my own ripped MP3's, and copy fine back and forth using iTunes (the program)
What is disallowed, and is now possible due to this plugin, is iTunes (the store) downloaded AAC music onto your iPod WHICH HAS DRM, was disallowed off.
Big news: DRM places restrictions on you. Winamp helps. Film at 11.
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
which version of Itunes/pod firmware?
I have the latest Itunes (tiger) and 2.1 firmware on my 3rd gen and I cannot copy from the ipod back to Itunes within the Itunes application. You have utils like podripper that will help you but the Itunes application doesn't support this (anymore)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2, Informative)
2) look on the disk (on Windows they're in a hidden directory) and copy all those shiny mp3 files off to a temp directory.
3) introduce them to iTunes and ask it to consolidate your library if you want the filenames to be sorted out.
This certainly works on Windows, so I'd be surprised if it doesn't work on OSX as well.
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
On this note... has someone figured out how to get fish:// urls supported on OSX(tiger)??
alternatly, has anyone been succesful in mounting their own "idisk" server?
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
Sounds like someone can't afford one (Score:2)
I have smart playlists set up as such, that always synchronize with the iPod every time I connect it to the 'puter:
1) A playlist that always has the latest 2gb of music I've added to my library
2) A playlist that con
Re:Wow, news to me (Score:2)
That isn't exactly true. I bought an album off of iTunes exactly one day before my hard drive gave up the ghost on my iMac and I hadn't yet copied it to my iBook, but it was on my iPod. When I got my new hard drive I just opened up a shell and copied /Volumes/iPod/iPod_Control/Music to my desktop and then did a Spotlight searcy for the album name. The exact num
Re:Plug-In Useless (Score:2)
Re:Plug-In Useless (Score:3, Informative)
Now I will keep my eye on Hymn and see if I can strip the drm from them straight.
Wrong - well, partly anyway (Score:5, Informative)
I think this plugin is more intended as a utility to allow people to use their iPods to carry mp3s between PCs without the rigmarole of zipping them into an archive.
Re:Wrong - well, partly anyway (Score:4, Informative)
There's really a sliding 'geek' scale that goes something like this:
0: doesn't care what they look like on disc, as going looking for the files directory is magic voodoo stuff.
1: annoyed that the filenames are munged up, making it useless for most purposes.
2: not that bothered, since they can work around it with the id3 tags. However, possibly irritated that they should have to anyway.
Re:Wrong - well, partly anyway (Score:3, Insightful)
Big Deal (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Big Deal (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Big Deal (Score:2)
Re:Big Deal (Score:4, Insightful)
Low-level mavens might be more comfortable with folder arrangements as they involve 'less magic'. But things that can be in more places than one at the same time are just not good things to run directly on folder structures, because they'd require maintenance. I guess playlists are doable via folders of aliases/shortcuts/symlinks, but anything more complicated than that is just not tenable - like smart playlists.
Re:Big Deal (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Big Deal (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Big Deal (Score:2, Funny)
um.. no... or there would have to be a rocket involved, not ?
Re:Big Deal (Score:2)
um.. no... or there would have to be a rocket involved, not ?
And perhaps some science too.
Re:Big Deal (Score:2, Funny)
Windows ME (Score:5, Funny)
No problems at all with Windows ME? It's a miricle!
Re:Windows ME (Score:2)
Actually, on a Windows box ... (Score:3, Informative)
Of course I didn't read the article, so there might be something to it ... but I suspect it's not that hard to get the files via a Linux installation. The only platform I have that I have had trouble pulling the files off of the iPod on is Mac.
Re:Actually, on a Windows box ... (Score:2)
The cp command works for me. Maybe I need to try something less obvious?
Re:Actually, on a Windows box ... (Score:2)
Copying songs from iPod on Mac OS X (Score:3, Informative)
# Change directory to the ipod music directory. (I'm not sure if iPod Control is the exact name I'm not on a mac at the moment, but it's similar.)
cd
# View the files on the iPod
ls
# Then copy whatever the files called.
cp name_of_file
No plugins, downloads, whatever required
Re: (Score:2, Funny)
Re:Copying songs from iPod on Mac OS X (Score:2)
now taking bets! (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:now taking bets! (Score:2)
Re:now taking bets! (Score:2)
Actually, Apples don't care much about the DRM, they just want to sell iPods, and tunes.
The ones who really cares are in the Phonographic industry, so what you really asking is:
When de RIAA will demand this to be fixed?
More importand, they'll demand Apple to fix it, or demand WinAmp to stop providing the plugin? Or both!?
Meh (Score:2, Informative)
I pity you fools and your shiny white shackles!
Re:Meh (Score:2)
Re:Meh (Score:2)
As it has been mention many times already, it is possible to do this without a plugin, it's just not completely obvious on how to do it.
Re:Meh (Score:2)
This is news? (Score:5, Informative)
Personally, I use foo_pod [hydrogenaudio.org], a plugin for the foobar2000 [foobar2000.org] audio player. It's quite powerful, including such features as automatic conversion of formats the iPod doesn't know (e.g. ogg or shorten) and automatic generation of audiobooks. For what it's worth - Wired seems to care - foobar and foo_pod are yet half as small than Winamp and that plugin is. Hah.
iPod just shows up as a USB drive (Score:2, Informative)
hmmm (Score:4, Funny)
You are going to make jesus cry.
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Bah (Score:5, Informative)
- Anapod Explorer [redchairsoftware.com]
- PodUtils [kennettnet.co.uk]
- GTKpod [sourceforge.net]
- GNUpod [gnu.org]
And rhythmbox, for example, offers nice integration of music management and iPod operability -- if that's what is supposed to have made this newsworthy.
Re:Bah (Score:3, Interesting)
Direct link to homepage (Score:5, Interesting)
We have many other features than just copy to hard drive, mlipod provides fully fledged iPod management. Go check it out!
Will - Lead dev for mlipod
Re:Direct link to homepage (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm glad there are more and more alternatives to iTunes, it's such a horrid program to use IMO.
Re:Direct link to homepage (Score:2)
iTunes however likes to move everything into its own special folder and organise the music by artist and album, which just doesn't work very well for me as the ID3 tags of my MP3s are eclectic to say the least thanks to the wildy varying submissions of people to the FreeDB.
So normal
Re:Direct link to homepage (Score:3, Informative)
Have you actually looked at the iTunes preferences?
Under "Advanced", uncheck "Copy files to iTunes Music folder when adding to library". Just like magic, iTunes no longer rearranges your music files!
Re:Direct link to homepage (Score:2)
Re:Direct link to homepage (Score:2, Informative)
Newly released? (Score:4, Informative)
FYI about shuffles (Score:3, Informative)
When Will They Learn? (Score:2, Interesting)
Lots of great programs... (Score:4, Informative)
http://sturm.t35.com/sharepod/ [t35.com]
There are also about a dozen alternatives here, on iPodlounge.com
http://www.ipodlounge.com/index.php/ipod-software
Kudos to the WinAmp guys for doing this though, I'll probably check it out to see how they did it.
Reality Check (Score:5, Informative)
1) any iPod, if initialized using Windows (meaning it's FAT32 formatted), is a standard USB Mass Storage Device that you can plug into any windows box that supports those and start using it as a removable HDD
2) nothing prevents you from downloading your DRM-free songs from your iPod using only Windows Explorer. However, iTunes arranges all music files in 32/64/128/256 (something like that) folders named 00 through FF (in hex). So your Metallica - St.Anger tracks would be scattered in some 10 folders or so... and it's not that easy to compile the whole album by hand. iPod uses its internal database to find files. All this winamp plugin provides is a convenient way to copy files from your iPod back to your hdd by parsing through this database file and renaming files using the template specified.
This also means that you can not simply copy mp3 folder to iPod and play them... you have to update the database. This is why you have to use iTunes (or this winamp plugin or similar util) to upload music to your iPod player.
Yes, it's stupid, compared to the way iRiver players handle files and folders.
3) I've been using this plugin for about a year now, this is hardly news. I recommend NOT to use it to upload files to your iPod, it once corrupted its database and I had to erase it and copy all the music again.
4) there is also a plugin for Total Commander (my shell of choice) that provides similar functionality:
http://www.totalcmd.net/plugring/ipod.html [totalcmd.net]
Re:Reality Check (Score:3, Funny)
Total Commander and Senuti could do this already. (Score:5, Interesting)
TC is all you really ever need, and can replace explorer quite effectively with loads of added bonuses.
I've also used a neat OS X util called Senuti (iTunes backward) to be able to copy from and to the iPod and do all sorts of other cool things.
(Next to zsh and vi, it's the cheese!)
Not new... (Score:2)
Here's the Win98 iPod USB driver [republika.pl] that I use to get it to talk to the Winamp plugin.
It's easy to get the songs off anyway... (Score:4, Informative)
The iPod's Music folder is hidden only in the Finder. On a Mac you can still get to it easily enough via the shell or an alternative file browser; go here:
If you want a nice GUI tool to do this, on Mac there is "iPod Access" and "iPodRip" (both shareware), and there is the free program "gtkpod", which I use on my Linux box at work to listen to my iPod songs.
Apple really doesn't lock you out of your iPod, which is one reason why I love it! Of course, mine's HFS+ formatted; is it hard to do this on Windows?
Re:fuck slashdot (Score:2, Funny)
I wish someone would be.
Re:Piracy tool? (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Piracy tool? - I'll bite the troll hook. (Score:2)
I don't have a portable music player now. I just copy my stuff to CD if I want to listen to it on my computer. It's annoying, but they
Re:Piracy tool? (Score:2)
Just because you can't envision a legal reason, must mean there isn't one, eh? Have you got a phone number or something I could call to get you to resolve all my other issues? Because you certainly seem to know wtf you're talking about.
Re:Ogg fails it (Score:3, Insightful)
The thing is though, right, who actually cares?
Re:Ogg fails it (Score:2)
*SIGH* How quickly people forget... (Score:4, Interesting)
I've already mentioned this before, and it looks like I'm going to have to mention it again. It was not Apple's original idea to "prevent" music uploading from MP3 players, but it was the natural result of two factors:
Apple's continued "hiding" of the song files from the rest of the file system is simply legal cover to defend themselves from the RIAA. Do you really think Apple could have gotten the Music Store off the ground if the iPod more openly supported uploading?