Eastern Ink Painting on a Computer 154
Roland Piquepaille writes "Traditional Oriental ink painting is more easily done with real brushes than with a computer program because you need to model how the ink is flowing into an absorbent surface such as paper. In this brief article, Technology Research News writes that "researchers from the Hong Kong University of Science and Technology have developed a brush-and-ink-style paint program, dubbed MoXi, that uses a model of pigment particles in water flowing into paper." These virtual Chinese brushes simulate in real time the ink dispersion and could be available on your PC within two years. This longer overview contains more details and references. It also includes pictures generated with MoXi. Finally, it looks at a potential trademark problem over the name MoXi."
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Any company with "Tycho, vicious house cat"... (Score:2)
Difficult to paint comfortably with a pad or mouse (Score:2)
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[Disclosure -- I'm the author. That's my dissertation research].
The work Chu and Tan have done to put MoXi together looks very nice. I'll definitely be checking out their paper session at SIGGRAPH.
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Ill advertise this cool greasemonkey script again for those who always feel dirty after they land on primidi.com : De-Piquepaille Slashdot [daishar.com]
How about a passive-agressive protest, where this script is extended to not only ignore the story, but automatically post an "I've boycotted this Roland Piquepaille advert"
Sorry, no, thats being a tad stupid. Its just been SUCH a boring news day...
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And if he really does do a good writeup, then more power to him.
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Thats a great explanation, except for no. People do not like Roland for the following reasons :
A) his website
B) his website
C) his website
Check the article he submitted.. particularly, the "This longer overview" link. Guess where it goes? Why, his own website/blog chock full of hit ads, ads, and even more ads to generate "hit" revenue from slashdot. You even going to his site just made that douchebag some money, and the guy is capitalizing off of submitting stories to slashdot.
What if you ran a small news site that came up with a steady stream of stories, and some guy plagerises 100% of it, mirrors it on his own site and collects all of the advertisement revenue that supposed to keep YOUR site alive? Wouldn't you be a little pissed off? Yeah, I would too. Welcome to what he's been doing on slashdot for quite some time.
Get your facts straight before you come to these conclusions about all the "roland haters", k? Thanks.
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Uh, then my response would be to go after him under the applicable copyright laws and make him stop copying my stories, not to go flooding slashdot with posts about it.
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You know what he's doing, and why everyone is complaining about it, yet you seem perfectly happy with it. People flood the slash with anti-roland comments to get a message out - a good majority of people here don't want some asshole money off of doing things in bad taste.
I'd also like to see how successful someone would be trying to go after him for
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I may be wrong, but I believe that France is a signatory to the Berne convention, and so broadly speaking shares common copyright laws with the US. You most certainly can go after him, if you think it's worth it.
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No explanation, nothing.
That's what I hate - that our queries and rants are falling on deaf, uncaring ears. No, most of us don't subscribe, but this site would be nothing more than a curiousity without the comments; I think the readership is owed the explanation it asks for.
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Here you go. I use this Photoshop Sumi filter (Score:1, Informative)
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obligatory Soviet Russia (Score:2, Funny)
Roland Piquepaille Watch Alert (Score:5, Insightful)
Is there any Slashdotter with a number of accepted submissions that comes close to Roland's??
I smell something fishy going on here...
It must be your feet.... (Score:1, Informative)
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OTOH, prostoalex has 31 fans, and only 1 freak... Sounds like someone needs to take lessons.
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And anyway, stop complaining, at least it's not a dupe. (or is it? i haven't checked
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Set your proxy to block his site.
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My 2c.
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There's no question that he's getting special treatment with the amount of accepted submissions he gets, but nepotism and cronyism has been around since the beginning of time. I doubt it's any more sinister than Piquepaille
Greasemonkey , sic' em boy ! (Score:2)
Now here's a De-Piquepaille [daishar.com] script for everyone to use it happily.
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What's Next...? (Score:4, Insightful)
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What would you build out of virtual clay? (Score:2, Funny)
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Re:Calligraphy (Score:2)
For character based languages this is everything... The art of the language is about "drawing" the words not just typing them in a word processor.. the characters ARE the art.
...any bets? (Score:4, Interesting)
Still, the other part of the prize is the user interface. After all, the pressure of the brush plays an important role in all of that. I have seen programs where the speed of the brush movement helps to simulate the pressure of the brush but it's not natural enough.
I hope the need is important enough to justify the work done in this case.
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As for the "Sumi-e" filter - it's just a filter, no comparison for seeing ink come out of your brush and interact with the paper and existing areas of wetness.
As has been pointed out, Corel Painter is a much
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http://developers.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=15
HJ
Patent Issues? (Score:5, Insightful)
Of course, Microsoft now owns what's left of Fractal Design Expression. Their recent beta release indicates that they intend to release it to the public again, but they don't appear to know what to do with it other than try and imitate photoshop. The file extension even remains the same .xpr But of course we all know that Microsoft is very open to competition and will only use its patent portfolio as a last resort to compete with others. ;-)
Personally, I was generally more impressed with Fractal Designs technology than I ever was with their apps. They had frustrating user interfaces that made it difficult to use unless you had a pressure sensitive tablet and a very fast machine. I certainly hope the MoXi makers succeed (we can always use good graphics tools) but I see some difficulties if their goal is really in marketing this tech just as a ultra-cool paint program.
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Besides Fractal Design, there are a whole lot of other patents which they'll have to dodge such as " 6,906,70 Electronic module for sensing pen motion" (Microsoft 2001), " 6,801,211 Computer painting system with passive paint brush stylus" (Forsline et al 2001), " Brush stroke palette feedback method for automatic digital \"painting\" effects" ( Silverbrook 1998), "5,432,896 Watercolor simulation in computer graphics " (AXA 1991), and "5,155,813 Computer apparatus for brush styled writing" (Wang Labs 1991)
You're looking for Painter, not Expression (Score:3, Informative)
Fractal Design's Painter and Expression were later marketed under the MetaCreations brand. They dissolved and put their products up for sale.
Expression was bought up by Creature House, which Microsoft bought.
Painter, however, was bought up by Corel; http://www.corel.com/painterix/home/index.html [corel.com]
Painter has the tech that's much more like what's being referred to in the article.
Expression is much more a vector brush strokes/etc. thingy which is quite cool.. and v3 is avail
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My mention of Photoshop wasn't meant to imply that Expression had a similar purpose, but was intended as a description of the few GUI changes that Microsoft changed with Expression (e.g. Photoshop-like layers).
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From what I remember (having used Painter since ~'97)
Fractal Design Painter was v1-3
MetaCreations Painter 4
Corel Painter 5
ProCreate Painter 6
Corel Painter 7-present.
Input Devices (Score:4, Interesting)
Something in a the form of a force feedback pen would be amazing. One that you could set the resistance and the smooth/roughness of the surface you wish to emulate. If one already exists I would love to get some info.
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A direct-to-digital emulation of this would have some distinct advantages, however. Not the least of which is an "undo" capability. I'm a clumsy inker, which means I have to do a lot of digital removal of my mistakes after scanning (at least it's better than white-out) and more than occasionally have to throw an illustration out and start over.
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Recent styluses... (Score:2)
With the intuous 2 and intuous 3, the pens come with fiber tips that have far more friction with the tablet surface -- much better than the old style although they do gradually wear down.
Incidentally, if you are using an older Wacom, I really recommend the intuous 3. I think they lost their way a bit with the design of the intuous 2 generation, but the 3 brings it all right back home -- small form, incredibly sturdy feel, even _more_ accuracy, far better pen, and the thumb pads on the edges of the tablet
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Moxy! (Score:2)
I don't think theres any trademark issues to be had with a softdrink company, but lawsuits have been had over less. I'd rather have this new Moxi anyway.
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Trademark confusion Moxie vs. Moxi (Score:2)
So can you tell Moxie the soda from ink? If you spill it on pa
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Cassidy Curtis's CG watercolors (Score:3, Interesting)
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Recently I had reason to reimplement steve strassman's 'hairy brush' master's
thesis from 1986, in the course of which I created this test applet.
http://www.flong.com/brush/ [flong.com]
Citations: Hairy Brushes - Strassman (ResearchIndex)
Steve Strassman, Hairy Brushes, ACM SIGGRAPH, Vol 20, No 4 (1986).
Steve Strassmann. Hairy brushes. In Proceedings of the 13th annual conference on
sherry.ifi.unizh.ch/ [slashdot.org]
My nomination for today's stupidest quote: (Score:3, Insightful)
Uh, duh, so are you saying that now that someone has come up with a solution, we won't have to use messy brushes and ink anymore?
I think what you're trying to say is that previously computer programs have had problems modelling the physics of "ink painting," and now someone has come up with a better mathematical model.
"Easy" is not the operative word here--"realistic" is.
By the way, if you're going to host a technology review site, why don't you enter the 21st century and stop calling it "Oriental"? Traditional Chinese painting is one thing, Japan has more than one style of ink painting and then there's Korea, etc. etc. People "in the know" call the area "East Asia."
Ew (Score:3, Interesting)
I realize that this is two years away from a release, but I really hope they introduce some major changes into their algorithm there, because so far they are not even competing for realism with products currently on the market...
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Although some anti-aliasing would be in order, you'd be surprized how crisp edges are on any wet medium. In fact, often the pigment is drawn to the edges of the blots, creating a dark outline. In college I had to draw with markers (before 3D rendering you would marker render), any time you used the clear blender
If this doesn't sound like... (Score:5, Interesting)
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Introducing art.... (Score:1)
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Fascinating (Score:2)
Just Block Roland (Score:1)
OK, I know I shouldn't have to say this, but if the majority of people here would just block Roland's website, he wouldn't get many hits on his website. Just add an entry into your HOSTS file, as such:
Eastern? (Score:1)
Interesting, but not new (Score:3, Interesting)
I suspect that's why people have been saying "hey, that seems a lot like [insert drawing program here]" - this is a (somewhat) new twist on old techniques. (Which, of course, is why it's a one-page submission to the conference, rather than a 10-pager like the original "Computer-Generated Watercolor". Not that there's anything wrong with that.)
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Prior art (Score:2, Informative)
The paper that started things off was "Hairy Brushes" by Steve Strassmann at Siggraph '86. I haven't seen this paper in a long time and I can't find it online.
One oft cited work, perhaps the first to
Easter Egg Painting? (Score:1)
Where's the Wacom Tablet input value for spirit? (Score:2)
Microphotography
God bless computers (Score:1)
I have continually hoped that digital media manages to give the tools required to begin a new digital renaissance of art which manages to shake art to its core the way that 3D perspective did back in the 15th-18th centuries; unfortunately I know enough about art to know that a
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I also agree about the "Oriental" thing. That words is quite outdated; it has been used to mean pretty much anything in Asia, and lacks specificity; it tends to be used by people who think China, Japan, Korea, etc. all have one culture.
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