IE7 Bugs and Reviews 851
An anonymous reader wrote to mention a Register article in which the possibility is raised of the current build dumping Yahoo and Google toolbars. At the same time, GWBasic writes "I've posted a review on IE 7 Beta 1. It is very clear that, unlike when Microsoft targeted Netscape, they are using their classic method of producing superior software by catering to the needs of the user. This is not IE 6 with a few features borrowed from the competition, but rather a clear step in the evolution of user-centric design." Flexbeta and ZDNet have looks at the new browser as well.
Acid Test (Score:5, Informative)
From TFA:OK...so IE7 fails the acid test...just like IE6. Are there any browsers out there (other than that patched-up Safari version) that have actually passed the Acid Test? Any of them available for use?
Not ditching google and yahoo toolbar support ! (Score:5, Informative)
Re:"evolution of user-centric design"? (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Looks like firefox (Score:1, Informative)
Yup, and Firefox is just a poor imitation of Opera.
Microsoft is slowly losing around here (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Man that Rocks (Score:5, Informative)
You want IE7? Use Safari or Firefox.
Re:Does it support W3C standards? (Score:5, Informative)
Totally inaccurate introduction (Score:5, Informative)
I'm sorry but that is about as wrong as it can be. Every single "new" feature mentioned in the article is already present in every other browser that I know of as a built-in feature or an add-on. This refresh of IE is clearly borrowed from the competition. Unless IE7 includes more changes than what was mentioned in the article, it will still be behind the day it comes out in Vista/Longhorn.
Re:Does it support W3C standards? (Score:5, Informative)
So IE7 will continue holding us back.
Re:Looks like firefox (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.microsoft.com/windows/ie/previous/weba
Re:Classic method? (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Does it support W3C standards? (Score:3, Informative)
I hear this every time someone mentions web standards. The fact is that "Joe User" is not as stupid as we imagine, he just has other things on his plate, but he still wants all his web apps to work.
Re:Oh for god sake.... (Score:5, Informative)
Waiting for the final release and then saying "this feature sucks" will, quite rightly, be met with the response, "Why didn't you try out the betas and tell us about it at that time?"
Re:What a terrible "review" (Score:5, Informative)
Yes, it is obviously a fanboy generated screed. I would like to see a real review of the browser by real web content developers who know about real UI design and what areas current browsers need improvement on. Wait there are a few reactions:
A reaction by Molly Holzschlag of thewebstandards.org [webstandards.org], a reviewby Dave Shea [mezzoblue.com] of (CSS Zen Garden fame), or a review/reaction list on well known designer Shaun Inmans blog [shauninman.com]. But leave it to slashdot to link to some MS fanboy just to get a rise out of the flamthrower league.
Re:Wow (Score:2, Informative)
The dropdown menu for the forward button works for both.
Re:I liked Internet Explorer 7 the first time... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:I liked Internet Explorer 7 the first time... (Score:2, Informative)
Is there nothing that Opera did not invent first? Oh yes, most of those things listed... because they all appeared in various browsers (many of them IE derivatives) before Opera.
No more talking from Opera zealots please... you're almost as bad as Gentoo zealots.
Re:I liked Internet Explorer 7 the first time... (Score:5, Informative)
Re:"evolution of user-centric design"? (Score:3, Informative)
Manage Add Ons IS IN IE 6! (Score:5, Informative)
Am I the only one that's ever done: Tools -> Internet Options -> Programs Tab -> Manage Add Ons Button in IE6?
Even their evolutionary stuff has already been done, by them! The screens look exactly the same in IE6 as 7.
Re:I liked Internet Explorer 7 the first time... (Score:5, Informative)
I'm not sure when they'll be available for public consumption, but the compliant Konqueror should be released with KDE 3.5.
In some ways it's inferior to IE5 and IE6... (Score:3, Informative)
Also, moving the tab bar away from the window makes it harder to immediately identify which tab you're on.
Merged stop-and-reload is just plain daft. The only current browser I know that does this is Safari, and it's the biggest reason I use Shiira instead of Safari on Mac OS X. Is Microsoft copyng Apple's bad ideas again, like when they released the first version of Windows with cooperative multitasking despite having concurrent multitasking working first?
Both these problems can be avoided by using the HTML control from another application, as you can see by the screen-shot of Crazy Browser.
Merging the drop-downs into a single button is visually confusing and doesn't save any space. Putting some of your navigation controls on the opposite side of the address bar is also confusing.
All in all, I'd say the user interface is significantly less consistent and more confusing than IE5 or IE6. This is almost a step back to the early days of the web when browsers seemed to be in a contest to see which could be weirder.
PS: The search bar is just a copy of the search bar on every other browser out there, except the "select search engine" button is on the other side.
PPS: Microsoft can't avoid the reboot when it installs IE, because it's replacing a component that it's using all over the system... they need to kill and restart every GUI program on the system to move the old control out of the way.
Why the menu is below the tabs (Score:3, Informative)
To you or me, being able to use the menu at any time is a feature. To MS, however, it's a bug - it gives control to the user, which is basically anathema to the whole concept of a leveraged monopoly.
My analysis may be a little paranoid, I'll admit.
Re:I'm not a usability expert but... (Score:3, Informative)
Of course, I couldn't stand the new colors and had to change the appearance to windows clasic. I'm not sure if I'll be able to use longhorn if it doesn't come with sane color themes or a "clasic" mode.
Re:I'm not a usability expert but... (Score:1, Informative)
Re:I liked Internet Explorer 7 the first time... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Another web developer here... (Score:3, Informative)
Says only Alpha Channels have been added.
CSS, HTML and JavaScript affect me more than PNG, but that's just me.
Copycat of Firefox also in memory footprint? (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I liked Internet Explorer 7 the first time... (Score:3, Informative)
Correction:
6. (copied from Safari, which copied it from Opera) 2 In 1 Cancel/Refresh button.
Re:I liked Internet Explorer 7 the first time... (Score:4, Informative)
Tools/Options/Tabbed Browsing/Tab Focus/Select Load Middle-clicked URLs in New Tabs. FF 1.0.6
Official IE team's blog post on the toolbar topic (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Morons (Score:2, Informative)
Re:I liked Internet Explorer 7 the first time... (Score:2, Informative)
Re:With proper Slipstreaming and OPK..... (Score:3, Informative)
Slipstreaming and OPK have a place in a company with very many PC's. But getting your GF's laptop going is not one of them.
The parent post is quite clear, He turns on his GF's new laptop.
I know of what he's talking about because I have the same experience at the small company I work for. Even after buying a computer with SP2 installed, there's a truckload of MS updates requiring reboots. Followed by more Symantec updates requiring reboots.
Before firing off a quick dismissal, please remember there's a whole world of users outside your immediate circle that can and likely do have very different experiences than yours.
Re:I liked Internet Explorer 7 the first time... (Score:2, Informative)
OK, my Aunt Tillie can't be expected to know about this sort of thing. I can be a bit sympathetic there. But Aunt Tillie (or anyone else, for that matter) should be able to recognize that there are dangers to using things tools they don't understand. There's only so much you can do to defend these people from themselves. It's largely a difficult and thankless job. In fact, it's worse than thankless--it often gets you the tin-foil hat label. I've had that happen to me, professionally. It's unpleasant, adds to difficulites in getting other security measures implemented, etc. Now, I only do it when it's very specifically part of my charter.
In other words, I'm a security guy, and not being paid to worry about that at the moment.
On the other hand, this is beta software. Given the hue and cry about the rumors related to Microsoft buying Claria, covered in
http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/06/30/13
and
http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/07/11/0
and many more 'mainstream' media sites (Ziff-Davis properties, etc.) I think M$ could be expected to make some major guarantees that the information wouldn't be retained, much less used in any form, before this became a production release. Anything else would be an epic PR disaster. And if they lied about it, one whistle-blower would be an even *worse* PR disaster. Hard to see what's worse than 'epic' but I'm confident that it would be.
Cheers,
VENONA
Re:I liked Internet Explorer 7 the first time... (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Something borrowed, nothing new (Score:2, Informative)
Um, el wrongo. It was in Firefox first.