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Windows Vista To Come In 7 Flavors 815

Dionne writes "Microsoft is really milking it with this one: According to an Ars Technica report, there will be 7 versions of Windows Vista: Starter Edition, Home Basic Edition, Home Premium Edition, Professional Edition, Small Business Edition, Enterprise Edition, and Ultimate Edition." From the article: "Windows Vista Ultimate Edition is a superset of both Vista Home Premium and Vista Pro Edition, so it includes all of the features of both of those product versions, plus adds Game Performance Tweaker with integrated gaming experiences, a Podcast creation utility (under consideration, may be cut from product), and online "Club" services (exclusive access to music, movies, services and preferred customer care) and other offerings (also under consideration, may be cut from product)."
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Windows Vista To Come In 7 Flavors

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  • 'Ultimate' Edition (Score:5, Interesting)

    by gunpowda ( 825571 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @08:51AM (#13530906)
    It doesn't really sound like the so-called Ultimate Edition has that much extra to offer.

    What are the odds that you'll be able to 'upgrade' from one version to the other by changing one registry key? [theregister.co.uk]

  • by caluml ( 551744 ) <slashdot@spamgoe ... minus herbivore> on Sunday September 11, 2005 @09:01AM (#13530964) Homepage
    Good lord. What a lot of nonsense that looks like. I wonder why they haven't taken it to extremes and have "Windows Webserver", "Windows Fileserver", "Windows Domain Controller", etc versions. Surely Workstation, Server, and maybe Advanced Server (for clustering, load-balancing, etc) are the only versions really needed. All the rest are so they can gouge a few more pounds/dollars/euros/yen out of the users.
    Still - I'm not worried - it looks like England will win the Test, and I run Linux, so all is well.
  • by D4C5CE ( 578304 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @09:03AM (#13530973)
    there will be 7 versions of Windows Vista: Starter Edition, Home Basic Edition, Home Premium Edition, Professional Edition, Small Business Edition, Enterprise Edition, and Ultimate Edition.
    ROTFL! You couldn't even make these things up... The new worry for purchasing managers seems to become "how not to get fired for picking the wrong flavor of Windows." Makes you think twice about telling your company to stay on Windows in the first place...
    Remember there was a company that had an ad [man.ac.uk] complaining how Linux came in too many "mutations" (the basis of evolution BTW)?
  • just wondering... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by akhomerun ( 893103 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @09:03AM (#13530975)
    does ANYONE think this is a good idea? i mean, some things that /. readers can't tolerate, the typical american consumer doesn't care about. but seriously, is there a single person in the entire world who thinks this is a step forewards? is there going to be a single gamer, grandma, IT guy, programmer, homework-doer, or first-time computer buyer who actually thinks this is a good idea? why wouldn't microsoft want to make things more simple for the consumer. the ipod + itunes combo is an outstanding example of how simplicity, reliability, and having a complete system can win over consumers even if the device is overpriced at times, and if other MP3 players have more features.
  • by N8F8 ( 4562 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @09:09AM (#13530990)
    The only version that will matter is the version that vendors like Dell, HP and IBM install. All the rest will be niche.

    As a side note, I installed SuSe 10.0 RC1 yesterday on a brand new Dell Latitude D810 and had everything but the NVidia driver working in short order. Slight problem with the firmware binary package for the Centrino WLAN card not being installed, but other than that pretty smooth. I tried SUPER SuSe first and though it had the same WLAN problem it was faster than hell. Much more responsive. Would be nice to be able to search through packages available on the install CD, post install. Also, the wrong kernel-sources packages was included with the RC1 version. I posted the few bugs I noticed.

    Look out Microsoft. New Linux distros are at about the Windows 2000 level of ease of use and catching up quickly.
  • Oh, I get it... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 11, 2005 @09:12AM (#13531001)
    So, Small Business Edition is like Mac OS X, Enterprise Edition is like OS X Server, Ultimate Edition is like OS X with a free subscription to iTunes and a few other things, and Starter Edition is like going back to Mac OS 9.

    That leaves the Home Editions. Hmmm... OS X before you install the developers tools?
  • hell yes. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by imag0 ( 605684 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @09:13AM (#13531003) Homepage
    I've been sitting here this evening getting some scripts setup to auto-export IIS website configurations (which I then export out to a Linux box with some PHP and MySql goodness makes a searchable database for all the websites we do shared hosting with).

    There's eight different servers (a test bed), just about all of them have to be treated in some special way (iis5 exports stuff differently than iis6, forcing me to write my parser *twice* to make things work right.

    Even better, sometimes different service packs change things around in undocumented ways, forcing me to once again re-write individual scripts to take that into account.

    Eight boxes, two versions of Microsoft operating systems, two service packs and I have five(!) different scripts to handle it all and make it work.

    Where Do You Want To Go Today, indeed.
  • by CyricZ ( 887944 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @09:14AM (#13531004)
    It looks like your pro-Windows site runs on Linux.

    http://uptime.netcraft.net/up/graph?site=www.winvi stasecrets.com&probe=1 [netcraft.net]

    Is Windows, be it Windows 2000 Server or Windows 2003 Server, unable to cope with the minor loads your site receives?

  • Obvious (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Tango42 ( 662363 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @09:40AM (#13531094)
    It's obvious why they've done it. Now whenever someone complains that windows in too expensive they can say "But we've got cheap version if you want them", so they can charge much more for the better version, knowing perfectly well that nobody will ever actually use Starter Edition, even if it is half the price.

    3 applications? That that include background utilities like virus scanner and firewall? What about IM? So I have AVG, Zonealarm and Trillian running (did I pick the right ones? those are the current choices on /., yes?), so i can't run anything else, not even a browser.
  • by Sancho ( 17056 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @09:49AM (#13531142) Homepage
    That's absurd. Should PalmOS be hosted on a PalmOS server?

    We use the operating system that is the best for the job. I use Windows at home for some things. My notebook (which goes with me just about everywhere, including work) runs Linux. Maybe this guy just doesn't think that Windows is that hot for servers, but is more than capable as a workstation? Life isn't black and white, you know.
  • by Lord_Dweomer ( 648696 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @10:20AM (#13531292) Homepage
    What are the odds that they're going to clamp down on license verification ridiculously for Ultimate? I have no doubt it will be hacked, but I'll bet this thing phones home if you so much as take a crap, and once they find out you're using an improperly upgraded version, they'll have the ability to turn off your features remotely I'm sure.

  • Google OS (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 11, 2005 @11:21AM (#13531629)
    i am waiting for Google OS.
  • Over here.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by chord.wav ( 599850 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @12:26PM (#13532016) Journal
    In Argentina, most PCs come with one flavor of Linux installed with an XP theme by default.

    Most of users who don't know nothing of OSes, buy it thinking it is XP and they realize that once they already bought them.

    I'm not sure if this is good or bad, more like a Shing Yang.

    PC vendors lower their costs that way, but they don't inform the user about the OS installed.

    Users realize they don't have XP when they try to do something that they used to, or when they try to download MSN. Then, the general line of thinking is "I can't get anything done with Linux, Linux suck" and they get a pirated copy of XP.

    Back to the topic, it's clear that MS don't want to let Linux reach the user. They will encourage PC vendors to sell the Vista version that only boots on odd days and let's you hit the start button once per session. That way they get ahead with this problem.
    Linux has a chance NOW. Linux is actually reaching the user NOW, but fails to demonstrate that it is actually good for the common tasks that the user does.

    I'm not saying that something can't be done with Linux. The problem is that the user simply doesn't realize that yet and they get rid of Linux before they have a chance to do so.
  • Re:Too many targets (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Liam Slider ( 908600 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @12:32PM (#13532065)
    The lack of a usable standard to develop toward. When distributing a program, you have to support many distributions. That means multiple package formats, different file paths, different configuration file formats (init scripts being the worst, if your program is a daemon), different libraries bundled, different desktop types and ways to make your program visible, etc.

    You know, I actually remember back when home computers were new....and actually called home computers (or, sometimes, microcomputers). Back then every computer brand was utterly different, different OS, different base language, often a different processor. It was chaos and it was glorious. There were a massive amount of computer systems to choose from, from extremely light, low end, cheap systems like the Timex-Sinclair 1000, to the mid-range C-64, to the expensive IBM PC. All were different. All had a wealth of software avaliable for them. Developers wrote software for their chosen machines, their chosen OS, but often they wrote completely different versions of the same software for multiple types of machines (Visicalc was a good example of this). Nobody complained to my knowledge.

    Too many people have grown up in a monopolist, monoculture society, they think computing has to be that way and always has been.

    As for the different distributions of Linux....yes, they are different distributions of Linux, but they are not really different "distributions" of the same OS. Essentially they are different operating systems, each built around GNU and the Linux kernel. Do we call OS X a "distribution" of BSD? No, not really, it's a unique OS qith it's own quirks, and it's own top layer, and it's customised. Linux distros are no different. Most take GNU and the Linux kernel, and add a top layer of their own. That top layer may itelf be just mildly customised versions of the "standard" along with a few custom libraries and integrated applications (Mandriva, SuSE, etc...) or it may be more radical (GNUStep). Sometimes, they are even proprietary (Linspire). And they all usually customise the kernel to suit their needs, so between them even the kernel is different. They are all different competing operating systems, based around the same standards and low level components, rather than different "versions" of the same OS. For that, you need to look at the different versions within the same distro.

  • Re:They left out.. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by yesteraeon ( 872571 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @12:37PM (#13532090)

    From TFA:

    One final note worth mentioning is that this strategy does remove the "corporate Windows XP" option from the hands of pirates. Volume licensing for Pro, SBE, and EE may still mean that there will be copies of Windows Vista out there that don't "call home" for Windows Product Activation, but as you can see, Microsoft has removed most of the features that most pirates would want from those OSes. You won't see corporate licensing versions of Ultimate Edition.

    So, no volume licences for versions with all the fancy multimedia bells and whistles (HDTV, DVD authoring, DVD ripping, etc). They seem to figure potential pirates would want these features and businesses will not. Though speaking as someone who has worked in a school's IT department I can say there's at least one environment that may well want features like that but still has enough installs to do to make per machine activiation impractical.

  • Release 2 (Score:1, Interesting)

    by lanced ( 795958 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @12:48PM (#13532164)
    I'm waiting for release 2. Then I'll upgrade to Vista. Just like all other windows editions, I'm sure it will be pretty well useless until then. Think about it: 95-R2, 98-SE, 2k-SP2, Millenium... nevermind. Plus, I've got to give MS credit for the Acronym stuff here. When the do release the second ed of Vista professional, you can upgrade to Vista Pro Ed R2 (ViPER2). But until then, whe have ViBE and VUE. But they still have room to learn. I am working as a defense contractor. The military KNOWS acronyms. The typical military man can't speak two consecutive sentences withuout any acronyms. I've been in conversations where there were no nouns ever used.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 11, 2005 @01:04PM (#13532266)
    Wow. So much for being inept at telling something is definately broke with your hardware (or it's some ECS made shit or such).

    I've isntalled XP hundreds and hundreds of times (53 THOUSAND copies are deployed at work too), and it doesn't ever BSOD, if it's not for bad RAM (test with memtest86+) or shitty drivers for truly ghetto hardware (which I don't even get to see once a year).

    Our previous OS (2k) hardly ever BSOD'ed either - most often it was either bad RAM or a loose power cable on a HD (inaccessible_boot_device BSOD).

    So you ARE just trolling. How surprising!
  • Sorry, but not true. (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Kiyooka ( 738862 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @03:20PM (#13532990)
    I just bought my first laptop in Taiwan. It's an Acer Aspire 5502WXCi. It came with Windows Home Edition in Chinese, so I popped in my Windows XP Pro in English that I use for my desktop and installed it. Everything detected. Up and running as usual. But I left an extra 20 Gb to try out linux. This is my experience so far:

    Suse: The default installation hanged (sorry, don't remember what point). But I remember you could hit a button (I think F2) for an options menu. I remember the choices there were highly technical, which is to be expected of course since I'm starting to dink around. But I randomly guessed fer-the-helluvit and because I had no idea what I was doing (and I already consider myself slightly more knowledgeable than most computer users--at least I have a certificate in Comp Sci from SFU!) Anyway, I chose Custom (I think it was), and that's when excitement finally happened: it started blitzing through hardware detection, and my joy was great indeed. Then, it gave an error message, and I was booted to a linux prompt (bash I think it's called?). All I knew what to do was type -ls (yes, laugh, I'm a total linux noob). So I did. After doing that four or five times more, the novelty was gone and I tried to go online and find out what to do (there's got to be something wrong). I found out I'm supposed to type 'StartX' or something like that. I tried it, but it said there was something wrong with my video mode (wasn't supported, it explicitly said). So I
    quit and tried the recently discussed Freespire edition of Linspire.

    My Freespire installation seemed to go smoothly until I was presented with a login and password scenario. I thought maybe I had downloaded the wrong thing. As determined as I was, I went online to checkout what to do, and was taught I was supposed to enter "root" and login and something else as password (don't remember anymore). To be honest, I don't remember what happened after that, but it was enough to make me give up.

    To be honest, I may have mixed the 2 problems up above because I don't remember exactly which errors happened to which (I know, just a week ago). The entire testing period was just a time of frustration for me. I even tried to get some of the basics online, and was baffled to be told that, while windows letters the drives, linux makes primary, secondary, etc. drives with names like '/hdav1" and "/ndev4" or some gibberish (to me) like that. And the counting would skip numbers sometimes, I believe?

    The problem with your assertion is that linux is only easy to install if you're already familiar with it. But perhaps EASY TO USE should be defined to mean EASY TO LEARN HOW TO USE. Under this definition, I'm sorry my friend, but linux is therefore not easy to use.

    Oh yeah, I forgot to mention that I had to do basic research about which distros to use ("DON'T use Debian, it's not for noobs like you!", "omg installations a breeze: just make and mount drives, or make and compile, etc." -- um.. what is this "mount" thing you speak of? "how the hell do I compile an operating system itself?" etc.)

    Oh yeah. For those who still give a shit, I also tried Debian, just becuase I remember reading that notebooks are not supported very well, and since Debian is supposed to be the pro's choice and the most tweakable, I figured it might have the mighty powers to save me. It might, but I'll maybe never be able to find out. It'd take me weeks just to learn everything in the introductory pages. Mother of god, like I don't already have enough stuff to read (MA in English). I guess it'd be ok if that was your passion and hobby (playing with computers is a minor passion and hobby for me), but for most people, I doubt they'd even bother googling for basic help the moment something went wrong.
  • os-tan (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 11, 2005 @03:31PM (#13533042)
    well at least the guy that does OS-tan [wikipedia.org] has his work cut out for him.
  • by TetryonX ( 830121 ) on Sunday September 11, 2005 @05:52PM (#13533668)
    My laptop (Sager NP4750) has a nasty history with windows, from BSoDs related to ntfs.sys, acpi.sys, and other issues. Reason being? Not hardware.

    NTFS: Windows happened to manage to fuckup its MFTs on its own and couldn't repair the problem. I had to transfer all my files to another computer and then reformat/restore the setup (using a WinPE) again because the shitty chkdsk couldn't/didn't work.

    ACPI: Windows didn't like how long my ACPIEC was taking to respond so it would occationally BSoD. This was not a hardware issue, downgrading my bios version corrected this issue.

    These two problems *** WERE NOT PROBLEMS IN ANY OTHER OPERATING SYSTEM ***, only microsoft.

    I've done plenty of hardware probing on my system and all devices report that they are working properly.

    Your bullshit comment about 99% of hardware instability caused by those reasons are NOT true. Only people who tweak their systems will get oc issues. Faulty memory sometimes is the cause, but is NOT the main problem. Overheating? Bullshit. Most systems aren't ricer systems. They often run well under max-specs for temp and yet they become problematic ONLY UNDER WINDOWS.

    Please find me an official windows cd that can run most of anyone's hardware without any 3rd party drivers installed.

    With me:
    Windows: 12 nonfunctional devices.
    Linux: 1 nonfunctional device (webcam).

    Don't even bother saying "Well, it's cause your distro of linux is newer than windows xp", maybe it is, but with all the patching that windows has, there is no excuse for the lack of default hardware support.

    Take your bitching somewhere else. Just because you didn't have problems with windows doesn't mean that everyone else is in the same boat as you are.

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