Does Visual Studio Rot the Brain?

duffbeer703 writes "As a UNIX guy dragged kicking and screaming into the Windows world, I've never really been able to enjoy Windows programming. Charles Petzold, who is a long-time developer for DOS & Windows really laid out the reasons for me at the NYC .NET Dev group. Visual Studio and Microsoft tools force you to adopt programming techniques designed around implementation speed, not understanding or quality."

Perhaps

[Anonymous Coward]

Visual Studio may rot the brain, but that's better than the testicle-rot I get from an average linux install. Don't get me started on the rectal cancer I contracted by using BSD...

Help!

[ArchieBunker]

Help I did type Y work for years and now I'm doing type X. Things are different and I don't understand, why!

Say what?

[187807]

From TFS:
...Microsoft tools force you...

Microsoft? FORCE? No way!

Indeed it does!

[fyrie]

I'm a C# coder who uses Visual Studio 2003 8 hours a day during the week. I recently got an MRI and the results were unanimous - TEH BRAIN ROT!

Re:Does it? Not sure. But from experience I can sa

[rackhamh]

Why, in case the martians attack and take out all our strategic IDE reserves?

Re:Microsoft DEVELOPER tools are good

[deinol]

I'm sure I'll get modded down for supporting them

This is Slashdot. You would have been modded down for supporting them, but you always get mod points for pointing out that you would be modded down.

Now I'm going to be modded down for not being very funny.

Finish the fucking story

[heinousjay]

I have been programming pretty steadily for about 30 years now, and only once have I seen a computer fail in a way I'd classify as "interesting."

I really wanted to hear the end of this...

Overgeneralization

[bwalling]

All articles like this overgeneralize.

Re:yes, it does rot your brain, or at least habits

[robertjw]

I tried to turn him on to coding, but he went out and got Visual Studio, and went off on his own. He came back and proudly demonstrated his various creations.

Shoulda started with Perl. Everyone knows Perl is the best language for learning quality programming skills.

Re:who's fault is that?

[scorpioX]

TRS-80 and a TV? Lucky you! In my day, we had to write the equivalent of Hello World, by entering the binary code via the Altair's switches. 6 hours later (because you would inevitably screw up and have to start from the beginning) the panel lights would flash "Hello World" in Morse Code. And we had to walk through 10 miles of snow to get to the computer - barefoot!

Re:who's fault is that?

[morcego]

You had binary code ? Lucky you.

When I was a kid, I had to write the Hello World program using only 0's.

Re:who's fault is that?

[TWX]

You had electricity?! In my day, we had to plumb the pipes and fill the mercury to appropriate levels, and once we had our "program" written we had to sit there and pedal the bicycle fast enough and long enough to run the darn thing! If you messed up, you were stuck re-soldering and detoxifying from exposure to mercury.

Re:who's fault is that?

[Matthaeus]

You had mercury and pipes?

In my day, we had to create a religion that induced the masses to spend millions of man-hours moving stones just to get a working calendar!

What we have here, ladies and gentlemen...

[OwP_Fabricated]

Is a troll. Can anyone tell me what he did wrong though?

So far I count a distinct lack of insults towards nmb's parents, and not a single reference to his sexuality.

Creation of the loop structure...

[Ursus Maximus]

Earth? Cool? Lucky, lucky you, weren't you the spoiled brat? Back in the day, I had to envision a billion Buddhas within a billion Buddhas within a billion Buddhas, all on top of a turtle's back just to get a big bang and some actual space time with matter...

Rot the brain?

[Transcendent]

Writing C code in vi will rot the brain... or make it stronger.

In either case, something drastic is going to happen. Tread lightly.

Re:Microsoft DEVELOPER tools are good

[ThousandStars]

Are you going to claim that a mechanic who uses the computer in your car to tell him you have a bad sparkplug is a bad mechanic? Or are you going to be quietly grateful that he was able to fix your problem for $50 in 1/2 an hour instead of the old school "hard core" method of slowly replacing part after part until you figure out which was the broken one, which costs you lots of time and money?

Since this is /., I'm going to denounce anyone who buys pre-made cars instead of smelting and molding the steel themselves. Let's face it, those who don't design and implement the whole engine and drivetrain, on a lathe, by hand, are girly men at best. Furthermore, if you ever did use a mechanic, I'm going to question your worth as a human being and mock your nickname. In this case, I'll observe that the parent is named "captain craptacular," which hardly inspires confidence.

Re: who's fault is that?

[Z34107]

You realize a faster version of your program would be:

for(;;) printf("Fuck You");

'Cuz, ya see, your compiler might otherwise generate code to compare 1 with true, whereas the empty for header has no such overhead. Y'see, that's 'cuz IntelliSense is is GOD.

Re:who's fault is that?

[DJCater]

I had to get up in morning at ten o'clock at night, 'alf-hour before I went to bed. Eat a lump of cold poison, work twenty-nine hours a day down 't mill, and pay 't mill owner for permission to come to work, and when we got home, our Dad would kill us, and dance about on our graves singing "Hallelujah."

--
MP

Re:who's fault is that?

[rocjoe71]

You had alphabet to spell "Hello World"? Lucky you!

I banged two rocks together and cousin Ugg just "got it".

Re:who's fault is that?

[Precambrian-C]

Damn, but that was brilliant. Thanks. And I already burned all my moddies on another thread. Damn!

Re:who's fault is that?

[Enrico Pulatzo]

Still better than using Exchange server...

Re:who's fault is that?

[Anonymous Coward]

Oh yeah? Back in my day we would go outside in freezing weather and write "Hello World" with our own piss into the snow.

Re:C complications

[I Like Pudding]

I was both poking fun at the parent and using my reply as a vehicle for Perl one-line obfuscatory hotness. Please to be grounding yourself contextually in future endeavors, effendi.

Re:who's fault is that?

[Wavicle]

One of the things I hate about C (and especially C++) is its ability to be non-C-like. Take a valid C implementation of your program for example:

#define RAND ((double)rand()/2147483647)
#define DO for(;;){
#define LOOP }
#define PRINT(a) printf(a);
#define IF if
#define ELSE else
#define START {
#define END }
 
main() START
  int X;
 
  DO
  X = RAND * 1000;
  IF ( X == 1 )
  PRINT(".")
  ELSE PRINT(" ")
  LOOP
END

(in case you're wondering, gcc compiles that just fine)

Re:Creation of the loop structure...

[I Like Pudding]

So, reality is just a continuation of Buddhas? Or, wait, no, Buddha is the continuation!

*ascends into the light*

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[X] When I was a kid, I used a Apple II and Apple Basic.
[X] Apple? Lucky you. When I was a kid, we had to do this in binary.
[X] Binary? When *I* was a kid, we had to do it with only 0's.

Re:who's fault is that?

[doublebackslash]

You had heavy elements?

Wimp.

Re:Microsoft DEVELOPER tools are good

[tooth]

These aren't the droids you're looking for.

Re:Apples and Oranges

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm an Emacs and Vim kind of guy

Emacs AND Vim? Isn't that like mixing matter and anti-matter?