Want to read Slashdot from your mobile device? Point it at m.slashdot.org and keep reading!

 



Forgot your password?
typodupeerror
×
Communications Businesses Government Politics

Australian Do Not Call Register 252

green-e writes "Looks like us Aussies are finally introducing a national 'Do Not Call' register. Under the plan all telemarketers would be banned from calling homes after 8pm on weekdays and 5pm on weekends. Companies that call a household on the register could face fines of up to $220,000 (AU), which could be legislated early next year. About time something like this should be set up. How effective has it been in the US ?"
This discussion has been archived. No new comments can be posted.

Australian Do Not Call Register

Comments Filter:
  • by frovingslosh ( 582462 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @04:52AM (#13913426)
    How effective has it been in the US ?

    It has been pretty effective. Telemarketing calls were coming in hot and heavy right up to the last day, then stopped completely the day the ban went into effect. (Our ban is complete, not just an after-hours ban, as long as there is no business ralationship with the caller.) But since then a few telemarketers have figured thay can get away with breaking the law as long as they keep a low profile. I now get perhaps a call a month that is in clear violation of the law. I report these to my state's Atournet General office, but I've never heard of anything being done about them and over all we have only heard of one or two sucessful prosecutions they have done against anyone breaking this law. So it has helped a lot, but it's not perfect and I would like to see even more teeth in it.

  • In Sweden (Score:4, Informative)

    by gagge ( 808932 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @04:54AM (#13913431)
    We've had this in Sweden for some years, a register called "NIX" (which means something like "nope").
    I think it works pretty well but not 100%. It's really easy to sign up, just call a number, enter your home phone number and confirm.
  • Works in the UK too (Score:5, Informative)

    by irw ( 204684 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @04:58AM (#13913442)
    Nobody asked, but...

    I stayed off the do not call list in the UK ("telephone preference service") for a while, used to average one call per day. Im not getting any since joining, though it took a month or two to settle down.

    Like the US, it's a complete ban unless they already have a business relationship with you.
  • by irw ( 204684 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @05:03AM (#13913460)
    It's called the telephone preference service [tpsonline.org.uk]
  • Already got it! (Score:2, Informative)

    by gefafwysp ( 707762 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @05:04AM (#13913465)
    We've had it for years; it's the Telephone Preference Service [tpsonline.org.uk] and you can sign up online.
  • Re:Telemarketers? (Score:3, Informative)

    by strider44 ( 650833 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @05:07AM (#13913479)
    It depends where you live. I moved down from the Blue Mountains, where we got almost no telemarketers (occasionally charities that our family has donated to would ring up, a great thank you from them definitely) to South Sydney where it's a huge hassle with telemarketers ringing every day!
  • Re:Exceptions (Score:4, Informative)

    by novakreo ( 598689 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @05:26AM (#13913518) Homepage

    From TFA: Market research companies, pollsters, charities and religious organisations are likely to be exempted.

    Market research companies and charities would have to be the worst offenders of the lot. If they are exempted the government may as well not bother.

  • Re:$220000? (Score:5, Informative)

    by benk ( 93688 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @05:32AM (#13913540)
    It's likely that the fine is expressed in "Penalty Units", the value of which is currently $110. (see http://www.austlii.edu.au/au/legis/cth/consol_act/ ca191482/s4aa.html [austlii.edu.au])

    The theory is that Parliament just sets a penalty for each statutory contravention in Penalty Units according to its perceived seriousness, and can update them all automatically eg to account for inflation by amending a single section of a single piece of legislation (the Crimes Act) rather than every section imposing a penalty (which would be a nightmare). It's quite elegant for the legal profession.

    It's likely that there will be a maximum penalty of 2000 Penalty Units for the contravention, which today = $220k, and in future may rise.

    What's interesting is that some Acts I have dealt impose penalties in the range of 1 to 30 Penalty Units, so this is quite a big fine, relatively speaking. disclaimer - i'm a lawyer but i'm not your lawyer and this is not legal advice. don't rely on it!

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 31, 2005 @05:39AM (#13913553)
    The article isn't well written and I think the poster has mis-interpreted it. The way I read it, all tele-marketing calls (whether you are on the do-not-call list or not) are banned outsite of the hours stated. I would assume that if you register to be on the list, tele-marketers would be prohibited from calling at anytime. At least, that makes more sense to me.
  • Re:US telemarkets UK (Score:2, Informative)

    by plaxion ( 98397 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @06:19AM (#13913646)
    That's why I've learned to say hello once and only once and then hang up after a there's been a pause that's longer than a second or two. If it was a human on the other end calling me they would have starting speaking by that time, so it's safe to say that I was dialed by one of those auto-dialers. If I ever get it wrong and it was someone I know, they would just call right back (and hopefully be quicker on the uptake), but that's yet to happen. The machines OTOH, conventiently just go on to the next number on their list.
  • Re:Interesting ... (Score:3, Informative)

    by MichaelSmith ( 789609 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @06:21AM (#13913651) Homepage Journal
    Else you can only be called during the day.

    My wife works from home, and she gets a lot of these calls during the day. I suppose the point is that large companies only have the reception desk listed in the book, so they get the junk calls. Small businesses get the full brunt of it.

    Perhaps it is worse to get these calls at night, but it is pretty bad getting them during the day.

    ironic that the US flag is under the Slashdot whilst talking about Australia.

    Perhaps they should have an Australia icon under the politics category.

  • by cohomology ( 111648 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @06:53AM (#13913750) Homepage
    For the past 10 years, I've gotten *at most* two telemarketing calls per year. How did I do it? I once made a "credible threat to sue" AT&T Wireless. There's an industry wide list of people like me, and they don't call us.

    I learned the technique from a colleague familiar with the industry. First, know your legal rights. Second, keep a hand-written log of occasions when you have asked to be added to the no-call list of a telemarketing firm. Be careful to have them spell out the name of the firm and the city they operate out of. Then wait for them to make a mistake. If they call you again, after the six month grace period the law allows them to update their paperwork, you've got it made.

    Don't shout or be nasty; just read them the log and indicate that you are aware of your legal rights and are interested in collecting the statutory damages. They asked me to "please call this special number to be removed ... " but I just said that I wasn't going to lift a finger to help them. Remember, if it went to court, the case would be decided on "the preponderance of the evidence," and a corporation has no choice but to pay for legal council at trial - they can't represent themselves. Everything is on your side, so they just add you to the list.

    Enjoy.

  • by Centurix ( 249778 ) <centurixNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Monday October 31, 2005 @07:20AM (#13913832) Homepage
    OK, I'm a number cruncher for a medium size telemarketing firm in Brisbane. This is actually very good news for the telemarketing industry as a whole because it enables us to reduce the 'dead call' rate for our existing list. We purchase list information for the whole of Australia, over 20 million numbers, including mobile phone numbers and faxes. It costs us over $10,000 a month to use this list from our providers, it is a small cost compared to our takings each month from just selling things over the phone.

    We have to factor a dead call rate into our lists, and from that we can calculate fairly accurately how many sales we'll make for each area we target. If we can remove the people who will not buy from us off our list it means we save the flagfall for a phone call and also the postage for our mailouts. If you use a standard postage and ff cost per person it comes in at around 70 cents. When you mail out to 8,000 people a day it adds up very quickly. Plus you have to cost in hourly rate for a telemarketer and mailroom person.

    Right now, we have an internal do not call list which we value very highly. If we lost that list we would waste thousands every week on phone calls alone.

    One thing we do get is a discount from our list providers when we feed information back to them every month. We send back address changes, primary contact number chages, head of household, primary cheque signer and rough income per household. Presently they do not request do not contacts from their list consumers, I would imagine when we receive the list from the ADMA we'll start feeding them back again.
  • 700 000 employees (Score:2, Informative)

    by tomw576 ( 902251 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @08:51AM (#13914156)
    It says there are 700 000 people employed by the telemarketing industry. We have about 20 million people in Australia, that's around one in 30 people... No wonder I get so many calls.
  • The easy way (Score:2, Informative)

    by jasgo ( 679531 ) on Monday October 31, 2005 @11:45AM (#13915321)
    Everyone complains about Telemarketing calls. Thing is, my home gets exactly zero. Ever.

    Why? We've got an unlisted phone number. By paying Telstra whatever it is for the privilege of not having our number in the phone book (go figure) we don't appear in any telemarketers databases, so no annoying phone calls.

    Of course we still get calls at work. We've just set up a special asterisk extension which plays some lovely "hold music" from artists such as Hanson until they hang up. "Can you hold please? I'll just put you on to the person who handles purchasing."

You knew the job was dangerous when you took it, Fred. -- Superchicken

Working...