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Google DVRs and TV Advertising 254

Ray writes "Google may be creating their own branded digital television DVR / satellite service. A DVR that lets you "Log In" with your Google Account before you begin your television watching would allow Google to serve up relevant ads based on: the program you are watching, your search history, the type of emails you have received in the past 24 hours (excluding spam hopefully), or anything else Google can track. Imagine the possibilities... You are watching Google Satellite TV through your "internet ready" Google DVR."
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Google DVRs and TV Advertising

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  • I'm sorry (Score:1, Insightful)

    by $RANDOMLUSER ( 804576 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:05PM (#13923806)
    I think the Google cookie is pretty evil. There's no chance I'm going to let Google track my viewing habits too.
  • by ajdowntown ( 91738 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:05PM (#13923811) Homepage
    Is this the sort of thing where you need like a google media device in between the satellite and your tv? If not, how long before Google decides on putting one of those out?
  • by iainl ( 136759 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:05PM (#13923812)
    Why would being served even targetted adverts over my recordings be preferable to the current solution of no adverts at all?

    This is a solution in search of a problem, surely?
  • DRM (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Cyberglich ( 525256 ) * on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:07PM (#13923826)
    The main problem with any profesionaly made DVR these days they have to load the sucker with DRM to keep from getting sued (ala Replay TV). MythTv is slowing getting to the point when a non-linux person will be able to buy a prepackaged hardware set and then load from a bittorrted iso all there software updates and it will be superior.
  • by Orasis ( 23315 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:08PM (#13923849)
    No way is Google going to spend the capital to do their own satellite system or the licensing fees to use someone elses. They'll be doing it over broadband to a hard drive within the Set Top Box.

    If they want this thing to be cost effective for HD, they should use Swarmstreaming [swarmcast.net].
  • "May be" creating? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by generic-man ( 33649 ) * on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:09PM (#13923858) Homepage Journal
    This article is pure speculation based on a domain name (googledvr.com) that Google doesn't even own! The article says that Google "might buy the domain" from its owner should Google want to start a DVR service. TiVo is becoming marginalized and plans to make its money from advertising technology-sharing agreements with cable companies [google.com] and patent [tivo.com] licensing.

    The article even mentions "GBrowser," which as we all know is Google's Master Plan to unseat the most popular web browser in the world, bar none [zdnet.co.uk].

    Google also owns googleporn.com. Can we have an article about how they're about to put every porn site out of business?
  • by goldspider ( 445116 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:09PM (#13923860) Homepage
    "...would allow Google to serve up relevant ads based on: the program you are watching, your search history, the type of emails you have received in the past 24 hours (excluding spam hopefully), or anything else Google can track. Imagine the possibilities..."

    I am, and I'm not terribly thrilled with them.

    Is the typical Slashdotter concerned with the sheer volume of information that is being collected about people by a single corporation? I'm afraid I'm not going to shed my skepticism just because Google claims to "do no evil".
  • by G4from128k ( 686170 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:10PM (#13923872)
    I wonder how NBC will feel if their online nightly news broadcast [msn.com] gets wrapped with Google ads (especially if the DVR lets one skip ads in the video)?

    I sure some content creators will sign deals with Google, but many content distributors will have a knee-jerk anti-Google reaction because this makes Google a direct competitor (e.g., another company distributing ad-supported content).

  • Great (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Kohath ( 38547 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:11PM (#13923879)
    If they can give me targetted ads, they can give me targetted TV shows. More shows I like, available when I want to see them. All to get me to watch ads that are for stuff I might actually want to buy. Sounds good.
  • Trust (Score:3, Insightful)

    by segedunum ( 883035 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:14PM (#13923910)
    I would never trust Microsoft in a million years to do anything like that, and I don't trust Google either.
  • Mod parent up (Score:5, Insightful)

    by count0 ( 28810 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:14PM (#13923915)
    Calling the article pure speculation is generous - it's making an outrageous claim to drive traffic to ZDnet...
  • by /ASCII ( 86998 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:20PM (#13923969) Homepage
    Time for a reality check, I think. Googles honeymoon is over, Slashdot is lambasting them.
  • Re:I'm sorry (Score:3, Insightful)

    by garcia ( 6573 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:30PM (#13924064)
    Hey, if you enjoy paying for the communication medium, the content, and then a PVR on top of all of that, so be it. Me? I want a PVR that eliminates advertising completely as that's why I purchased one.

    If I didn't have a DirecTivo I wouldn't have my Tivo anymore either. I told them repeatedly that I would drop them like a rock if they started showing me ads on top of the ads I was skipping while I was paying $14/mo to eliminate ads.

    YMMV.
  • Re:Agreed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Damek ( 515688 ) <adam&damek,org> on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:34PM (#13924088) Homepage
    Indeed, isn't the *point* of a DVR to get rid of ads?

    No, to most people DVR is about time-shifting shows, not removing ads. Removing ads is a bonus, but most people are going to have DVR straight from their cable company, and the only "ad removal" feature is the VCR-style fast-forward.

    DVR is about removing the old problem of "Oh, I'd like to watch that, but it's not on now."

    The next step is removing the problem of "Oh, I'd like to watch that, but I didn't record it."

    Whether that's pay-per-show or "free" with ads, people aren't going to care much. It's going to depend on the choice of the channel (or content provider).

    Oh, and you're going to pay for the intermediary pipe that delivers the content, too.

    The future is the same as the present: pay the provider for their cost in producing the content (via ads or direct purchase/subscription), plus pay the distributor for the cost of delivering the content to you. The fundamentals will not change, though the procedures and details involved may shift to the internet.
  • by joshstaiger ( 213677 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:34PM (#13924091) Homepage
    Sure, it's not something you want currently, but right now your free lunch is due to the fact that a relatively small portion of the public bypasses ads using a dvr.

    Who pays for the programming when everyone uses a dvr?

    This could be a solution for "free" TV over the long term.
  • You clown (Score:5, Insightful)

    by voice_of_all_reason ( 926702 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:37PM (#13924107)
    That's how tv started out. That's how radio started out. Eventually, you get offered a "better" serivce (cable, sirius in the above instances) with no ads. Then the ads come back. Rinse, repeat. Eventually google will start charging, and offer ad-free for a fee, but it's more of the same shit.
  • by ZachPruckowski ( 918562 ) <zachary.pruckowski@gmail.com> on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:54PM (#13924260)
    It doesn't sound like Google to work as a personal DVR. I think it seems more likely that they will get a copy of every TV show they can find, and let you view them over a streaming connection. that way, you can see it as often as you want, but only when you're connected to Google, so there isn't a "permanent ownership" issue we get from a DVR, so we avoid the broadcast flag.

    And then people wouldn't be so mad about ads, since the idea would be time-shifting. "wait, I get to watch pretty much any tv show whenever I want? Ads, meh, I'll browse in another window when ads are on"
  • by rtphokie ( 518490 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @12:55PM (#13924264)
    We seem to be getting a new "Google May Be" every week. Google must be busy working on their

    DVR, OS, nationwide WiFi, Office, Wallet, Auctions, AOL, satellite, and the list goes on.

  • by QuestorTapes ( 663783 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @01:17PM (#13924448)
    > How is this going to be abused?

    Why does something have to be "abuse" before we have the right to complain about it, or refuse it? A society doesn't function well if too many people go out of the way to piss people off and their entire defense is "I'm not touching you, I'm just waving my finger 1/4 inch from your face"

    You can object to annoying as well as abusive.

    > They'll show ads to me based on my interests

    No, they won't show -anyone- ads based on their interests. They'll show people ads based on their advertiser's needs, adjusted for their perception of your interests.

      - If you're interested in something that no one pays google to advertise, you won't see an ad for it.
      - If you're not interested in something someone pays google a -lot- to advertise, you'll probably see it anyway.
      - If google incorrectly estimates your interest in things, they'll show you things you aren't interested in.

    This is tricky; just because you ask a question about something, or someone emails you about something, there is no reason to believe that this is an interest of yours. I work on a lot of things that require me to search on subjects I have -zero- personal interest in. I shudder to think about the kind of ads that would get served up to me.

    All of this assumes a direct relationship between what I search on and what I'm interested in possibly purchasing. That assumption is untested and I feel it's largely invalid.

    Suppose I search for information about Wimbley cars so I can show my sister what a piece of crap the 2006 Wimbley is. Suddenly I'm inundated with ads for the new Wimbley.

    > Wal-mart decides to stock shelves with things that are
    > relevant to my area's purchase history - so if I go
    > into a Wal-mart, it's more likely to carry something
    > I intend to buy.

    Assuming you are typical of the people in your area. If you aren't, Wal-Mart loses your business, and due to the fact that they are looking at a limited and inherently biased subset of data *, they don't correct for error.

    * using purchasing habits requires them to have the product first in order to detect that people have an interest. If everyone wants the new Whizmo Cranfraz, but Wal-Mart doesn't carry it, Wal-Mart doesn't see that everyone wants it. In brick-and-mortar, this is detected by examining other vendor's sales or asking questions. In the net arena, this often goes undetected.

    Also, vendors tend to make assumptions based on close matches. They assume that if you buy a John Doe brand Doohickey for $N, you'll be fine with them dropping the John Doe brand in favor of the Richard Roe, for $N-10 dollars, or for the Jane Doe brand Thingamajig, because the Thingamajig does -almost- the same thing as the Doohickey.

    All you have to do is look at the remaindered Personal Organizers, MP3 players, and copies of Lotus Ami Pro in the $3 junk bin to see the fallacy with that. Not everything is an interchangable commodity item.

    I've worked in retail and wholesale, and I've seen just how -badly- this kind of thing is normally done. Most businesses can get a 2000% improvement in identifying customer needs by scrapping the crap customer tracking technology and having sales people talk to the customers. For every one person you identify as being interested in product A, you have 25 people come in, look for product B, and leave without talking to the manager or a salesperson when they couldn't find product B or a salesperson to help them.

    Sorry for the heat; as you can see, this is an area that bugs me; better advertising is no substitute for customer service.

    > It's smart business - a hell of a lot smarter than
    > blindly throwing ads out there hoping they'll be used.

    It's smarter; it's only "a hell of a lot smarter" if they do it "a hell of a lot better" than most people who try this kind of thing.

    > In fact, I'd argue that the Internet is more relevant
    > because businesses can see the value in it. Many of
    > us wouldn't have jobs if there weren't such potential.

    Just don't forget that many folks here -don't- have jobs, in part because of half-planned attempts by businesses to leverage the net's potential value.

  • Re:I'm sorry (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Belial6 ( 794905 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @01:20PM (#13924469)
    Yes, but you are paying to skip those commercials. Both in the cost of the DVR, and in the cost of the cable/Sat service. If Google Actually gave away the service, many people would be ok with the commercials. I'm paying ~$75 a month for TV. Thats not counting the ~1000 I spent on the DVRs. If I could cut out that $75 a month fee, I might consider turning off the Commercial Advance. I would consider it even more if they would reduce the commercial time from 15 minutes out of the hour to something more like 5. Given that the ads would be targeted, they should be able to get 3 times more revenue per ad than what regular TV offers.
  • No kidding... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by cbiltcliffe ( 186293 ) on Tuesday November 01, 2005 @01:46PM (#13924707) Homepage Journal
    As much as I think Google is a cool company, I fail to see how this is a good thing, while doubleclick's tracking cookies are evil.

    And make no mistake....doubleclick's tracking cookies are definitely evil. Along with hitbox, valueclick, linkexchange, adsmart, adbureau, adtech, linksynergy, focalink, avenuea, mediaplex, ....shall I go on?

    How can targetted advertising from these companies be evil, while targetted advertising from Google results in the phrase: "Imagine the possibilities..."?

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