GORM 1.0 Release to Take on GNOME/KDE? 451
qa'lth writes "Today marks the occasion of the release of Gorm 1.0, the Interface Builder for the GNUstep project, and with its release, comes the obsolesence of the GNOME and KDE projects. Finally, today, Free Software users can enjoy the power of a well-designed, powerful object-oriented system derived from OpenStep, legacy to the acclaimed MacOSX, through GNUstep, our loving reimplementation of the OpenStep standard."
Half a marketing jobbie (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!! (Score:3, Interesting)
open step vs cocoa (Score:4, Interesting)
The third and final thing is the appearance. GNUstep will never be popular looking thw way it does now. The default look looks too much like 1994 and unfortunately, many people will judge it based on that.
OSX + linux cross platform development would be a HUGE boost to linux.
The rumors of KDE/Gnome's demise.. (Score:3, Interesting)
Why waste time trying to make my desktop work and act like Windows(tm)(r)(C)(and possible 666) when all I really want is to get my work done without all the bling?
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Re:Riiight. (Score:5, Interesting)
However, gnustep has been themed, and it can look pretty good. From a UI perspective, I really like how consistent and polished the interface is, even when it's in the default "prosaic" grey. And it's not only easy to learn, it's also easy to use. From a usability perspective, I think it's much more intelligently designed than Gnome or KDE.
Re:Riiight. (Score:5, Interesting)
Then the guy must have a very good sense of irony ;) It is interesting to see how (at the moment) slashdot tries to decide whether it was a joke or not :)) I wonder which reading of this story will win out :) Currently I can't decide - but yeah, at first sight, it didn't occur to me that it was a joke :)
I'm not a developer - but follow the development of various desktop closely (mainly KDE and enlightenment). I'm also a thinkerer, and I like to try out alternative desktops once in a while, including Afterstep, windowmaker, and the likes (that follow the same UI paradigm seen in gnustep) - and I noticed that there was very little or no development at all of these desktops in the past few (3-4) years. I have to admit that both wmaker and afterstep are different from other desktopts, but I won't apostrophize that difference as revolutionary. And I don't see where it would take (even with rapid development tools) the current desktop paradigms (or how it compares to future ones, like plasma). In short: I don't see the vision, the why this is soo cool aspect. You wrote: "From a usability perspective, I think it's much more intelligently designed than Gnome or KDE." - yeah, but whose usability? It is really really difficult to define an objective usability perspective. I don't dispute your claim, I just don't understand it :))
Re:Whiskey Tango Foxtrot!!! (Score:3, Interesting)
It's a pity that GNOME was written way back when instead of GNUstep being the free desktop of choice - had all that effort gone into GNUstep, it would have been pretty easy to target both Mac OS X and Linux/*BSD instead of having to write separate UI code for each.
As a "mid-level" user... (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Thats one ugly interface (Score:2, Interesting)
Re:Gorm Videos Demonstrations (Score:5, Interesting)
Did you notice that there's actually sound (as in me, talking and making sense of all the mousewaving) in those videos ? :-)
what I'm seeing here is Visual Basic, with object orientation. Not to knock it because of this.
Frankly, no, it's vastly different. Or, in a way, yes, it's "VB with object orientation"... but:
So yes, it's "VB with OO" if you want to see it that way :-D but it's FAR from following the "VB paradigm".
Re:who cares (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:GNUstep targets Cocoa (Score:3, Interesting)
The problem is that Cocoa is a moving target. Mac OS X 10.3 had a major update when they added in Data Bindings along with associated technologies of Key-Value Observing, Key-Value Coding and Key-Value Validation. 10.4 has had the addition of Core Data - there's quite a few new classes in that lot.
With a bit of luck though Gorm will get people more enthusiastic about GNUstep and bring more developers along to work on the core APIs, helping to fill in the gaps in Cocoa compatibility.
DnD (Score:3, Interesting)
Because you can rearrange, open/close, and otherwise manipulate windows between the selection and the "drop", this addresses all your concerns about DnD.
What I suggest is that every toolkit or system that implements drag & drop be written so that middle-mouse-click acts exactly as though you dragged from the most recently selected thing and dropped it. For text this is not very hard because it would use the "PRIMARY" selection. For other data this may require programs that select items that can be dragged to also update the primary selection.
Windows -- Bizarro Edition? (Score:3, Interesting)
Just because Windows (and therefore Linux, as sadly the linux desktops have heavily copied windows as opposed to OS X) can't do drag and drop effectively
Odd, every one of the examples you mentioned works in MY Windows. Have you screwed yours up somehow or are you using some bizarre version? Perhaps you meant to bring up some of the actual problems with windows drag and drop (there are one or two, but it's hardly "broken")?