Windows and Linux User Interfaces 566
Anonymous Coward writes "Greg Raiz, Boston based interface designer and former Microsftie takes a look at Linux and outlines key shortcomings and strengths of an OS that could take on a giant."
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Re:Maybe true, but not necessarily desirable (Score:2, Informative)
Summary. (Score:5, Informative)
I tend to agree with most of the articles comments except for 1 random jab at Apple for choosing the lower ground of loosing functionality for better interface, where I believe that Apples interface is middle ground like windows but it is just better designed so it is easer. But I digress.
For Installing why can't Most Linux distributions support Loopback files, So they can install Linux on top of a Windows partition and if they don't like linux just delete the ISO file. Also a Non-destructive partition system like Partition-Magic.
More effort should be put into WINE, and MONO projects. It should be easy to run Windows programs. Just like the migration from Apple OS 9 to OS 10 or from DOS to Windows or Windows 3.1 to 95. People prefer "Optimized" to their OS applications, and will ask for them, but if they can't get it they want to run the old ones. These projects will not make developers think "Well Linux emulates it so we don't need to port it." they will think wow we have xx% of our customers using our product in linux, Perhaps we should make a Linux Version before our competitor does so we don't loose them.
Standardizing on the User Interface is extremely important. I can't even count the times I have to go to a newbe who is using KDE or GNOME and opens an Application build with the other tool kit or worse a different one like X11 and explain to them that they may have some trouble Copying and Pasting, and oh this is a x application you need to do it this way instead. And your files are by default saved here except for there. It is confusing and they do not comprehend why things are so diverse.
Installing, I really don't see why Linux can't take a lesson from Apple and improve on it. To install an application drag the folder to where you want to run the application. Have all its files that it needs to run self contained inside itself and uninstalling it is just deleting the directory. And try as much as possible to make the application statically built With Drive space below $1 per gigabyte the extra space lest be a little wasteful to make installation easy. Only spread the files across the OS when you Really-Really Need to.
The logical question... (Score:3, Informative)
To me, this issue always disturbs me (Score:5, Informative)
Guys, we need to have an attractive desktop by default in order to make the user experience at least more appealing. In one installation of Ubuntu, I had to tweak the X.org conf file in order to have it display these fonts correctly! And believe me...it took more than 4 hours to get right! Who would have that time in the "real" world?
Re:Maybe true, but not necessarily desirable (Score:5, Informative)
VB for Linux (Score:4, Informative)
There is an opportunity for the open source community to create a VB compatible IDE that could compile applications for both to Windows and Linux.
It is a good commercial idea. But will any FOSS programmers bother implementing VB under Linux? On a more inflamatory note do we even want those VB programmers to develop for Linux?
Re:Summary. (Score:5, Informative)
Except for the fact that I have used Linux as my primary Desktop OS since Mid 1994, I understand Linux and its concepts but some of them are wrong, and parts of the linux community are just to high up on themselves to realize that there could be a better way of doing things. I have just recently started using a Mac as my primary system, figuring if I don't like OS X then I could put a PPC Linux distribution on it, or just stick with Xwindows support and command line. But I come to realize a Good Interface especially for Desktop applications actually helps productivity.
Re:Maybe true, but not necessarily desirable (Score:3, Informative)
Shame, he could have seen the future =)
Re:VB for Linux (Score:4, Informative)
Re:To me, this issue always disturbs me (Score:3, Informative)
Well, I hope you do not think fonts in OpenOffice.org are generally better looking than their Windows counterparts, do you? In my previous installation, these fonts looked blurry, huge and ugly. I guess I should have broadened the scope of my premise to include the general look and feel of OpenOffice .org. This is fact: This application looks better on Windows than on Linux. Now you tell me it does not.
Re:Summary. (Score:3, Informative)
Don't know about the copy-and-pasting thing, but the task tray stuff is fairly recent (since FreeDesktop standardised the protocol for system try items, which would count as an example of this standardisation), and the start menus need to be (to the best of my knowledge) manually updated between the two systems (often packages in distributions will update both if necessary, though). Not sure about that bit though.
Re:Maybe true, but not necessarily desirable (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Maybe true, but not necessarily desirable (Score:3, Informative)
Some of the older Mandrake versions even had a tool to automate the process of setting one up - you just told it what size you wanted, and it created one and rebooted into the installer (via DOS) to install a working Linux system on it. It even added a desktop icon to reboot into Windows (required Win9x, alas). If Linux broke, you could just delete the files from Windows.
Re:wireless support on linux is horrible (Score:3, Informative)
Oh, and unfortunately getting ndiswrapper working seems to be a matter of luck (it worked for me with the Netgear WG111, quite reliably, but YMMV). Apparently, it doesn't like certain experimental kernel patches, among other things. It's really a bit of a hack anyway; native drivers are better if you can get them (not too often, sadly).
Re:I do NOT think Linux needs an install architect (Score:5, Informative)
That's not even what the "GNU/Linux" people think. If you're going to advocate something like that, you should at least get your facts straight.
Linux is the operating system KERNEL.
GNU/Linux is the kernel plus the collection of (almost entirely GNU) applications and libraries that make up the OPERATING SYSTEM.
But, as noted above, even though Linux technically only refers to the kernel, the colloquial usage of the word has long been understood to refer to either the kernel or the operating system, depending on context.
Re:wireless support on linux is horrible (Score:3, Informative)
Ndiswrapper is unfortunately a way to work around what is to all intents and purposes broken hardware. You were cheated when you bought that thing. It's always going to be an administration pain in the ass until the manufacturer co-operates with the developers by providing specs. I know you probably don't want to hear that having spent your money (and time) on whatever that card is, but my advice would be to sell it and get a fully supported one. (I actually had to do exactly the same thing).
W.r.t. NetworkManager in FedoraCore4 the developer (Christopher Aillon) says himself that the current incarnation sucks and he's released a new, better version [aillon.org] that you might be interested in trying out. It's working like a champ for me, and I had resorted to doing all my wireless configuration on the commandline in FC4.
Hope you get your situation sorted out. I feel your pain, but if you spend another $40 on a card that's supported, use OpenVPN on the Linksys router (flash the router with OpenWRT [openwrt.org], it's simple and gives you real encryption as opposed to the lame-ass WPA which is crackable), then you'll be in clover.
They didn't say that (Score:4, Informative)
"The Linux desktop has gone way past the excellent product Sun released in December 2003. That desktop offered the Gnome 2.2 desktop and some very nice engineering. Most Linux desktops now offer Gnome 2.12 which has incorporated the nice engineering found in the original Sun project Madhatter. So, no one wants Sun's throwback desktop today.
Don't get your hopes up about the JDS desktop for Linux. They need to prove that they can follow through on something first. So far, the jury remains out. We don't know who would want their desktop anyway: It's old, they changed the look and feel and who will support it?
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Basically, they realized that their Java Desktop has been obsoleted by GNOME and they no longer want to maintain their fork which few people wanted.
Re:Maybe true, but not necessarily desirable (Score:3, Informative)
Re:OS X? (Score:5, Informative)
Coming from the Linux world, Windows is so obviously the OS that has dumbed itself down for the novice, whereas the Mac is so obviously the OS that has invested effort into productivity for advanced users on the desktop. But "ease of productivity" for professionals is not the same as "ease of learning how to use a computer" for a novice. Windows has the novice market locked down tight, from the infamous start button, to the desktop populated with application launcher icons, to monolithic applications that want to work in full-screen mode; everything caters to the naive user. The Mac, on the other hand seems to presume that you are working on a large display, with numerous tool and working windows placed where they are convenient to you, and drag-and-drop interoperability between these windows that is reminiscent of using pipes to connect apps on a CLI. That's not novice stuff, and it takes a while to learn to use it. Once you've got the hang of it, though, it's really hard to go back. That's the real reason Mac users are fanatical and loyal, I've concluded, and it has nothing to do with novices. Indeed the whole idea of a fanatic novice is a bit of an oxymoron.
Re:Maybe true, but not necessarily desirable (Score:3, Informative)
Of course some distros will still want to go their own way (I'm sure Gentoo will continue to be what it is), but I think it is reasonable to hope and ask the major distros to, regardless of how they want to package and store, make smart available as the client to install software. Hopefully that will be the result in the not too distant future. It helps if more people know about and advocate smart of course...
Jedidiah.
Re:Linux is Ready for Mac OS X Users to Switch... (Score:3, Informative)