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Paris Accelerates Move to Open Source 225

* * Beatles-Beatles writes to tell us that the city of Paris is moving to open-source software a little faster than originally intended. As a part of the strategy to 'reduce its dependence on suppliers' they anticipate replacing both server and desktop applications with free and open-source software. From the article: "Earlier this year, volunteers among the city's 46,000 staff were invited to download and install open-source software to their desktops, including the Firefox browser and the Open Office.org productivity suite. Now, the city is planning to migrate all the users of one city department or all of those in one of the city's 20 districts, not just the volunteers, to test a larger migration. The city has 17,000 workstations, up from 12,000 in 2001"
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Paris Accelerates Move to Open Source

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 21, 2005 @05:56PM (#14085360)
    I'm recycling a comment from another AC in another Scuttlemonkey/**Beatles-Beatles post. This guy's getting worse than Roland Picklepail:

    Am I the only person who has noticed the numerous stories that get posted by *--Beatles-Beatles? Am I also the only person who has noticed that the link used in is name is a constantly changing URL (depending on the story) with pointers to various scammy sites? Is it not obvious what he's doing? He's using the awesome PageRank of slashdot do promote his sites based on searches that have the word Beatles in them.

    It's a small price to pay for free advertising. Find a story, summarize it in 5 minutes, post to slashdot, and get a pagerank boost that advertisers would pay hundreds (or maybe thousands) for. (Text links on high-ranking sites is big business - just ask oreilly).

    Slashdot should at least put a ref=nofollow in the links to submitters (or better yet, only link the submitter's name to his/her user page).


    In closing, a quick bit of WHOIS shows that all the sites linked by **B-B are registered to Carl Fogle. Carl, cut this crap out.
  • Not really cracked (Score:3, Informative)

    by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Monday November 21, 2005 @05:56PM (#14085361) Journal
    IIRC, It was the Windows boxes that were broken into, and then accessed the sidekick. The sidekick was suppose to be open to the network, os it did what it was designed to do.
  • Re:[grin] (Score:5, Informative)

    by Alex P Keaton in da ( 882660 ) on Monday November 21, 2005 @05:57PM (#14085374) Homepage
    Hmmm- learn your WWII history-
    Here are some book to get you started. I am not a big francophile, but nor am I a France hater. But the Poles played a big part in liberating Paris.
    http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/listmania/fullvie w/3DRV4RIE2IBVW/104-1606606-3940704?_encoding=UTF8 [amazon.com]
  • Re:[grin] (Score:5, Informative)

    by slavemowgli ( 585321 ) on Monday November 21, 2005 @06:03PM (#14085427) Homepage
    Of course, the whole "french fries" fiasco was even funnier considering that french fries aren't even named after France - it's the way they're prepared that gave them their name, and the word just happens to be the same in (contemporary?) English.
  • by Oldsmobile ( 930596 ) on Monday November 21, 2005 @06:09PM (#14085477) Journal
    In Finland, my home city had a widely publicised project to start using open source software. In the end, the project was scrapped, with the only thing achieved being that MS lowered it's licensing fees somewhat.

    Only a few weeks ago the City anounced it would purchase a new MS software for all of its computers.

    This was probably due to proficious wining and dining on the part of MS.
  • Re:Hui! (Score:2, Informative)

    by corwin2 ( 680613 ) on Monday November 21, 2005 @06:12PM (#14085489) Homepage
    Of course, openoffice is translated in dozens of languages among them French (and the translation is of very good level).
  • by jsuarezcasana ( 898941 ) <jsuarezcasana&yahoo,com> on Monday November 21, 2005 @06:13PM (#14085509)
    "And thank the French language for having separate words gratuit and libre, to distringuish the meanings of free. No excuse for the open source buzzword coerupting ouyr message there.,"

    gratuit = gratuito (esp) = without cost
    libre = libre (esp) = free

    those languages (fr and esp) are more subtle, english is way to easy
    cheers
  • by Alarash ( 746254 ) on Monday November 21, 2005 @06:28PM (#14085634)
    Liberty, equality, brotherhood. The tagline for the French republic. So they have to use free software , or they'd be breaking their ideals. Like "God bless America and the separation of church and state". I'm suprised the French don't use more free software, given their hate for America and the anglofication of their language, of which computers are a big cause.

    "Given their hate for America" ? Duh? France doesn't "hate" America any more than any country in the world, and probably like America more than most countries in the world. As for the "anglofication" of the language, well the Elders try to prevent it, but most of the youth use a lot of english words (like "cool", "joystick", "chat"), and a lot of english words are also commonly used ("parking", "joystick", "week-end", etc...). Many efforts are made to keep the french language and culture alive though. And I think it's great because the french culture is good (a lot of renowned book authors or poets for instance). Not "the best culture in the world", because no such thing exists, but definitively a great one.

    I used a French version of windows ocne. Only the very front was translated, any error messages, anything practically not visible at first view was still in English.

    I use a French Windows everyday, and basically everything is translated, except maybe the Blue Screen Of Death. I think what you saw could be third-parties software error messages not translated. Microsoft actually did a great job (aaar! don't mod me down!) translating their OS's to French (I don't know for other languages).

    And thank the French language for having separate words gratuit and libre, to distringuish the meanings of free. No excuse for the open source buzzword coerupting ouyr message there.

    Just for the people who don't know: gratuit means free (as in beer), libre means free (as in open source and freedom). So Firefox is gratuit and libre.

  • by swv3752 ( 187722 ) <swv3752&hotmail,com> on Monday November 21, 2005 @06:34PM (#14085700) Homepage Journal
    PDF let anyone see something as it is meant to be printed. On other platforms that do not use Adobe's Acrobat Reader, the pdf viewers are pretty lean.

    For the niche that PDF fills, nothing else works as well. Postscript (which PDF is just a variant) is even larger, and other options such as DVI are not well supported.
  • by tehshen ( 794722 ) <tehshen@gmail.com> on Monday November 21, 2005 @06:36PM (#14085717)
    Why not do what we did: make your office PDF free?

    Because PDFs work, and if it ain't broke, don't fix it? Anything that's edited in-office is .rtf, anything sent outside the office gets converted to .pdf before sending. Your method makes you a troll, apparently.

    The files are enormous

    It depends how you make them. I can LaTeX up a file and the resulting pdf will be (typically) 30->100kB in size. Others are just comprised of scanned pictures, and the largest I've seen is 2.5MB. If you think that's enormous, get some more storage (it's really cheap nowadays) and then look at the .doc format.

    the readers are bloated (and at 56+ Meg just to open a fucking file, I'd call "bloated" generous)

    Evince is using 40.4MB to read a typical PDF with standard text/pictures for me, and that's hardly putting strain on the total memory. While Firefox is using over 100MB.

    and they're a pain in the ass to alter

    Some people might consider that a strong point. Try printing it out and writing on it if you need to edit it so badly.

    Could somebody please tell me why people use PDF's in the first place?

    Because they're what you see is what you get, anywhere? Compare that with almost all word processor formats where the layout is dependent on fonts, printers, the program, all sorts of things. Not to mention that it's well-supported.

    Stop complaining about the file format just because you've been using them badly. PDFs were never intended to be a word-processor format, so stop treating them as one.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 21, 2005 @06:47PM (#14085824)
    IIRC, It was the Windows boxes that were broken into, and then accessed the sidekick.

    Didn't she just choose the name of her dog as password?
  • Re:[grin] (Score:4, Informative)

    by PhotoBoy ( 684898 ) on Monday November 21, 2005 @06:49PM (#14085834)
    Funnier still is that the UK and US governments deliberately mis-quoted Chirac, they claimed Chirac had promised to block any vote for war in the UN. What Chirac actually said was that he would not vote for war unless the weapons inspectors were allowed to complete their inspection and confirmed the presences of WMDs. Which is quite reasonable if you ask me...

    But that didn't stop Bush & Co from demonising the French and starting a nationwide backlash against them just to prevent their reasonable criticism from being heard. I don't have any great love for the French but we should at least criticise them for something they did actually do.
  • by corwin2 ( 680613 ) on Monday November 21, 2005 @06:54PM (#14085873) Homepage
    This is by far not the biggest migration to openSource in France, actually, the only reason why you see it in Slashdot is because it mentions "paris", it doens't even make the subtitles of French opensource portals. The whole French administration is slowly turning to opensource, currently for instance the Gendarmerie (police) is updating all their 40.000 PCs to OOo + Firefox/Thunderbird, the Tax administration announced last week that they are currently deploying Oo on their 80.000 Pcs and have already registered an immediate 29Million benefit because of it (2006 licence fees), the Police Nationale (the other Police administration besides Gendarmerie) has been using Oo for 2 years already etc. An official from Gendarmerie explained that leaving MSoffice for OpenOffice had an immediate benefit beside the very cost of the licences, they were able to disolve a whole department with several people paid only to make sure that the thousands of Gendarmerie buildings in France (metropolitan and abroad) were using legally licenced MSoffice suites ! Cops were paid to make sure that the licences were all paid instead of working on the street to arrest thieves...
  • Re:[grin] (Score:3, Informative)

    by boule75 ( 649166 ) on Monday November 21, 2005 @07:25PM (#14086179) Homepage
    Thank you to point out that dishonnest misquoting.

    But you ought to point out that the bias in the translation was setted up from second one: The Associated Press _in French_ misquoted Chirac and was translated that way. Tony Blair then used a somewhat-more-distorted-again quote in the Commons in his great discourse to justify this war before this temple of Democracy.

    In the US it became something like "we must attack Saddam because he must be a real ennemy for the Frogs to defend him". Hum... Indeed, I am too pretentious of a frog, sorry: France was just bashed to provide a convenient red-herring and to distract the crowds from the already too many lies, distortions and so on that were already used at that time.

    To be honest, I was working in the axis of Paris main military airport at that time (Villacoublay), and it is certainly true that French diplomacy used many planes to convince many countries not to support the war at that time. Maybe does this explains why the US and the UK warmongers were so angry. The point is and will remain, to quote and translate Chirac correctly, that this region (the Persian Gulf) was not needing another war at that time.
  • Re:[grin] (Score:5, Informative)

    by speculatrix ( 678524 ) on Monday November 21, 2005 @07:29PM (#14086216)
    the fact that when troops arrived in Iraq they found proof that the Iraqi gov't owed huge sums of money to the French and Russian gov'ts may have played just a tiny part in their refusal to go to war?

    now, of course, the debt is cancelled :-)

  • Re:WWII In France (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 21, 2005 @07:48PM (#14086401)
    You obviously don't know anything about history.
    No one voted for the nazis, but when the nazis succeeded invading France, a part of the military decided to sign a treaty giving some autonomy to half the country (south) rather than having it all as occupied France. Some other refused the decision and went on fighting with the British (the USA only came at the end of the war, not doing much before being attacked by the Japanese).
  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday November 21, 2005 @08:19PM (#14086610)
    His name is all over the Intarwebs. Maybe give him a call. Let him know how you feel about the whole thing.
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