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Hollywood Buddies up with Bram Cohen 205

brajesh writes "According to an AP story at Yahoo News, Hollywood studios announced an agreement with Bram Cohen, the creator of the popular BitTorrent file-swapping technology, that will keep him from helping users find pirated copies of movies online. The agreement requires BitTorrent to remove Web links leading to illegal content owned by the seven studios that are members of the MPAA. The agreement is a major breakthrough in MPAA's anti-piracy efforts. BitTorrent has been one of the major targets[.doc] of MPAA's anti-piracy tirade. However, Cohen's engine is far from the only tool used to find pirated BitTorrent files online. A handful of other online engines can search BitTorrent-specific sites, and ordinary search engines can also be used to find BitTorrent files."
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Hollywood Buddies up with Bram Cohen

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  • by ummit ( 248909 ) <scs@eskimo.com> on Wednesday November 23, 2005 @10:25AM (#14099956) Homepage
    ...Cohen's engine is far from the only tool used to find pirated BitTorrent files online. A handful of other online engines can search BitTorrent-specific sites, and ordinary search engines can also be used to find BitTorrent files.

    There's an old saying, "the squeaky wheel gets the grease". The big copyright holders will always go after the highest-profile "choke points" first, and in general (i.e. when solving problems of any kind, regardless of how you feel about the studios' motives ion solving this particular "problem"), it can be a perfectly appropriate, effective strategy.

    Techies often have a bad habit of adopting a sort of slippery-slope, sky-is-falling, all-or-nothing approach to problem solving (especially if it's a problem they don't really want to solve). "This proposed solution has a hole in it and is not guaranteed to be 100% effective, therefore it is no solution at all and is foolish to pursue." Not necessarily true. You don't always need to find a perfect solution; sometimes a 90% solution is good enough, especially if the alternative is sitting on your hands doing nothing wishing you had a 100% perfect solution.

    (Off-topic, but to rescue my karma before I'm accused of siding with the studios here: the same thought processcan act in all sorts of other situations, not just copy protection. For example, if you suggest that a great way of reducing the threat of e-mail vuruses would be to redesign mail clients so that they don't make it easy to click on executable attachments and run them, while still allowing users to click on data attachments and view them, you'll receive all sorts of "objections" from techies who think they know better, pointing out that your solution "won't work" because of the possibility of e.g. JPEG and Word viruses.)

  • The MPAA is smarter (Score:4, Interesting)

    by sgent ( 874402 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2005 @10:32AM (#14100029)
    at least they were. I remember watching an interview of the MPAA president on MSNBC, where they were specifically asked about BitTorrent. Unlike Grokster and some of the other P2P technologies, the MPAA was quite excited about BitTorrent and its potential use as a tool in the future. He mentioned that a lot of legitimate things are shared by BitTorrent, and it could present a distribution technology for the studio's in the future. I'm not surprised by this partnership -- as MPAA gets the founder of the technology onboard, and gets a good platform to legitimize this.
  • by ericcantona ( 858624 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2005 @10:35AM (#14100075)
    i'm sure he's laughing all the way to the bank

    ...and then going home and using GNUnet [gnu.org]
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23, 2005 @10:43AM (#14100153)
    I think you're right - but I think Cohen is doing a clever thing here. He can see that people will get torrents elsewhere (when I read this I said, "there's an official torrent search site?"), so if he goes to the content providers and says, "what can I do to make my tool legit?", and then he does these things, it will make headlines. The movie companies are satisfied, and so is everyone who uses torrents. Those who care about copyright will go to Cohen's site, and those who don't will go elsewhere. When the movie companies come back wondering why there are still illegal torrents floating around, Cohen can say, "but I did everything you asked! Those torrents weren't found on _my site - go after them!". This way torrents live on, and pirates can stay three search engines ahead of those who are trying to sue.
  • Re:Weak (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Jetifi ( 188285 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2005 @10:55AM (#14100251) Homepage

    Its a just quid-pro-quo, which I imagine works a bit like this:

    • The MPAA gets to show its member organisations that it's working, and is handed a propaganda victory in the copyfight.
    • Bram Cohen's startup gets some much-needed press, which keeps the VC's happy and attracts traffic, and (bonus!) isn't sued by the MPAA.

    I can't say I blame him. He's never condoned piracy, there's no reason for him to start now, and it's not as if he's talking about the protocol, just his search engine - which is a whole other subject.

  • by PhoenixPath ( 895891 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2005 @11:13AM (#14100396)
    With this move, regardless of it's actual impact on pirating via BitTorrent, he is vastly increasing his chances of successfully slamming down any charge of intent. He is showing that his intended use of the network is not piracy, and that steps can be taken by tracker owners/aggregators to limit the use of this app to legitimate uses.

    This is all to protect himself from future lawsuits. It will have no effect on other bittorrent search sites.

    He done good....and did it without harming any users, legit or not.
  • by Cocteaustin ( 702468 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2005 @11:27AM (#14100507) Homepage
    In the interview Bram made an oblique reference to some future deal his company is going to do with them, the theory is that they're going to be involved in content distribution. But I think he's being naive (if there's going to be a deal, why not announce it now? What's to keep the MPAA to get bored and wander off now that they've got what they want?). To paraphrase Homer Simpson, "the most important lesson I learned dealing with the entertainment industry is...don't trust the entertainment industry."
  • Re:Weak (Score:5, Interesting)

    by chazwurth ( 664949 ) <cdstuart@umic[ ]du ['h.e' in gap]> on Wednesday November 23, 2005 @11:54AM (#14100761)
    Bram Cohen has in fact condoned piracy, at least until mid-2003. Check out this little piece, now removed from his website, but still accessible via wayback: http://web.archive.org/web/20030602145959/bitconju rer.org/a_technological_activists_agenda.html [archive.org]

    "I build systems to disseminate information, commit digital piracy, synthesize drugs, maintain untrusted contacts, purchase anonymously, and secure machines and homes...I refuse to work on technology to track users, analyze usage patterns, watermark information, censor, detect drug use, or eavesdrop. I am not naive enough to think any of those technologies could enable a 'compromise'."

    He was the last person I'd have expected to deal with the MPAA, given what his rhetoric used to be.
  • by tomcres ( 925786 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2005 @11:56AM (#14100779)
    I have had a real hard time with Optimum Online interfering with BT traffic. The default 6881 port is almost unusable, and I notice that lately even if I switch to another port, it has been slow. It took me three DAYS to get an OpenSUSE DVD image last week via BitTorrent. This is nothing short of ridiculous, and is why I'm switching to Speakeasy DSL. I'm probably going to have to get IDSL just because I'm so far from the CO, which is going to cost me even more money, but screw Cablevision. As soon as my DSL gets hooked up, I'm dropping their internet and television. I'll get a satellite hookup for TV. It costs the same amount and they're not an evil monopoly like Cablevision. I can choose DirecTV or Dish network, whoever offers me a better deal. I had DirecTV in the past and liked it. I just wasn't going to pay someone $100 to re-install the dish after it fell off the side of my house.
  • by Shakrai ( 717556 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2005 @12:04PM (#14100848) Journal

    I also think the MPAA are becomming smarter. This quote FTA shows that they are learning from the mistakes of and bad publicity of the RIAA:

    Well, even most /.'ers would have to admit that there is a bit of a difference between MPAA and RIAA. RIAA's entire business model is based around enslaving artists into draconian contracts where they make the lions share of the money off CD sales and the only thing the artist gets out of it is publicity. One wonders why such a business model survives in the internet age.

    The members of the MPAA actually make a product (of sorts) that's tangible. They aren't paying actors and writers 15 cents a movie and telling them to make it up with autograph sales and concerts. Who here can't understand why the MPAA would get pissed when the new Star Wars or Harry Potter movie is floating around the internet days before it's released? Granted, I still have issues with them (region codes come to mind), but nothing like the complete lack of respect that I have for RIAA.

  • by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Wednesday November 23, 2005 @12:23PM (#14101006)
    How ironic, you're getting lost in the weeds talking about a rule of thumb that's about not getting lost in the weeds.

    To propse that somebody's busiess will fail because they don't adhere to the intricate technicalities of a rule of thumb is preposterous.

  • Re:Relevancy? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 23, 2005 @01:40PM (#14101659)
    You bring an interesting point mentioning Vivid.

    How come the porn industry isn't the least bit worried about filesharing, and is in some cases encouraging it; i.e. many movies on empornium are put there by those who own the copyright to them.

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