Thunderbird 1.5 Arrives

Tech Support writes "Thunderbird 1.5 is here! It's ready to download, so get going. Finally, Firefox 1.5 has its counterpart. New features included automatic updates, anti-phishing protection, inline spellchecking, saved search folders, podcasting, RSS improvements, the ability to delete attachments from messages, and a whole lot more."

Ubuntu packages

[gsasha]

Are there packages for (K)Ubuntu available for it somewhere?
And while we are at it, are there [semi-]official Firefox 1.5 packages Ubuntu?

Does it move sent mail into the appropriate folder

[Threni]

ie the one the replying to the email from is located?

Actually, I stopped using Thunderbird when I lost all my email in my last Windows backup/restore. Now I just use my Gmail from Firefox account. Does it have anything cool in it that means there's actually a point in using an email client any more, or do I just stick with my browser?

Threading

[aussie_a]

I've found Gmail's threading to be much more superior over Thunderbird's (despite Gmail's simplicity in threading, or perhaps because of it). Has thunderbird improved in this regard?

Does it have....

[Zedrick]

the option to use pure text? That is, no HTML what so ever. Not in the text, not when qouting, not ever? I've read a million howtos about this (for previous versions, on Win and Linux), but haven't been able to totally disable HTML - afaik it's not possible. Somebody please correct me.

The Mailer I want

[Qbertino]

Thunderbird is ok. Really ok. It multi-plattform, uses mbox, has some cool automation/filtering and is relatively easy to set up and recover on all plattforms.
Yet it still looks like a software that's aping last decades Outlook/Netscape Mail crappyness.
What I whish for is this:

Three-Divided is the 5uXX0rz!!1!1!!11ONE!
Default non-three-divided screen. Three-devided is pointless. It sucks. It really does. Nobody really needs it and it definitely is bad as a default setting. If at all it should be optional. This is one thing that elitistware called Mutt actually really does right. I'd like Thunderbird with tabbed fullscreen folder, mails, read and edit views. With easy switching up and down the herachy with Ctrl.-Arrow or something. It can't be that hard, no?

Encryption. All variants. Out of the box.
Zero-hassle, zero compile this, semi-maybe-works-if-your-lucky pseudo wannabe plugin encryption. As in: Start Mailer, Klick "Encryption", Klick "Make Key" and get rolling. It can't that hard, or? KMail and Thunderbird have be practically lying about this to the community for years. Both say they support encrytion. Fact is, they don't. Enigmail is compiling agains a moving target and rarely hits - i couldn't get it to run once - and KMail encryption, despite their bold marketing claims on the projects website, is Vaporware. Pure and utter.

(Note to KMail: If I have to compile at least 2 different frameworks, including downloading some rare, bizar Aegypten library kit and, on top of that, fiddle with some arcane pseudo-plugin architecture in order to get a "KMail Encryption Plugin" running, then KMail does not offer a Plugin. A plugin is just that: You Plug it in and it just works. Bottom line: Please quit lying to your users. It pisses them off. qed)

If only a mailer would offer these features, one could actually presume that E-Mail clients have arived in the 21st century. Until then all mailers suck. One way or the other.

Re:Inline spellchecking needs work

[Tony Hoyle]

TB has never really scaled... it slows down as your inbox gets larger for example - now takes over 3 minutes to open one of my work inboxes (10,000+ messages).

Plus there's being unable to reply before it's downloaded the attachments to the message (you just get a blank email instead of the original text quoted).

Funnily enough the best for large stuff seems to be Outlook Express. Only that's basically unusable because it doesn't do quoting correctly and you have to manually edit the message (trying doing that when replying to a 500 line epic).

Now all they need to do is use 1 Runtime Engine

[enmane]

So we'll have TBird, Firefox, and a Calendar all running off 3 instances of the same runtime engine - hey, that's SMART!

why not have the runtime engine built into all three products but only install if it isn't already present? Ya know, save memory and work on improving 1 engine instead of 3. Oh yeah, that's too smart and already exists as Mozilla (which was canned)...err...SeaMonkey.

This is being brought to you by the same category of boffins that duped you into believing that tearing apart the StarOffice Suite would IMPROVE system response when, in fact, it has slowed things down about tenfold while using up MORE memory.

I don't doubt that they are good products on their own but how about using a runtime engine that is already present instead of loading a new one each time - PAY ATTENTION SUN AND OO.ORG.

The regression of these 2 areas (i.e. Mozilla and openoffice) is so sad and considering that they are the 2 most used packages says something about the leaders of these software packages.

For the life of me, I can't figure out:
1) Why Sun dumped the integrated package and didn't make it opensource while opensourcing the split apps.
2) Why the promise of increased speed hasn't been fulfilled?
3) Why things would get 10x worse, in terms of speed, with OO?
4) Why the FF and TB creaters aren't working on a common GRE? How many people DON'T use both at the same time?! I love the packages but after seeing the memory useage when using both and comparing to Mozilla, I quickly went back to the Mozilla Suite.

Enough ranting for the day

Thunderbird has encryption

[metamatic]

Thunderbird has S/MIME support built in, no plugins needed. So does Apple Mail, so you can communicate with Mac users.

http://kb.mozillazine.org/Installing_an_SMIME_cert ificate [mozillazine.org]

I use it. It works. Mailing lists tend to fsck up signatures, though.

****** broken

[MrBandersnatch]

OK so silly me, feeling lucky today; thought Id install this over my old install since the version I was using (1.0.7) would open up and take 5 minutes to count the 150,000 unread messages that it *thinks * are in my inbox!

Doh, of course now email doesnt work. No errors messages, no message boxes, NOTHING!

Between this and FireFox 1.5 not displaying Flash, hogging massive amounts of memory, rendering some large pages a LOT more slowly than 1.0.x; crashing etc. etc; The Moz/FF have left me a lot less impressed than I once was...

Re:Doesn't run at all on my computer

[MrBandersnatch]

Well this just bit me and too be honest, the fact that it doesnt warn you that youre installing over an existing directory when doing the install *AND IF YOU DO DO SO IT BREAKS* I really class as a bug and one as bad as many Ive found in any MS product. Sure I like TB but good software should NOT do this sort of thing.

Re:In Portage already?

[hawaiian717]

Yeah, but how long until it's marked stable? Firefox 1.5 (both the source and binary versions) are still marked testing.