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19 Charged in Alleged Software Piracy Plot 311

Brainsur writes " A federal grand jury has indicted 19 people on charges they used the Internet to pirate more than $6.5 million worth of copyrighted computer software, games and movies.The indictment outlines an alleged plot by defendants from nine states, Australia and Barbados to illegally distribute newly released titles, including movies like "The Incredibles" and "The Aviator," and games like "Tiger Woods PGA Tour 2005."
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19 Charged in Alleged Software Piracy Plot

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  • 6.5 million? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by SirTalon42 ( 751509 ) on Wednesday February 01, 2006 @09:18PM (#14622134)
    What is that 6.5 million based on? Is that the retail price of the product normally? Or is it that $250,000 per infringement copyright thing?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 01, 2006 @09:30PM (#14622211)
    Parent article misses the major problem here - the US DOJ is going to spend boatloads of cash extraditing two of the kids in this case, one from Australia and one from Barbados. Warez is justification for extradition? The DOJ even admits in its press release that profit was not an issue here. This makes it wide-scale file sharing, and a waste of John Q. Public's tax dollars. Good job FBI/DOJ/assorted alphabet organizations wasting funds and following orders from bribed politicians... oh sorry, those were "campaign contributions" from the movie and software industries...

    As a shareware developer, I could care less about kids cracking my software, but I'm getting damn sick of the charade going on as the BSA cries (to its own benefit only) about the evils of piracy.
  • undercover (Score:1, Interesting)

    by zetasmack ( 741760 ) on Wednesday February 01, 2006 @09:31PM (#14622226) Homepage
    weird, usually the infiltrate a bunch of sites and bust all the groups using them. i wonder how they managed to bust just one group? do you think they have "undercover agents" pose as suppliers and then bust the groups from within? i've always wondered how they go about doing this.
  • WTF? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by snookums ( 48954 ) on Wednesday February 01, 2006 @09:37PM (#14622259)
    From TFA:
    Each defendant was charged with one count of conspiracy to commit copyright infringement, which carries a five-year maximum prison sentence. Fifteen also were charged with copyright infringement, which carries a three-year maximum.

    Anyone care to explain why conspiracy attracts a harsher sentence than the actual crime? I mean, leaving aside the whole moral quagmire surrounding the criminalization of copyright infringement, how can thinking and talking about doing something carry a harsher penalty than actually doing it. Does this type of duality apply in traditional crimes like assault, murder and larceny?


  • by TubeSteak ( 669689 ) on Wednesday February 01, 2006 @09:59PM (#14622393) Journal
    to expand on your statement, it has been suggested/shown that some terrorist organizations recieve funds as a result of the sale of pirated goods.

    The argument goes that the release groups are providing material for the people selling pirated goods on the street.

    It's much harder to get rid of the street corner dvd guy, compared to killing a release group.

    IMHO, in the long term, neither problem has a solution. One group does it for free fun, the other for money. You could wipe out the physical pirates by lowering prices to the point that they can't continue to operate, but that'll never happen.
  • Barbados (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Pet Doctor ( 549054 ) on Wednesday February 01, 2006 @10:00PM (#14622397)
    When I visited a friend in Barbados in 1997 there was a "blockbuster" in a mall. It looked normal from the outside but if you looked closely at the sign it was hand painted. We rented several videos they were all high quality copies and in the middle of the video subtitles popped up and said if you would like to buy a copy of the video call 1800xxxxxxx.

    also we did not worry about drinking and driving because they rummer was there was no law against it as the police had no breathalyzer equipment.

  • Re:WTF? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 01, 2006 @10:51PM (#14622708)
    Back in 2000 I participated with one of the groups that was indicted the following year in "Operation Bandwidth". The rundown they gave us was that if we didn't plea out as a group under conspiracy, they would go after us as individuals with an actual copyright infringement charge instead of conspiracy(they stated they had all the evidence they would need from the computers confiscated from the raids they performed to put each one of us away). On a side note, this is currently still an active case and I have yet to be sentenced in this case due to the fact that the U.S. prosecutor wants us all to be present at the same time for each of our own sentences and there are still people waiting to goto trial.
  • by panxerox ( 575545 ) * on Wednesday February 01, 2006 @10:53PM (#14622722)
    Actually I thought it was the money that we pay for oil that the arab governments then use to pay the terrorists off so they don't go after them.
  • Re:Its just a .... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ePhil_One ( 634771 ) on Wednesday February 01, 2006 @11:21PM (#14622872) Journal
    I still have no idea what the OP's point is, and now I have no idea what your point is, or how they relate to one another.

    The OP's point was they were criminals who knew what they were doing was wrong and had serious concequences if they were caught, but chose to continue doing it. He actually supports artists who use the Creative Commons license and the local music scene.

    The chap you responded to believes that because he believes copyright law is wrong, that those violating it on a grand scale are actually commiting "civil disobedience" and should be celebrated as heros and let free. Notably, he is a leech on the P2P networks, downloading from others but blocking incoming connections from fear of enforcement; a P2P leaf node

    Personally I think the article was posted to let the community know it will take longer before the latest movies are available for download on their latest P2P network. Any other questions?

  • Re:Its just a .... (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 01, 2006 @11:57PM (#14623068)
    Yes, they went so far out of their way that they put their name on all their releases...

    How to you trade warez publically as an act of civil disobedience? Sit in the middle of Starbucks with a t-shirt that says I-Pir8?

    Back when warez was a *civil* matter, which is what it should be, people put BBS lists and phone numbers all over the place. There was all kinds of innovative new products and lots of guys got rich. Now the industry is stale and warez kids are easy targets. So they hide their names - they're facing corporate entities that pay off the federal government to stage these persecutions... oh sorry prosectutions... which financially can stomp them into dust. They have no shot at a real defense.

    They broke the law?

    Great. Fine them. Make them pick up litter. Don't waste time and tax dollars treating them like rapists.

    And please don't give me some line about killing software developers, I've worked in that industry, warez wasn't even a blip on our radar screen. My firm was shocked when we found out we'd been warezed - because we'd seen no financial evidence to lead us to believe anything was amiss!
  • Re:Its just a .... (Score:2, Interesting)

    by kfg ( 145172 ) on Thursday February 02, 2006 @01:00AM (#14623368)
    And now you have just unlocked the secret to understanding Federal domestic policy:

    Make everyone either an inmate or a guard, for the economy.

    KFG
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 02, 2006 @02:25AM (#14623711)
    I am from Malaysia. Look around in Malaysia, Thailand, Phillipines and other South East Asian countries. Piracy in one of those countries would be costing you a hell lot more than 6.5 million. Possibly 600 million. Nobody buys real software for personal use. Nobody buys real DVDs for personal use. Pirated shit is 90% cheaper and the majority dont want to pay the 1500 MYR for adobe photoshop. a Pirated version is 15 MYR. So screw me.
  • by Fantastic Lad ( 198284 ) on Thursday February 02, 2006 @12:28PM (#14626670)
    I've stolen a lot of software, and unless you are a giant dork, so have you.

    I've used tens of thousands of dollars worth of code over the years on a variety of platforms from the Tandy CoCo to my current PC which I simply could not afford to have bought at the time. I don't feel guilty about this in the slightest. Now that I'm grown up, I turned around and now provide a lot of content to the world which has also been borrowed by people who haven't paid. Gee whiz. Life goes on, and the wheels keep spinning and there's still food on my table. How many software makers are starving? I'm serious. --If people are good at what they do, if they produce with passion, then if their work doesn't sell, it has nothing to do with piracy.

    I'd also be curious to know. . . How many of those people who today make movies and software haven't also pirated a few dozen software titles when they were kids at home with their C64s, or Amigas or whatever? I didn't know a single computer-owning kid who wasn't also a software pirate. Not one.

    What comes around, goes around. That's Karma and everybody pays. It's the credit card system of the Universe.

    See, I've also bought a lot of software, and unless you are a giant dork, so have you.

    Now that I am an adult with an income, I particularly enjoy buying software from small companies similar to the ones I ripped off as a kid. Not out of guilt or any sense of repayment; Motivation is much more pleasing when it stems from passion rather than pain. --And I genuinely enjoy making on-line purchases and downloading cool and clever bits of code. I understand the creativity and work required to create something, and how much encouragement and joy comes from seeing a sale made. I think it's wonderful to encourage passion and wit and creativity and bravery in those individuals who are willing to buck the system and listen to their souls. It feels great!

    Look at "Doom". The first version was free! And does everybody remember what the end result was? Did people lose jobs and starve? Goodness, no! --The excitement generated from creating something new and truly clever creates energy, enough energy to feed and employ thousands of people.

    The trick is making sure that you stay connected to the loop. There's nothing wrong with that. Being willing to Give energy freely means nothing if you don't also allow yourself to Take energy freely. The conduit must not be stymied at either end of the flow. "Give and you shall receive," is one of the truly valid, really good sayings in this reality, but it needs one little addendum I think. . , "Give and you shall receive, --but don't be silly about it."

    The "Information Wants to be Free" saying is also a good one. It's so very true, but it works in ways a little more clever and mysterious than the laws of direct commerce allow for.


    -FL

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