Google Delists BMW-Germany 613
Raenex writes "The car maker BMW has had its German website bmw.de delisted from Google. The delisting was punishment for using deceptive means to boost page ranking, which has now been set to zero for BMW. Matt Cutts, a Google employee who works to stop unethical search manipulation, originally reported the delisting in his blog and suggests that camera maker Ricoh is not far behind."
Old news (Score:0, Informative)
Blog Link (Score:5, Informative)
Sheesh.
Re:Oh that's really good (Score:4, Informative)
Re:Oh that's really good (Score:5, Informative)
Re:Politics (Score:3, Informative)
They did simply lower it. They reset its page rank to zero, so it shows up at the bottom of any results, or amongst all the other zero page rank results.
But as far as search engines go, a listing at the end is just the same as not being listed at all. In any case they did just as you said, they lowered its ranking. The summary I guess is technically incorrect, but practically acurate.
Re:Ripoffs from Wikipedia (Score:2, Informative)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:JesseW/Full_mir
Re:Politics (Score:3, Informative)
Resetting the page-rank to zero is fair and non-permanent. Simply put bmw.de will regain a legitimate page-rank in the future, but for now this is the short term consequence of using keyword treatment to your website. (Note the bmw.de website would display paragraphs of motoring related keywords when javascript was turned off, this tactic overtime artificially boosts your page rank. It is easy to reproduce, however it is not an invisible action and is against most search sites terms.)
Use the site modifier to see... (Score:3, Informative)
Nope [google.com], it's really, really gone. Instead of seeing the global site [google.com], you can only see the
Re:Politics (Score:2, Informative)
Re:boost me or delete me (Score:3, Informative)
The proper way to boost your site is to use descriptive text in the body of your page, use descriptive and accurate "alt" tags (for text browsers), add proper meta data to your page, as well as advertise or share links with relevant sites...
Re:boost me or delete me (Score:3, Informative)
So BMW was cheating - they detected that Google was coming, and served such a page (also known as a "doorway page" in SEO business. Simple as that.
Why? SE Cloaking / Stealth is slimy (Score:5, Informative)
IMO, they and many others deserve to be delisted for attempting to game the system. The only SE tactic more disgusting is spamming blogs for free pagerank boosts.
The best legit means to increase your rank is simply to have quality content that people WANT to link to, and which is intelligently marked up (e.g. use header tags for important stuff; not sliced up images that semantically mean nothing).
PageRank & Delisting are DIFFERENT. (Score:3, Informative)
The punishment is not the stripping of PR, but being delisted. There are no bmw.de pages in Google. The URL is not in Google.
PR is calculated by an algorithm. It has been reset to 0, but that is because the site has been DE-LISTED. It is 0 now, because the URL is not in Google.
When the site qualifies for reinclusion the site's PR will return to it's normal value. It is calculated by an algorithm on a computer, not a pen, paper and opinion.
Now, the relevance of PageRank.
PageRank is one of many deciding factors used to sort search results by relevancy. It is far from the only one, and if you use something like http://www.seochat.com/?tool=7&option=com_seotool
For instance, porn:
5 - 5 - 5 - 6 - 5 - 5 - 6 - 7 - 7 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 0 - 0 - 7 - 6 - 5 - 5 - 5 - 0
If PR was truly a critical factor, there would not be 3 pages with PR0 in the first 20 results, and PR5's would not dominate the results.
I'm disappointed that after 10 years Google can't write a spider that DOESN'T identify itself as GoogleBot and confirms that pages match what the spider sees. How hard could it possibly be to setup a few more spiders' whose sole job is to follow the real Googlebots and misidentify their UA to confirm what's been indexed?
Re:This is ridiculous behavior on Google's part. (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Although this seems "reasonable" in light of th (Score:3, Informative)
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/02/06/1139
It appears the BMW site was also referencing 'used cars' as well as new cars, and redirecting to their own site.
Sounds dodgy to me.
Re:Although this seems "reasonable" in light of th (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Although this seems "reasonable" in light of th (Score:5, Informative)
The thing is that the "doorway pages" were stuffed full of german keyword terms like "used cars" and the content was repeated over and over again, with only the model names substituted.
It is garbage. If BMW didn't like the fact that pages didn't work as designed, they should have redesigned them, not presented a totally different set of content to the search engine bots.
Also, you seem to suggest that Google was at fault because it couldn't index the content properly, when, in fact, no search engine could index the site as is as it was designed.
Matt Cutts has a screen cap on his blog -
http://www.mattcutts.com/blog/ramping-up-on-inter
Re:Although this seems "reasonable" in light of th (Score:3, Informative)
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/03/10/19342
Re:Although this seems "reasonable" in light of th (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Google != Microsoft, sorry (Score:5, Informative)
Actually, you can view the responses to atleast some of the questions on Expert Exchange. Just keep scrolling down past the several pages of ads and other crap. I still don't like the site though.
Re:Google != Microsoft, sorry (Score:2, Informative)
Re:No, Google is only dictating how you Do No Evil (Score:3, Informative)
Tell me, exactly where on that page do you see BMW.de?
I had some time to kill so I went through the results a bit
So, in the future, before you tell people to "stop whining", I suggest you make sure you aren't completely and utterly wrong.
Re:Although this seems "reasonable" in light of th (Score:5, Informative)
Sounds like fraud to me.
Re:Amazon.com's Page Rank is zero as well (Score:3, Informative)
$ telnet www.amazon.com 80
Trying 207.171.175.29...
Connected to www.amazon.com.
Escape character is '^]'.
HEAD / HTTP/1.0
HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 05:07:51 GMT
Server: Server
Set-Cookie: skin=; domain=.amazon.com; path=/; expires=Wed, 01-Aug-01 12:00:00 GMT
Location: http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/subst/home/home
Vary: Accept-Encoding,User-Agent
Connection: close
Content-Type: text/plain
Connection closed by foreign host.
Re:Why? SE Cloaking / Stealth is slimy (Score:3, Informative)
I've had to turn on full moderation of my blog comments due to this. There are the typical spams for illegal drugs and twisted sex, but more and more, recently, I'm seeing links to big name-brand companies.
What I don't know, though, is if these are
Re:Google's Flash Factor (Score:3, Informative)
You have found one of the problems. There are others, like accessability.
Now restyle your site so that it is not a flash-only site.
For example, you can add 'link' elements to the head section with rel=contents
or rel=chapter and others. This will give the search engine something to
follow, and the better browsers also use those links to build a site navigation
bar.
Re:Google != Microsoft, sorry (Score:4, Informative)
Re:No, Google is only dictating how you Do No Evil (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Although this seems "reasonable" in light of th (Score:4, Informative)
However, Google's #1 philosophy is:
Focus on the user and all else will follow. As witnessed here: http://www.google.com/corporate/tenthings.html [google.com]
Google's product is searching for the user. Advertisers simply dump money to them because of the prime real estate as a byproduct.
Re:No, Google is only dictating how you Do No Evil (Score:2, Informative)
Complaining (Score:2, Informative)
Re:Oh... (Score:2, Informative)
>bush. For what other reason would anyone be searching up "misreable failure"?.
>Google is providing the exact right response for what it's customers are
>looking for when they search that combonation of terms.
Perhaps, they might be using Google to check their spelling of "misreable failure" [google.com]. Or quite possibly using Google to find out that it is generally poor grammar to follow a question mark with a period at the end of a sentence. Or the poor wording of using "exact right response" rather than the somewhat better "exactly right response" or simply "exact response" or "right response". Or perhaps studying up on the grammatical differences between its and it's. Or, possibly, checking the spelling of combonation [google.com].
Re:Fraud? Seriously... (Score:3, Informative)
New car dealers generally sell used cars of various makes but can only offer "certified pre-owned" cars of the make the dealer sells new. So a Ford dealer may sell used Chevrolets, Saabs and Toyotas but the only "certified pre-owned" used cars it will sell will be Fords.
Re:The 'blogosphere (Score:2, Informative)