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Opera 9 with Widgets and BitTorrent Now Available 385

ZarK writes "Technical Preview 2 of the upcoming Opera 9.0 browser is now available for download. In addition to the general bugfix and rendering improvements there's also new features, like x-platform type widgets, improved content blocking, bittorrent support, thumbnail preview of tabs and more. Improved functionality also comes in the fact that a good lot of the scripts from userscripts.org will now work, advanced settings have improved in opera:config, and more browser customization is available at the opera community. However, some clear indications that this is still an alpha release is the experimental support for NTLM which breaks the proxy functionality for some users, and the fact that widgets are always on top."
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Opera 9 with Widgets and BitTorrent Now Available

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  • by Mrs. Grundy ( 680212 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @01:34AM (#14667191) Homepage
    Well, I've got to admit, my knee-jerk reaction to this was so what. The main browsers are already so intrenched in my habits, from the way I author html to my day-to-day use of the browser that it is unlikely I will care about another application unless it captures a significant share of the market thus forcing me to care about any quirks it may have in behavior and compliance to standards. But after reading the list of features, I find myself thinking I might be interested in some of them. Site-specific prefs are an interesting idea; A torrent client would be handy; the ability to change the default search engine is nice too. It looks like I'll try it out.
  • The best. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @01:39AM (#14667224)
    Glad to hear it. For my money, this is the best browser living. And I say that as a Mac user who has windows of Safari and Firefox and Camino open all day. Not to mention the occassional foray into Shiira, Icab, and IE for page testing.

    I always had the idea that Operants were people with too much time and money on their hands. But when it went free, I grabbed it right away, and after figuring out some of the frustrating GUI anomalies, I've never looked back. I haven't opened anything else since on my ancient night box, which was running close to crippled with my previous #1, Firefox (memory leaks, I guess, is the rumor).

  • I give it an A+. (Score:5, Interesting)

    by CyricZ ( 887944 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @01:41AM (#14667233)
    I've been using the FreeBSD release today, and my gosh, does it ever fly! It doesn't feel as responsive as Konqueror, but it still is a fantastic browser.

    The email client is vastly improved, and it feels much quicker than in previous releases. It was quite quick at listing my 1800 MB mailbox, and it's now possible to scroll through the entries at a rapid pace without delay.

    The opera:config feature is quite nice, and presented very well. It's far nicer to view than the comparable about:config capabilities of Firefox, yet just as easy to locate and modify preferences.

    Overall, this release is an improvement over the last, while still retaining the small size and high responsiveness that Opera is known for. I give it an A+.

  • by saskboy ( 600063 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @01:45AM (#14667256) Homepage Journal
    I agree, I've thought for over a year that the first browser to incorporate native BT downloading into itself, so that someone could just click a link and start downloading a torrent without having to download the client/server program first, would make it big on the web very soon.
    Now if only websites had a way to offer a BT version of their download files, so that they'll never get Slashdotted again...
  • I like it.. (Score:1, Interesting)

    by techefnet ( 634210 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @01:49AM (#14667273) Homepage
    This is good. I like it that corporates take use of the BitTorrent technology. Now if only Opera became opensource, I could maybe consider take use of it. *g* Heh, nah. Only problem is that it does not have builds for any recent versions of my distro (Slackware). The one I found worked a while, then it started segfaulting when I tried to go to websites.
  • by piper-noiter ( 772438 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @01:58AM (#14667314) Journal

    For the most part if your code is up to standards it looks fine in opera. 90% of the time it renders like Mozilla. Opera is not making the designers job harder. It's closer than most to passing the Acid 2 test.

    I'm already trying it out. Full of more great stuff, as one expects. They smoothed out a lot of the features they added in Preview 1 and added so much more.

    I heard reports of problems with upgrading so I did a clean install and spent the afternoon adding my custom buttons and changing my search options. (I no longer have to use 3rd party tools to change them)

    Between custom buttons, panels, and widgets I think Opera can now easily do anything a Firefox extension can do.

  • by citizenc ( 60589 ) <cary&glidedesign,ca> on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @02:01AM (#14667330) Journal
    Question: why has Opera managed to incorporate Bittorrent support into their browser, yet the only torrent plugins for Firefox are in a horrendous state of pre-development? WTF is going on here?
  • by chowsapal ( 945532 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @02:02AM (#14667343)
    The Opera preview is very nice, and they've done very nice work packaging it up. You can download it just about any way you'd want it.. deb's, rpm's, etc. I like the preview of the tab when you hold your pointer over it. I like the built-in mouse gestures. They've implemented Ctrl-Enter to complete www.***.com's (though Ctrl-Shift-Enter and Shift-Enter don't do .org or .net), Ctrl-T now makes a new tab just like Ctrl-N. My only complaints at this point are the fonts/default interface and the format for reading RSS. I love Firefox's drop-down live bookmarks. I don't want to switch to a mail-reader type page to check headlines, and I've never been into the sidebar. I've heard complaints about Firefox's implementation of RSS, but I think it's spot on. Firefox with extensions does everything I want. Opera comes sooo close to having all the features I want even without extensions, but the default UI feels congested and I can't filter my news the way I want to. If I wanted to read news in a mail reader I'd subscribe to email lists. Here's to hoping the final version fixes some of this.
  • back/forward (Score:2, Interesting)

    by newr00tic ( 471568 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @02:51AM (#14667513) Journal
    I can't even imagine how Firefox users can stand the inferior back/forward navigation buttons, and how much delay they present.

    With Opera, (pre 9.x, even,) you just click back, and the previous page jumps right up; fully rendered and ready. --With Firefox, you have to wait, and get to listen to the processor throttling up, as if this was Java 1.2 on Win95..

    Firef*cks be gone..
  • by piper-noiter ( 772438 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @03:02AM (#14667552) Journal
    Yeah I'm not afraid of the .ini files, but Opera Search.ini Editor (Op6sed) [opera-info.xorg.pl] made it a heck of a lot easier to get the correct search link, and set up short cuts.
  • Re:Already there (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Schraegstrichpunkt ( 931443 ) * on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @03:16AM (#14667592) Homepage
    It's probably because Opera's UI isn't driven by XML and JavaScript.
  • Cookie control? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by nfarrell ( 127850 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @03:36AM (#14667663)
    After quickly looking through v9 I can't see how you can set the default lifetime for cookies to the current session. Sure, there's a nice interface for viewing current cookies, but for me this is a showstopper. Too many sites use cookies to operate, and I'm happy to have them track me for a few minutes, but not between sessions.

    Still, competition is good, and this is certainly good competition.
  • by NoMoreNicksLeft ( 516230 ) <john.oylerNO@SPAMcomcast.net> on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @03:37AM (#14667665) Journal
    My own disgust at IE led me to Mozilla years ago. I was reluctant to try Firefox at first, but that switch was pleasant. I never really tried Opera though, until recently.

    You see, I'm working on a website that will never be usable in IE. IE is too primitive, and broken. It can't handle xml mime types, and won't even in IE7. It can't do SVG natively, and I don't feel like wrapping all my many SVG widgets in object tags and writing code for a bad Adobe plugin. And besides, people should just plain be discouraged from ever using IE.

    SVG though is important to the website, I suppose I could use something gay like flash or java, but I really wanted this to be a pure site. I thought that it would mean that it was Firefox only. Some friends chided me into trying to make it work with Opera and Konq though...

    And I was shocked. Opera 8 gets alot of the non-interactive SVG right. Better yet, the Opera 9 beta gets alot of it right, period. And the places where it's screwed up? Bad syntax on my part, that Firefox ignores but that Opera is (rightfully) bitchy about. I won't start using Opera 9, but there's no reason why others shouldn't. It kicks ass.

    (And as for Konq, things are looking good. It did the non-interactive SVG really well, and Konqueror 4 looks like it will do just as well as the other two. Still waiting on Safari, but I think it will soon be pretty good itself)

    But for IE, we might never need browser specific hackery at all.
  • by Elitist_Phoenix ( 808424 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @03:55AM (#14667737)
    This was released yesterday, you could have gotten it from snapshot.opera.com This is also when I submitted the story using the new browser wth links to the change log. Though it seems you only get stories posted by Scuttlemonkey if you have a paypal account.

    2006-02-07 13:35:26 New Opera Preview Out (Index,Software) (rejected)
  • by QRDeNameland ( 873957 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @03:59AM (#14667756)

    I downloaded the stable Opera 8.5 a few days ago, and I have to say (as a current Firefox on Windows user) that Opera has an awful lot going for it. It's fast and seems a lot less bloated and quirky than Firefox, plus I've been finding a few features I really like.

    But the one issue that kind of blows it for me is the page zooming. I happen to be one of the many people who due to eyesight issues often increase the browser's text size. One thing I love about Firefox over IE is that it has an easy hot key to up the text size (Ctrl-+). In Opera, there only seems to "Zoom", which although it has a greater amount of control, has the unfortunate behavior of stretching the graphics in proprotion to the text (FF and IE leave the graphics at their regular size no matter what the text size is). While I can appreciate that idea in theory, in practice most web graphics are simply not designed to scale that way, and the result is that if you want to browse with enlarged text (which I often do), you have to suffer with ugly, pixelated, and often overlapping images. Not to mention that the text itself renders oddly in many zoom levels. And there doesn't seem to be any option to change it.

    It's bad enough that I think the vast majority of people who use enlarged text would reject Opera because of it. And that's a shame because Opera has so much else going for it.

  • Re:Already there (Score:2, Interesting)

    by a.d.trick ( 894813 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @04:39AM (#14667895) Homepage
    Mabye all the functionality you want, but not all the functionality that Iwant. That said, it is a pretty nice browser and one that I'd definitly recommend.
  • by Snaller ( 147050 ) on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @04:52AM (#14667943) Journal
    Why would you ever use that? Surely a standalone client offers more flexiblity? Its just more bloat in a browser.

    (And personally I wouldn't want to use Bittorrent given a choice, because its so slow - but thats a different story)
  • by David Horn ( 772985 ) <david@pockRABBIT ... minus herbivore> on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @09:10AM (#14668684) Homepage
    If I get on a well seeded torrent and set the upstream bandwidth to a reasonable level (30KBps), within ten minutes I'll be downloading at the full capacity of my 10mbit cable connection. Not sure how you can call it slow, unless you're after movies or something.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 08, 2006 @10:12AM (#14669042)
    I think it is a extreme that people try to imagine a great browser war and always forecast a doom for one or another browser, when it is really an on-going healthy competition among various browsers.

    Opera doesn't have to be an IE/Mozilla killer. And there seems to be a sizable percentage of Mozilla zealots who can't accept that viable alteratives to their personally preferred software exist, though I don't think this is the majority by far, and feel the need to bash Opera.

    How many times have I been flamed for even mentioning Opera over the years just to have some Mozilla zealot try to preach to me about features that Opera already has. (At least now a good portion are now aware that Opera also has tabs.)

    Again, this isn't every Mozilla zealot who hates on Opera, but the ones who do are often the loudest (read: obnoxious).

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