Tim Bray Says RELAX

twofish writes to tell us that Sun's Tim Bray (co-editor of XML and the XML namespace specifications) has posted a blog entry suggesting RELAX NG be used instead of the W3C XML Schema. From the blog: "W3C XML Schemas (XSD) suck. They are hard to read, hard to write, hard to understand, have interoperability problems, and are unable to describe lots of things you want to do all the time in XML. Schemas based on Relax NG, also known as ISO Standard 19757, are easy to write, easy to read, are backed by a rigorous formalism for interoperability, and can describe immensely more different XML constructs."

Don't do it.

[Anonymous Coward]

When you want to come.

To the point.

[jhd]

"W3C XML Schemas (XSD) suck"

Hey Tim, don't hold back, tell us what you really think.

Re:Don't do it.

[Loconut1389]

I tried to tag the article with frankiegoestohollywood,zoolander,killthemalaysianp rimeminister but it didn't all fit ;)

I agree!

[Maddog787]

I refuse to use XML in any shape way or form no matter what anyone say or does with it!!!

Re:Couldn't agree more

[camperdave]

RELAXiNG works for me too.

COBOL Totally Rocks - All of it!

[Anonymous Coward]

"I may be old school, working with flat files and all for over 20 years, but I do work with a lot of newer technology."

Well I'm your counterpart in India and I'm happy to hear you're having problems getting use to newer technologies. Keep up the good work.

Re:MyXML scheme (sucks too)

[Pulse_Instance]

it would work but only if you express your idea like this

1. Post ingenious scheme on Wikipedia
2. Proclaim international standard
3. ...
4. Profit!!!

XSD: "Mission Accomplished!"

[SimHacker]

From the xml-dev [xml.org] mailing list:

From: Rick Jelliffe
To: [e-mail]
Date: Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:46:06 +1100

Robert Koberg wrote:

I wonder if the people who think RNG won have "Re-elect Gore" bumper stickers...

Maybe a better analogy would be that the people who say that XSD is lovely is Mr Bush's "Mission Accomplished!"

Though of course there are differences between Iraq and XSD. One seems to be about people with their own fiefdom agendas stubbornly miring us in a quagmire, using a grabbag of thin reasons to justify it, denying any evidence that things are not rosy, perpetually promising that things are turning around, and enmeshing all sorts of decent people in a life of horror, difficulty and with no confidence in accomplishing the mission. The other is in the Middle East.

Just joking...
Rick

Re:Relax NG's compact non-XML syntax

[Anonymous Coward]

Stop cutting and pasting from your fucking blog already. Make your point without it, or if you need to, then link to it.

Re:Relax NG.

[SeaFox]

Mono has complete support for RelaxNG in the form of the Commons.Xml.Relaxng assembly.

So should the lesson here be to "RELAX if you have MONO"?

Re:Maximizing Composability and Relax NG Trivia

[heinousjay]

Thanks for the Java flame. I was worried that there wouldn't be any offtopic ranting in this story, but you eased my worries just a few comments into it.