Vista an Uneasy Sleeper 395
Emmy King writes "
Anytime you attempt to wake Vista up from Hibernation or "Deep Sleep" (S3-induced sleep mode), it dies. It's either a BSOD, or a driver error, or a broken network, no DWM, lack of sound... the list goes on, and on. So much for an operating system to "power" the future! (No pun intended!) That's with properly-signed drivers and no buggy software on multiple PCs..."One thing we just can't wrap our mind about is the terrible, broken, and completely pitiful support for waking Vista up from a Deep Sleep or hibernation.
Re:Linux (Score:1, Informative)
S3 is not hibernate/deep sleep. (Score:5, Informative)
Screw Ups (Score:4, Informative)
Blame ACPI, not Vista (Score:5, Informative)
Now it is worth noting that MS themselves contributed to the development of this specification. The cynical side of me believes that confounding the competition by way of impenetrable specifications is simply Microsoft's modis operandi. Look at Microsoft's OpenXML specification for example: while in theory it meets the European requirement for documenting file formats and protocols, in practice it's ~6,000 pages will certainly confound all but the most determined attempts at interoperability. But here's the rub: Microsoft has to eat their own dog food, and they are suffering the consequences. Microsoft's operating system and applications are becoming so piggish that even Microsoft can't manage them.
Re:Why are you even putting it in sleep mode (Score:3, Informative)
It might be the end of the day, time to go home, huggle the wife and get some sleep and stuff? Nice to have everything the way you when tomorrow morning.comes. Or your server might need replacing the UPS. Hibernate is one easy way to get this done.
Just guessing, of course. I use hibernation every day with my Debian laptop.
Re:Huh? (Score:3, Informative)
I wasn't planning on laptop installs anyway (Score:2, Informative)
How many times do you test before calling it truth (Score:5, Informative)
Re:S3 is not hibernate/deep sleep. (Score:5, Informative)
Questions about sleeping (Score:2, Informative)
What happens with network applications (take google earth as an example - it connects and logs in at program start)?
How about a domain?
What happens if you go to sleep on one domain and wake up plugged into another?
What happens when you wake up outside the login hours?
What happens if your server slot is taken for an application (because you disconnected and someone else took it)?
What happens if you are editing a networked (word etc) document at the time, can people edit it whilst you are asleep?
Will your application pick up where it left off or display the edited document?
Its things like this which prevent us from recommending sleep or hibernate to our clients.
If the hibernate just allows the core OS to be brought up without problems then that doesn't help people who use their computers too much.
Apparently ... (Score:2, Informative)
Anyhow, I've been running Vista RC1 since it was released (and the beta before that) and never had a problem with the sleep function. Other problems, yes, but none with sleep and none so bad I'd complain about them (mostly my preferences vs. Microsoft's, predictable stuff like that).
In fact, I was just telling my wife the other day (she just melts when I talk sweet to her like this) that the sleep/hibernate function in Vista is so much more stable than it used to be that I haven't actually had my laptop all the way off in a few weeks -- I just open and close it as needed, and it wakes right back up and grabs whatever network it sees. I never had this work so well with XP or W2K.
MSDN (Score:3, Informative)
My Experience is Completely the Opposite (Score:3, Informative)
The OP makes it sound like their experience applies to everyone, so I have to call FUD on this.
At any rate, I have zero problems with these features, using Vista Home Ultimate 64 bit.
Only in the *final* (Score:2, Informative)
Throughout the beta, Deep Sleep in Windows Vista went great. [...] But in the final version of Windows Vista, something is very, very majorly wrong.
The problem is in the final version only, not a beta. This wasn't mentioned in the Slashdot summary, though, which could have saved confusion for those that don't RTFA.
Re:How hard can it be? (Score:3, Informative)
I'll assume you wanted an answer.
Hardware was designed with W2K and XP as their development test cases, and was specifically made to work with those OSes. XP is only an incremental update over W2K (ver 5.1 from 5.0), whereas Vista is a complete rewrite in many areas. So they code power management according to the spec, such that all ACPI-compliant devices will work, then they make tweaks and exceptions for all the non-compliant hardware later on.
I had the same problems you had in when I was running the the public Beta, but they went away in RC1. Hardware support is still under heavy development, and the January release will be significantly improved in that area over the official RTM.
Re:Dude, just buy a fucking Mac (Score:1, Informative)
"In Windows Vista, 'Stand By' and 'Hibernate' have been combined into an additional 'Sleep' function which is active by default. When chosen, this new 'Sleep" mode saves information from the computer's memory to the hibernation file on disk, but instead of turning off the computer, it simultaneously enters Standby mode. After a specified amount of time (3 hours by default), it shuts down (hibernates). If power is lost during Standby mode, the system resumes from the existing hibernate image on disk. Sleep mode, thus, offers the benefits of fast suspend and resume when in Standby mode and reliability when resuming from hibernation, in case of power loss."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Features_new_to_Wind
Works for me syndrome... (Score:3, Informative)
but it sounds to me like this is a classic case of "not enough research"
A rather funny comment coming from someone who presumably tested one system and found it to work, so therefore all systems must work.
The article mentions that the author had problems with "deep sleep" on 6 of 8 systems.
So he's obviously not making the claim that hiberate/Deep Sleep is broken on ALL systems, since there were two he tested that worked correctly. 6 out of 8 is a pretty bad track record though, so it's likely that a significant amount of people are going to have problems with this feature. It's not a huge sample either, so maybe he's just unlucky enough to own systems where this feature doesn't work properly. I DO think it's a quite nice "heads up" to know about before before Vista becomes mainstream though.
I guess I can't be terribly surprised that hibernate/sleep is still broken though. It doesn't work properly under Windows 2000 on my circa 2002 desktop computer, but worked just fine on my Circa 1999 laptop.
Re:S3 is not hibernate/deep sleep. (Score:4, Informative)
http://www.almaer.com/blog/archives/001182.html [almaer.com]
Pop open a terminal, type in
sudo pmset -a hibernatemode 0
and your MB will go back to suspend only. Replace the 0 with a 1 and you're in the (default) hibernate only mode. Use a 3 and the MBP will do as I described, suspending but also writing everything to disk so it can resume if it loses power.
Re:Questions about sleeping (Score:2, Informative)