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Military Tech for Daily Life 234

PreacherTom writes "It is nothing new to see technology from military and governmental endeavors change daily life profoundly. One only has to look at the fruits of the space program (from computers to microwave ovens to Tang). New military gear is on the horizon that promises to do the same, including biosensors, bandages that clot blood using soundwaves, and the ubiquitous Swiss Army Pen."
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Military Tech for Daily Life

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  • by Upaut ( 670171 ) on Wednesday December 20, 2006 @10:32PM (#17321112) Homepage Journal
    Man, I hope this trickles down (Affordably) to the masses. Anything that hardens on impact would be great for those of us that attend protests. Its not so much the bullets and stabbing that worries me, but the savage beatings that we recieve. Though having protection is good when some rookie decides to fire rubber bullets into the crowd. Hasn't happened to me yet, but with how peacful protesters are being treated, its only a matter of time.
  • by Guinness Pig ( 1042288 ) on Wednesday December 20, 2006 @10:39PM (#17321150)
    Okay, let's not get carried away with paranoia about what the military is capable of. Do you really think they need to create something to send concentrated ultrasonic waves to cause a lethal blood clot? What, are you expecting Corollas with big ass woofers blaring Ludacris to make an appearance on the battlefield? They don't need to make blood clots to kill people. Perfectly mundane things like bullets, missiles and various projectile explosives work perfectly fine to mess up someone's day. I spent six years in the military, and you give them far too much credit. They ain't that clever.
  • by jd ( 1658 ) <imipak@yahoGINSBERGo.com minus poet> on Wednesday December 20, 2006 @10:46PM (#17321206) Homepage Journal
    Often when you hear people talk about device X increasing the power of something, they are really not talking about power at all. Power (as in energy x time) is not something you'd really have a whole lot of control over unless you did have a horribly large, heavy, vulnerable, probably highly explosive power source strapped on.


    More effective use of power for the purpose intended is something you see virtually everywhere - gears, levers, springs, virtually all mechanical devices that have ever existed are all simply ways of putting in the same amount but utilizing it better. I imagine the exoskeletal armor is no different - it might conserve energy that you'd otherwise lose, reducing the impact of varying speed or incline. If it's really good, it might be able to convert some of the energy it absorbs from impacts into energy available for you to use. It might eliminate variations in ground level, reducing the effort involved in moving over rough terrain. But really there's not much more it can do than that.


    (Well, if the US military has got Tesla's theories to work, I guess they could power the suit remotely, so eliminating the need for portable power. On the other hand, if they were at that point, they really wouldn't need exoskeletal armor - or indeed soldiers. You'd just hook a Tesla coil to a microwave fillament and boil your opponents from long range.)

  • by theshowmecanuck ( 703852 ) on Wednesday December 20, 2006 @11:02PM (#17321328) Journal
    I know a lot of guitarists use it to fix a split fingernail or a hangnail. It works well. Slap a bunch on to an inflamed hangnail or a cut and you can play painless in no time. Just remember to wait a few minutes till it is really dry or you'll be bending that note all night.
  • by GodfatherofSoul ( 174979 ) on Wednesday December 20, 2006 @11:27PM (#17321508)
    Waiting for the ideologue posts about how big government spending can never do any good, and never any better than private industry...
  • by 2ms ( 232331 ) on Wednesday December 20, 2006 @11:38PM (#17321564)
    The good side of military spending is that, other than during times of war, the fraction of the money that goes to the military for having troops around and building few hundred tanks every once in a while is tiny compared to the amount of money that goes toward science, research, technology. For every troop that is getting paid to be on base, the military is probably putting food on the tables of 30 researchers or engineers to develop new technologies. For example, lets say the military gets a new model of tank. Well, the cost of actual steel, plastic, computer chips, etc that constitute the tanks that are produced themselves are really nothing compared to the amount of money that went into advancing technologies and employing engineers. A B2 bomber costs a couple billion because incredible science and technology had to be realized in order to make the plane possible. Like 20 of them or something were ever to be actually made. That price doesn't reflect the sum of the physical components and labor of assembling them, but rather, the price tag reflects the amount of engineering and science work that had to be done to realize the level of technology necessary for the existence of such a plane.

    The bright side of military spending is that most of that money basically goes to putting food on the tables of tens of thousands of engineers in our country. With labor costs so high and manufacturing going to everywhere in the world other than our own country, technology is our stock-in-trade. As it turns out, the structure of the govt sponsoring military technology programs with a long-term and unified approach in contrast to the much more duplicative and reactive, smaller investments for shorter-term results, approach seen in the development of technology only in the hands of individual companies reacting to market pressures method, has been very fruitful indeed.
  • by KillerBob ( 217953 ) on Thursday December 21, 2006 @12:04AM (#17321734)
    I draw your attention to the big yellow arrow on rocket launchers that you point at the enemy?

    We get some pretty cool toys in the army, but it's all designed so that you can use it when you're being shot at after having had 15 minutes of sleep in the last week. Just because it's designed for idiots doesn't mean that the folks designing it are idiots. Actually, they're pretty brilliant, IMO... why bother developing a super-expensive way to kill somebody that centralizes your killing power in one spot when a 5.56x45 FMJ round costs less than $0.30 and kills them just as dead? When the bad guys develop armour that can safely protect them from everything we use on the battlefield, you'll start seeing new ways of killing people being developed. Until then, it's a waste of money.
  • by Profound ( 50789 ) on Thursday December 21, 2006 @01:44AM (#17322206) Homepage
    But what about all of the cool things we miss out on that those "tens of thousands of engineers" could make or invent if they weren't coming up with new ways to kill people?
  • by Dun Malg ( 230075 ) on Thursday December 21, 2006 @01:52AM (#17322238) Homepage

    ...if they could do the same thing without the whole "killing" part?

    I read something about how wonderful the advancements in prosthetics the past few years have been. I even saw a kid of 20 or 22 at the airport carrying a big green duffle bag unassisted, though he had artificial legs and a prosthetic arm and the unmistakable look of a soldier.

    Just spend the money. Declare it to be a National Technological Development Something-or-other and so and spend the money on research that doesn't come at such a high cost.

    Honestly, that shit is heartbreaking.
    The money gets spent on research whether there's a war on or not. The difference is that war provides real-life test cases to advance and refine things beyond the theoretical. War is the dark cloud, advancements in prosthetics and lifesaving technology are the silver lining. Progress in handling unpleasant things like dismemberment comes from experience handling unpleasant things like dismemberment. Like it or not, humans are vicious. We always have been. You don't get to the top of the food chain by being a a bunch of happy fluffy bunnies.
  • by networkBoy ( 774728 ) on Thursday December 21, 2006 @02:19AM (#17322378) Journal
    you are obviously not an acoustical engineer...
    not even an advanced amateur.

    Example:
    Take an untrasound of a pregnant woman, pretty cool. move the transducer 1mm away from her abdomen, nothing.
    This cuff works basically the same way. A weapon would have to work in a predominately similar way.
    -nB

    Oh, and even if it would work all cool like you speculate, you'd still need to aim it, else the freindly fire aspect will *suck*.
  • by Jah-Wren Ryel ( 80510 ) on Thursday December 21, 2006 @03:19AM (#17322580)
    Considering how little soldiers get paid (starting at $1,204 per month), and how much engineers get paid (~$3,500 per month starting), you start wondering who the Defense Department's priorities are...

    Most of my clients are defense contractors, which, I guess makes me a defense contractor. Anyway, around this time of year they like to put on a show of doing donation-drives "for the troops." They tend to fall into two categories - getting "comfort items" (like tons of instant coffee and phone card minutes to call home with) for troops in the field and getting necessities (like food and children's clothing) for their families at home.

    Its blatantly obvious that management at these companies is doing the drives to appear patriotic and weasel into the good graces of their customer, so blatant that I can't believe it works. But even worse, to me it seems like a terrible state of affairs because it is tantamount to saying that our government can't provision our troops with something as basic as enough coffee and they don't pay our troops enough to feed and clothe their families.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 21, 2006 @03:29AM (#17322608)
    Actually, the 5.56x45, as well as its 5.45x39 Soviet counterpart, is designed to wound more than it is to kill.
    Wounds remove more people from battle than do kills.
  • by kfg ( 145172 ) on Thursday December 21, 2006 @08:15AM (#17323622)
    ...which is a bit early to be a space program spin-off.

    Yes. I did not make it terribly clear when I was talking about the space age stuff and just plain old military stuff.

    Much of what we think of as space age stuff is really air age stuff, circa WWII, most of which was at least already on the drawing boards before WWII.

    You can tell the true space age stuff by its use of, well, space, and its use semiconductors (a civilian invention) to make it possible/practical. A "portable" radio used to be the size of a microwave oven and had no memory.

    KFG
  • by giorgiofr ( 887762 ) on Thursday December 21, 2006 @09:05AM (#17323818)
    Yet you think weapons must be banned. Oh the irony.
  • by ofcourseyouare ( 965770 ) * on Thursday December 21, 2006 @09:15AM (#17323904)
    Yes, because by simply spending enough money you can repeal the laws of physics.
    Well, that was the theory behind the Strategic Defense Initiative, wasn't it? ; )
  • by mr_mischief ( 456295 ) on Thursday December 21, 2006 @12:58PM (#17326140) Journal
    You mean besides sanitation? And roads? And the aquaduct? ;-)

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