YouTube Blocked in Brazil

keeboo writes "The popular video sharing site YouTube is now blocked in Brazil due to a local court decision last Thursday. The site was ordered to block the uploaded sex videos of Brazilian media starlet Daniela Cicarelli and, although it complied, many users kept re-uploading it to the site. After the failure of YouTube to keep the video off of the site, the domain was blocked nationwide at a DNS level. Predictably, many Brazilians are annoyed and I've started to receive even SPAMs protesting on this blocking. From the article: 'The case now goes automatically to a three-member panel of judges who will decide whether to make the order permanent and whether to fine YouTube as much as US$119,000 (euro91,000) for each day the video was viewable, said Rubens Decousseau Tilkian.'"

Re:The inevietable obligatory question.

[wo1verin3]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4716813824 493964077&q=Daniela+Cicarelli [google.com]

Re:Not so sure...

[srgvie]

Yes, I'm in Brazil and I can access youtube normally.

Re:Funny

[42Penguins]

I find it damn funny that a foreign country seems to think that it has power over a US company.

I find it damn funny that a US company seems to think it has power over a foreign country.Examples: Take your pick from EA, Microsoft, **AA, and any of the other US entities that have tried suing The Pirate Bay.

Re:Work around?

[The MAZZTer]

http://www.opendns.com/

Silly politicians, thinking they can block by hostname and keep the server inaccessable...

Only effective way to do it is by IP, and then you have to be sure to watch for IP changes.

Re:If the internet works as advertised

[jrockway]

www.youtube.com has address 208.65.153.251
www.youtube.com has address 208.65.153.253
www.youtube.com has address 208.65.153.241
www.youtube.com has address 208.65.153.242
www.youtube.com has address 208.65.153.245

Re:Funny

[Quzak]

Exactly, the door swings both ways. Parties in CountryA shouldnt beable to sue Parties in CountryB. Since we are not in a One World Government, it would only cause diplomatic problems and anamosity for all parties involved both directly and indirectly.

Re:Funny

[DeKO]

Some interesting points:

I'm accessing youtube from Brazil right now. The judge's decision was not clear as to wheter only the video be censored for Brazil, or the whole site be blocked. Cicarelli's lawyer seems to think that the whole site should be blocked from all the 8 backbones that serve internet connectivity to Brazil. Nobody else seems to interpret the judge's decision that way. This issue will be clarified monday.

Renato Malzoni Filho is from a very rich and influent family (go figure). They are in fact fighting against any common sense, everybody in the media is saying how absurd is to try to block a whole site in the whole country. It could backfire. In fact, it already did; everyone in Brazil is downloading said video from other sources just because it was on the news.

The video is pretty boring, there are much more hardcore stuffs on brazilian dramas.

Re:If the internet works as advertised

[The MAZZTer]

For Windows users, the quick and dirty way to make use of these would be to add one to your C:\Windows\system32\drivers\etc\hosts file. It's plain text so open it in Notepad or something. There's some documentation included in it. Changes take effect immediately once you save the file.

Re:If the internet works as advertised

[Mr2001]

4.2.2.2 is a good, easy-to-remember DNS server.

Non-authoritative answer:
Name: www.youtube.com
Addresses: 208.65.153.245, 208.65.153.251, 208.65.153.253, 208.65.153.241
                    208.65.153.242

Re:If the internet works as advertised

[aka.Daniel'Z]

Thats what I did, but it didn't work, as you can see in my other post (sibling to yours). I can't even ping or telnet (port 80) to one of the IPs. Seems the traffic is blocked.

Re:The inevietable obligatory question.

[oddsends]

Keytimes:
2:26
4:07

It was pretty obvious what was going on in the water. (that's probably why they went in the water)

Re:Work around?

[andreum]

No, it was not a DNS block. Brasil Telecom (serving south, center-west and part of the north) blocked it, probably using route or packet filters against youtube IP addresses.

There was a judge that ordered the video down and the remedy was decided by a justice from a state supreme court. Only it seems that the justice thought that he was ordering only the video down, because it seems he was told that carriers would just have to implement filters, which they are capable of doing (they are). According to an interview he gave, he thinks that those filters would only block that video.

I wrote about that in my crappy vox blog here [vox.com].

They haven't grasped the concept of "Internet"...

[Anonymous Coward]

Information spreads. Mirrors [xtremes.net] are available.

Re:Work around?

[odasnac]

at the moment, getting to the site is irrelevant; it seems youtube doesn't want to search on 'cicarelli': http://youtube.com/results?search_query=cicarelli& search=Search [youtube.com]

uh, i was checking for research purposes.

Brazilian Media says the blacklist is not true

[origamy]

According to the Brazilian media, the local courts have only asked Youtube to remove the video. There is no DNS blacklist or anything like that.

Read yourself (in Portuguese) at Folha de Sao Paulo [uol.com.br] or, use Google Translator [google.com] to translate it.

"The version of that all the YouTube would have of being removed of air arrived to be propagated by some Brazilian sites and international agencies in the thursday, but it was contradicted by the Court of Justice. Justice only determined that the YouTube hinders the propagation it video with Daniela Cicarelli."

Re:Work around?

[missy_diamond]

Well, it doesn't seem to be blocked. I'm in Brazil and I'm seeing videos on YouTube right now.

Re:The inevietable obligatory question.

[Optic7]

Those are mosquitos that transmit Dengue Fever [wikipedia.org], which is a tropical disease. They spoofed it as a PSA against mosquitos. Toward the middle of the clip, once they get in the water, they put up title cards saying "Dengue mosquitos reproduce in the water", "Don't leave any standing water around", etc, etc. Pretty funny. At first I was wondering WTF? But once the title cards came on it all made sense - they run actual PSAs there telling people not to leave standing water in their yards (in plant vases, etc) to control the mosquito population.

So...

[Runefox]

Why not just use Google Translate [google.ca] to "translate" Youtube?

Quite simple, really. Not sure if Youtube's videos will work (which would make it a useless workaround), but translating from (for example) Chinese Simplified to English will usually ensure you get non-altered text (it being a different character set the engine's looking for and all. You could also technically use one of the following IP's if it's just blocked at the domain level (Youtube's linking seems to be all relative):

208.65.153.242
208.65.153.245
208.65.153.251
208.65.153.253
208.65.153.241

And then there's the obligatory mention of Tor [eff.org].

Yes, I also realize that my first method is cruelly aligned to anglophones.

its not blocked

[aod7br]

YouTube Its not blocked (just checked again) and this whole thread is a waste of time.
Cicarelli lawyers said bullshit as it would block google in Brazil, of course court order dimissed it and just asked google to comply.

Re:The inevietable obligatory question.

[Buran]

Bzzt, link broken, thank you for playing, please try again.

What, this video?

[SaDan]

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-288357888 4249066267&q=Daniela+Cicarelli [google.com]

Why, what, where, who, when

[synthespian]

You see, the thing is Brazil has an extremely convoluted legal jungle. It inherited this Portuguese culture of a love for all things legally convoluted and impenetrable. When Portugal colonized Brazil, for quite sometime the ruling elite was made of pretty much a bunch of aristocratic good-for-nothing lawyers/slackers that graduated from Coimbra University, in Portugal. The basic characteristic of such people were a basic lack of common sense as well as a despise for work. Instead of working, they made laws. And more laws. I mean, Portugal is notorious for having discovered America and then having ended up owing a huge amount of money to the Brits, as foreign debt, losing all the gold they had amassed, right? From that point on, they were basically a fishing village (until they joined the E.U.)

In Brazil, there have been over 3,510,804 norms and regulations published in the last 18 years alone. This averages 534 per day or 783 per work day (source,in Portuguese, here [ibpt.com.br]) (If you read Spanish, you read Portugese). Any corporation in Brazil is bound to have a gigantic body of lawyers. The whole system is about to collapse, but there's no sign of a legal reform. There are too many laws, and too many stupid decisions. Until recently, it was possible to maneuver in legal waters to a point that even trivial matters went to the Supreme Court. By trivial, I mean a dog biting the neighbour. Can you even imagine that in the U.S of A.? Also, judges here have too much power, it would seem. Even when they are complete and utter imbecils, as seems to be the case. Were I on a Brazilian blog, BTW, I would not dare say I thought the judge was an imbecil, though.

Also, there is such a thing in the civil code as "the right to one's own image." This means that you have the right to control the use of your image. However, it would seem that fucking in a public beach, when you are a celebrity of sorts would preclude to right to pledge the right to such right. Am I being clear? I mean, there have been all sorts of pornographic interpretation of individual rights. I recently witnessed a complete douchebag seriously threaten with a lawsuit a list moderator. The guy had been expelled because of bad behaviour, but he went on to take legal action on the ground his "right to expression" was being denied. I bet he's got a 50-50 chance of pulling it off, too. All sorts of weird shit like this in Brazil. Another fun one was a judge ruling spam was ok, because it didn't "waste any material resources" (that was circa 1996, though). Oh, yeah, and the Brazilian Constitution does not grant you the right to express yourslef anonymously. Huh.

There have been cases, for instance, of cartoonists being sued because of portraying politicians in what was judged to be "excessive" ridicule. Now, either that is the job of a cartoonist that specializes in political satire or I just really should be just as well living in Iran, Cuba or China. All this means is that Brazil, sadly, has little garantees of real freedom of expression. Just about every newspaper has to waste a huge amount of money and time in courts. I wouldn't say it would be wise to have a blog and express one's opinion as openly as people do in the United States, in Brazil. Chances are, they'll sue your pants off. Unless you are working in a big media outlet, you're dead meat. In a more shameful example, when NYT reporter Larry Rother suggested in an article that Brazil's president had a penchant for heavy drinking, the president and his acolytes considered actually banning Mr. Rother form the country. They went bananas.

We will live yet to see the day when Google gets blocked in Brazil, because they refused to remove a link to press material judged "offensive" to corrupt politicos. You'll see... There'll come a time I'll probably ask for political exile somewhere. When they ask me why, I'll answer: "Because living in Brazil fucks too much with my head and I'll become a mental case, sooner or later."

Re:Work around?

[hclyff]

only people on slashdot need a wikipedia link to know what fallopian tubes are

Them as well as 90% percent of men.

Re:Work around?

[Anonymous Coward]

I'm using BrT and is blocked since yesterday.

Re:Work around?

[Xymor]

I just did a quick survey with my friends, and all users from Virtua, Velox and Speedy, that is, most of the ISPs in Brazil are not blocking youtube.
I recently discovered that BrTurbo blocks, besides youtube now, nasa.gov and perform traffic shaping. They should have used the court decision as an excuse to stop users from using one of the biggest bandwidth consuming sites.

Re:As a brazillian (luckily ouside the country)

[Anonymous Coward]

As an european pseudo-immigrant in Brasil I think this decisition is pathetic, typical from a third-world south-american "banana republic" who likes to exhibit power. Instead of following the northern hemisphere cultures, (yes, more *advanced* IMHO) Brasil seems to be more interested in following it's south-american neighbours.
Too bad. I'm about to leave this country for good. Too much social gapping, too much illiteracy, too much belly button sighting and terrible television. There seems to be no initiative for a change, neither from politicians nor from the voters.

Re:What, this video?

[tiago.vieira]

As a brazilian I can say that is bullshit. If you go to Brazil and try any party at Rio you will see all these famous person doing worst things. This is just because Miss Cicarelli was famous (And she was famous just because she had married with Ronaldo, the football player). I don't know why an woman go to the beach with her boyfriend and makes sex in front of everybody and now nobody can see that. Stupid ! And a technology so much useful like YouTube need to be banned to people that there is nothing with this f*** joke. Stupid brazilian government, stupid culture. They have been stolen money in front of all brazilian face and now they are cutting technology resource just because this stupid "crazy frog". She is ugly a look likes the crazy frog! Pay attention in it! For me is just a way to apply what the government always want to do: Controled News.
It will be a long time to me decide to go back to Brazil... long long time...