Yahoo Mail Forcing Ads Through Adblock? 291
egNuKe asks: "Like some people here, I use Firefox and Adblock. I've blocked the ads that Yahoo puts in my inbox, however the next time I opened it, I've found other ads, and blocked them too. This happened for several times, until I figured out that Yahoo must have some script that checks if the ad is displayed and displays another one, if it hasn't. This is no big problem, I just needed to add several rules to Adblock to block the several ad sources they use. Here is the problem: when Adblock is running and effectively stopping Yahoo mail ads, Firefox would freeze (all open windows and tabs) for about 15 seconds. Then the page opens and there is no ads. The script must be on client side, since it's the browser that's freezing and not the network. Turning off Adblock solves the freezing problem. Is there a cure for this?" This is a touch-and-go issue as it basically boils down to the user's priority (not seeing ads) versus the services priority (displaying the ads it needs to allow the user to enjoy a free service). It was only a matter of time before someone thought to try and work around ad-blockers, and all this will eventually lead to is open warfare (competing Javascript or browser code in the browser) on your machine. Instead of working around the workaround, why not consider another service that doesn't inundate you with ads?
View the ads or find another webmail (Score:4, Insightful)
I just don't understand some of you (Score:3, Insightful)
Now, there is a somewhat person reason for this for me too. I am starting up a new gaming company that will depend on ad revenue on the site to survive. If people block it, we will die off. We won't ever put ads in the way, but some people just can't stand to let us make money for a free service to happen.
I just don't understand some of you.
Dear Slashdot, (Score:4, Insightful)
I am trying to avoid my side of the bargin by blocking the ads, however, the service provider seems to have prevented me from doing this easily.
Can anyone help?
Re:Gmail (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:View the ads or find another webmail (Score:5, Insightful)
I would disagree for two reasons:
1. That's not true that adblockers are complete freeloaders on the Yahoo network. Attached to every mail you send from Yahoo is an advertisement for Yahoo Mail. That's presumably worth something- very possibly more than the ads you're blocking (especially as the type of customer who blocks ads is not likely to click on them).
2. Yahoo simply can't do this. People would scream bloody murder if their email- their online identity- was terminated. Bad, bad publicity and a quick erosion of trust for very little gain.
Personally? I'd switch to gmail. They've never pulled any shenanigans on me.
Re:I just don't understand some of you (Score:5, Insightful)
Agreed there. If an ad interferes with reading the site, or blares audio without asking me, I'll block it. I remember one site that had a pair of interesting articles (about website usability, ironically enough) that had so many ads it was almost impossible to read. I blocked all the ads, read the two articles, then never returned to the site.
With most of them, it's just as easy to tune them out.
Oddly, the only ads I can recall clicking on in the last year or so are on a handful of webcomics that I read. I wonder if that says something...
Interesting, considering... (Score:4, Insightful)
I had a choice of hitting Yes, or I guess letting the ad sit there blocking my viewing the content.
There was no close option.
I don't mind ads, but what is the purpose of annoying me?
Re:Dear Slashdot, (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't use Yahoo, but the way I've seen it work at other places is like this:
1. Offer useful, non-annoying service
2. Become successful
3. Make service annoying
4. Poor deluded users are stuck with it, or they can change providers (which often sucks or is simply impossible)
I had an account with mail.com many years ago. They had good webmail and lots of neat-o domain names. Slowly they started sucking until now it makes me want to die using their site on IE. Blinding, flashing, musical, interstitial, repetitous hell. That wasn't the deal. They changed the rules. They get blocked.
Yahoo did the same exact thing, I can guarantee it. They got wise to the getting blocked part, and now they're trying to ruin that too. Fuck 'em. I finally moved away from my mail.com account. I got tired of having to whip up a greasemonkey script every few weeks to deal with their latest retardation. It sucked. I've had that email for 10 years or so. I'll probably lose some important stuff in the future such as forgotten registrations, long-lost friends, etc.
We don't owe these bastards anything. If they can change the rules so can we. Eventually some honest company will come along with a sustainable business model instead of this bait-and-switch bullshit. I'm so sick of having something useful and good grow ad-fucked time after time.
Re:I just don't understand some of you (Score:1, Insightful)
The only ads that are not obtrusive are text-based. Google got it right smack in the center of the bullseye with that one.
Banner ads suck. (Animated banner ads, of course, go far beyond sucking, and the just damnation that awaits those who use them is terrible to contemplate.) Simple text links that tell me, "this message brought to you by EarthTouch Shiatsu [earthtouchshiatsu.com] and Catonsville Seido Karate [seidomd.com]" don't bother me at all and are occasionally (very occasionally) even useful.
Then I suggest you take Google's hint.
Re:I just don't understand some of you (Score:5, Insightful)
I just don't understand some of you.
Let me try to help you understand. First, consider that not everybody blocks ads. If you run a site that depends on
ad revenue, you will have some people downloading and viewing your ads, but you must accept that not everyone will.
Some of us really dislike ads, and some of us even believe that the web is a one-to-many publishing medium that exists
for people to express themselves with, not for people to try to make a go of business ventures that are so pathetic that
the only way they can survive is if everybody that visits their site views their ads.
Second, the way that some sites display ads is simply unacceptable. When I point my web browser at www.domain.com,
I am expressly downloading content from www.domain.com, and from nowhere else. If that site attempts to trick my
browser into requesting files from any other domain, it is pissing in the wind. I guarantee this behaviour with
any browser I use via a custom proxy, and I'm sure I'm not the only one. Keep that in mind if you want to
embed ads in your pages. You had better plan on managing those ads yourself, because some people's browsers are
not going to fetch them from anywhere else.
Finally, you need to come to grips with the fact that some people believe that the web would instantly become a
better place if all sites that depended on ad revenue vanished. Granted, a lot of useful and popular sites would
disappear, but I assure you that equally useful sites would fill their places. There were excellent free search
engines before google, and there would be again.
If you cannot survive with web surfers exercising their ability and right to control what HTTP requests they do and
do not make, then kindly release your domain name as you die.
blocking ads vs not seeing them... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:View the ads or find another webmail (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Dear Slashdot, (Score:3, Insightful)
If I'm understanding you correctly, I disagree with your idea of "the principles of open source". I think that charging for a service is much more in line with open source principles than supporting it with the use of ads.
Re:View the ads or find another webmail (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:View the ads or find another webmail (Score:3, Insightful)
The math is nowhere near that simple.
You neglect one important factor - the network effect. It took a lot of eyeballs for a site like Yahoo to become successful, and it takes a lot of eyeballs to maintain that critical mass and stay successful - especially online where barrier to entry is low and users are notoriously capricious.
Every user of Yahoo's services tends to drag in other users - through popularity and word of mouth. Each 1 of those freeloaders may just very well be responsible for 2 ad-viewing, or even better, paying customers.
Re:View the ads or find another webmail (Score:2, Insightful)
daydreaming (Score:2, Insightful)
Advertisers should adhere to it.
Browsers should adhere to it.
Webmasters should adhere to it.
Advertisers should ensure that the webmasters adhere to it.
Then...
have the contract you agree to when signing up for ad-supported services indicate that the site uses the official industry standard advertising method. Any attempt on the users part to block the ads is in breach of contract. The browser gets a certificate indicating that it must display those ads.
Regular sites like
can continue to use the current methods of advertising where it's a constant battle between the advertisers and the adblockers.
Some foolish site owners will get greedy and try to push the advertising certificate on their users starting at the home page. Their traffic will plummet.
Others will continue on as the always have with the regular ads and continue generate the revenue they're used to as if nothing happened.
Some people will change web-mail services to another site that their ad blocker will work on.
The majority will not really care and will stay with their current web-mail service.
Even many people that do care will consider the 9 years worth of messages and 9 years worth of handing out business cards with the same address that they have with their current service to be more important than blocking ads.
What do you think?
Lets start a discussion and get these ideas worked out implemented and standardized before CSS3 is out.
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Re:seconded (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:View the ads or find another webmail (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:Gmail (Score:5, Insightful)
Got an actual source for that? All the hysteria I've ever seen has been fueled by people who misinterpret the Gmail terms of service to mean "we never delete anything" instead of "this stuff's stored on distributed redundant clusters, so sometimes there's a lag between hitting delete and the message disappearing".
Re:All ads are obtrusive. (Score:3, Insightful)
This may be true for "good" adverts (ones that aren't designed to be nothing but annoying), but the converse is true for me when I repeatedly see annoying adverts.
For example, when shopping around for car insurance, I never even bother to get a quote from elephant.co.uk because their TV ads are so unbelievably annoying. Yes, their advert made their name stick in my head, but sadly for them it was filed in the "never buy from these people" category.
If you want to make me pay attention to an advert in a good way, make it funny, non repetitive and relevant.
Re:View the ads or find another webmail (Score:3, Insightful)