Microsoft's "Immortal Computing" Project 316
SeenOnSlash writes "Microsoft is working on a project they call 'immortal computing' which would let people store digital information in durable physical artifacts and other forms to be preserved and revealed to future generations, and maybe even to future civilizations. The artifacts would be designed to make the process of accessing the information clear with instructions in multiple languages or hieroglyphics. In one possible use, messages for descendants or interactive holograms might be stored on tombstones. The project was revealed when their patent application recently became public."
A bit rich (Score:5, Insightful)
Yuh huh... (Score:5, Insightful)
The key to durability... (Score:4, Insightful)
If the goal is to keep valuable information for future generations, a regularly upgraded, Internet-based distributed storage system would be a better bet.
Can Sci-Fi be considered prior art? (Score:3, Insightful)
Nice idea, but it doesn't deserve a patent (Score:4, Insightful)
It's a good idea, but not original. I read the article, but couldn't force myself through the whole patent. Still, it sounds to me like they are trying to patent the idea of a time capsule, with the only difference being that they are talking about information in a more interactive form.
They aren't even trying to patent a specific technique, but the whole idea. From the patent application (all the way at the bottom which I did read):
So basically they are claiming that any system which in any way is similar to theirs is covered. Ok, par for the course. It still isn't very original, and doesn't deserve a patent.
What do they want to achieve anyway? Will you have to buy a renewable licensing scheme for accessing this information? Will it contain drm? Will sony end up owning your grandfathers immortal thoughts?
So what if I write an interactive information system as described, with the one difference is that I'm still alive, and I just want my genius available to my friends and family without actually having to talk to them. Does the system all of a sudden owe licensing costs to MS when I die?
This has to be one of silliest patent ideas I've seen. Of course, I haven't seen all that many and remain convinced that there are many more that are sillier.
Re:What do you wish YOUR ancestors recorded for yo (Score:5, Insightful)
With the more ancient relatives I'd be more interested in the day to day trivia of their lives since their lives would quite likely be very different from the life I'm used to but the more recent relatives I'd like to know more about their relationships between other branches of my family. For everyone I'd like some insight into any large decisions they have made, e.g. going to war or whatever.
I often wander to what extent my perception of the past is influenced by black and white photographs or grainy footage, it's strange that when I see some of the very rare pioneering colour film from the Edwardian period it seems a lot easier to relate to as the past being a real place than it does in black and white and I wonder what effect this will have on our ancestors as they view our lives today in full colour.
Re:Nice idea, but it doesn't deserve a patent (Score:3, Insightful)
It's even funnier when you realise they're trying to protect their "immortal computing" insights with a patent that expires after 20 years.
If they produce a product, I bet the EULA will guarantee they'll support it for 20 years, or eternity, whichever comes first...
Sounds like a job for ODF (Score:4, Insightful)
If there's anything that should completely die out (Score:4, Insightful)
Erasing them and everything they touch from the face of the earth is one of the most helpful things we can do for future civilisation.
Re:Altruism (Score:2, Insightful)
Karma Whore link! (Score:3, Insightful)
Go to the link above and it will get the patent docs into a PDF format so that you don't have to install that ridiculous TIFF plugin. And if someone out there knows an easier way to view the page without a ridiculous plugin (under Linux+Firefox) please tell?
Re:Yuh huh... (Score:5, Insightful)
This has the nice bonus that usually no-one cares about information that's boring, so as time goes on the good stuff lingers while the blogs die; it's very similar to natural selection, right down to the immortal digital information being stored in temporary bodies.
Re:Yuh huh... (Score:5, Insightful)
Popular != good.
More importantly, what we find interesting today, might be totally worthless to people in the future, while stuff we consider useless and boring could be immensely valuable. That's the big problem with backups - you never really know today what you might want tomorrow. In many ways, the reverse is true - what is not backed up will gain value because of its rarity. Imagine how much you could make if you found a lost Shakespeare sonnet today - discarded by Shakespeare because he thought it was utter crap.
Ozymandias of Egypt (Score:5, Insightful)
Who said:--Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains: round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
What artifacts would store the info? (Score:4, Insightful)
Honestly, this is making headlines because whenever Microsoft files for obscure patents that their rather talented architects and strategic planners can forsee, they are challenged on the basis of validity for their patent. If some startup somewhere was doing this research, it would have never made
Then again, the ol' rock, chisel, and hammer seemed to hold information for a damn long time...
Mod parent up! (Score:4, Insightful)
Very, very clever. If I had mod points I'd give them! If Microsoft is really serious about doing this, then they will be doing the very antithesis of what they have been doing since, well, ever. Proprietary file formats anyone? Secret protocols? DRM? All of these things which they've been doing and promoting from the very beginning are precisely the sorts of things that will frustrate future digital archaeologists to no end. Consider the simple fact that we can still read Galileo's technical writings from the 1560's, but not Marvin Minsky's technical writings from the 1960's, thanks to proprietary storage hardware. Stuff is basically written on the wind [longnow.org] these days, and Microsoft has done more than any single organization (largely because of their market monopoly) to make information as evanescent as it is now.
What will we record for future generations?? (Score:3, Insightful)
* George Bush dropping the First Dog
* Wikipedia: The Greatest Edits
* Donald Trump's Hairpiece
* Star Wars where Han shoots first
Re:A bit rich (Score:5, Insightful)
Data != Computing (Score:3, Insightful)
Dan East
Re:I can see it now... (Score:2, Insightful)
grave: "Use the force, Luke"
Archaeologist: "How unoriginal..."
Re:A bit rich (Score:3, Insightful)
I seriously do not comprehend how putting this sort of endeavor in the hands of a business is in any way culturally beneficial. What's next, patenting the very idea of civilization?