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Professor Michael Geist on Vista's Fine Print 314

Russell McOrmond writes "With Microsoft's Vista set to hit stores tomorrow, Michael Geist's weekly Law Bytes column (Toronto Star version, homepage version) looks at the legal and technical fine print behind the operating system upgrade. The article notes that in the name of shielding consumers from computer viruses and protecting copyright owners from potential infringement, Vista seemingly wrestles control of the "user experience" from the user. If you are a Canadian and think that the owner of computers should be in control of what they own, rather than some third party (whether virus authors or the manufacturer/maker), then please sign our Petition to protect Information Technology property rights."
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Professor Michael Geist on Vista's Fine Print

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  • by Rogerborg ( 306625 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @12:41PM (#17800992) Homepage
    Isn't the most effective way to "protest" it just not buy, to explain to your friends and workplaces why they shouldn't buy it, and most particularly, to aggressively pursue a refund for any bundled versions that you're forced to buy with hardware?
  • by giorgiofr ( 887762 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @12:42PM (#17801010)
    How about you just don't buy it?
  • by Doomstalk ( 629173 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @12:44PM (#17801042)
    Am I the only one who is getting tired of reading all kinds of "Microsoft DRM is evil!" posts, and then seeing a post the very next day talking about how awesome Apple is? One company is buckling to industry pressure and including DRM, the other has a fricking Trusted Platform Module in every new computer it makes. The double standard is infuriating.
  • by Doomstalk ( 629173 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @12:49PM (#17801102)
    Because Apple would never ever ever do anything to abuse their position as the market leader. I mean look at their generous FairPlay licensing program! And that Trusted Platform Module in every computer they make? That's just there for giggles.
  • by sqlrob ( 173498 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @12:49PM (#17801106)
    TPM modules aren't inherently bad. It's how they are used that makes the difference. If the owner of the computer is in charge of the module, they are a powerful tool. If someone else is, then it's a problem.
  • by CastrTroy ( 595695 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @12:52PM (#17801154)
    I think this is probably the best option we have, although I'm not sure how well it will work. Most people just buy a computer and use whatever software comes with it. And if you start to talk about why they shouldn't be using Vista, their ears turn off because you are being too technical (no matter how much you try and dumb it down).
  • Where's the buzz? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by pubjames ( 468013 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @12:53PM (#17801182)
    Is it just me, or is there a complete lack of any kind of buzz around Vista?

    A search on Google News (UK) brings up loads of articles with negative titles "Buying Vista? Get a guarantee", "Windows Vista: Where Is The Wow?", "Windows Vista: the best reason to buy a Mac?", "Windows Vista disappoints, so get a Mac". And that's just in the first half of the results.

    It really is quite amazing for a product that Microsoft has spend billions and many years to develop.

    Of course the sad thing is that, because of its strangle hold on the market, it will still make billions and will be able to declare the launch a success.
  • by purpledinoz ( 573045 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @12:54PM (#17801196)
    It is, but it's hard to boycott something that most people don't have a clear understanding of. Lets face it, 80% of the people have no idea what the difference between XP and Vista is, or even what Vista even is. Furthermore, even if they do know what Vista is, they would assume it's better because it's newer (that's what I thought when I upgraded from 98SE to ME, what a disaster). There's really no chance in informing the average customer.

    But, if Vista pisses off businesses, then MS has a real problem on their hands. Businesses are already reluctant to change. They're definitely going to reject Vista if it makes them less productive. At least I'm hoping that's how it would turn out.
  • DingDingDingDing! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Svartalf ( 2997 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @12:55PM (#17801222) Homepage
    And here I thought that Vista would be a technical security risk. Heh, little did I know that MS would do something idiotic like this to go with the lot. I'd be strongly dissuading ANYONE who was my client to go do this "upgrade" because of this alone (never mind the potential and REAL security risks that the OS seems to have...).
  • by Rogerborg ( 306625 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @12:58PM (#17801264) Homepage
    Turn it around. Ask them why they're "still" using Vista. Express polite astonishment when they say "It came with the computer". Compare it to the Chevy Corvair: Unsafe at any Processor Speed.
  • by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF ( 813746 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @01:16PM (#17801530)

    Am I the only one who is getting tired of reading all kinds of "Microsoft DRM is evil!" posts, and then seeing a post the very next day talking about how awesome Apple is? One company is buckling to industry pressure and including DRM, the other has a fricking Trusted Platform Module in every new computer it makes. The double standard is infuriating.

    So if I buy a mac, how does the DRM affect me? Do I have to worry about my computer becoming unusable if I change hardware? Do I have to worry about re-registering? Do I have to worry about registering in the first place? The answers are, of course, no, no, and no. So is there a chance Apple will delete software off of my computer without my permission as MS's built in security will? No. So what, exactly, is the issue? There is a chip with an encryption key on it in the box? Okay, so why should I care? I'm a pragmatist. If my files were being DRM'd so I could not move to something else or if Apple was restricting me in any way, maybe I'd care. Apple does put DRM on their music files, they sell, but I generally don't buy from them. I did buy a few songs once that I could not find elsewhere, but I legally stripped the DRM off with a freeware program and backed them up as a regular audio CD with no DRM. What's the problem?

    I use Windows and OS X and Linux on the desktop. Currently I favor OS X because it gives me the best feature set for general tasks. If Apple starts implementing DRM in such a way as to inconvenience me, I'll migrate to something else. I'm not going to do so, however, unless the DRM does inconvenience me. I'm not being shortsighted either. Any use that prevents me from being able to move platforms would probably tip the balance away from Apple, as I value portability.

    The only real restriction I've seen Apple implement with encryption is locking their software to their hardware (any Apple hardware not a specific machine). Since Apple only licenses their software to run on their platform the only people this inconveniences are people who plan to use the software but break the license, and that doesn't leave a lot of room for complaint. Would I prefer it if OS X would run on any hardware? Sure, it would be a great feature. The problem is Apple's main product would directly compete with an abusive monopoly, and that means it would die and we would not get to use it anymore. The traditional strategy for dealing with such a monopoly is to build a separate vertical chain of supply, which Apple has done. Breaking that chain before MS is stopped from their criminal monopoly abuse is not a real option for Apple, so I don't blame them at all for only licensing their OS for their hardware.

  • by tftp ( 111690 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @01:23PM (#17801642) Homepage
    The business world has a lot of pull, and MS already extended XP support to 2011 or something. If Vista is indeed rejected by businesses then MS has plenty of time to remove the DRM and reactivation and fluff with glitter, and call it "MS Vista Industrial" - that may be acceptable (at XP prices, though.) Pretty much a small SP3 for XP, that's all that businesses want.
  • by firewrought ( 36952 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @02:05PM (#17802358)

    TPM modules aren't inherently bad. It's how they are used that makes the difference. If the owner of the computer is in charge of the module, they are a powerful tool. If someone else is, then it's a problem.

    Umm... the whole point of TPM modules is to deny the owner full control. And even if that was not the case, that's the agenda and the intent behind this hardware. If you ignore such factors, then nothing--no artifact whatsoever--is inherently bad or good and your use of the distinction becomes vaccuous.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 29, 2007 @02:39PM (#17802850)
    wow, what spin!

    "And it's from a company who said early on that they weren't a fan of DRM and has refused to license it."

    they refuse to licence it because they want to use their market dominance so people who want to use iTunes and not break the DMCA have to have an iPod... God, I'm sure they hate that damn DRM...
  • The options (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Animats ( 122034 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @02:43PM (#17802918) Homepage

    • Buy Vista. Put up with all the nonsense. Know that Microsoft will probably Tivo you at some point, taking away some functionality. Expect downtime due to authorization problems.
    • Keep running Windows 2000 and retain control of your system. No support, not compatible with many new devices, won't play much content, but a solid system.
    • Switch to a Mac, the other closed system. Everything from Apple works; third party software is kind of thin.
    • Run Linux on the desktop. It's almost ready for the desktop, like it has been for five years now.

    Those are the options. And they all suck.

    This is an opportunity for somebody. Probably somebody in China.

  • by westlake ( 615356 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @03:05PM (#17803190)
    SHhhhhh. This is Slashdot, there's no place for money talk here. The POINT is that everyone will NOT buy it and only HATE it. I'll stick with BeOS thank you.

    It surprised me to see Ultimate Vista so high on the charts.

    It suggests that the price and the hardware requirements for Vista are not the barriers some geeks believe. It suggests that the discounted pricing on Vista Premium for Vista Ultimate purchasers was dead on target.

    It suggests that buyers have nothing in common with the Geek, an entirely different set of values and expectations.

    It should be very interesting to see how well Windows Home Server products do in the fall.

  • by heinousjay ( 683506 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @03:18PM (#17803334) Journal
    The problem is, when you can't explain why in terms that matter to them, they'll tune you once again. They don't care. You can't make them care. You need a better lever than technical mumbo-jumbo.
  • by owlstead ( 636356 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @03:20PM (#17803360)
    This is the same reasoning that many people apply to jobs. You don't like one part of a job, so you should resign and go to another job. Nevermind if the other jobs apply similar practices or have other drawbacks. Vista sure has its good points, but this for sure aint one of them. And since the damn thing will come pre-installed - something that *should* be forbidden due to unfair practices by MS - many people simply won't have this choice. So a petition is probably more effective - getting people not to buy it is a futile task.
  • by kfg ( 145172 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @03:42PM (#17803710)
    Of course just because a contract exists doesn't mean that each of its specific terms is legal. EULAs often contain a lot of junk and nonsense, or at the very least terms that are legally enforceable in some area of distribution, but not all.

    You'll find the same thing in leases. Landlords will throw everything into a lease that they want to happen, even though much of it may be counter to absolute local tenant's rights, relying on the tenant to assume the terms are binding because it was in the contract and comply.

    It's psychology, not law.

    KFG
  • by TechGooRu ( 944422 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @04:01PM (#17803966)
    Linux is a fantastic alternative to Windows / OSX / BSD / et al, there's no doubt about it. However, trumpeting Linux or OSX as your savior when it comes to some of these issues is counting your chickens before your eggs hatch. Here's why:

    On Linux:

    Every single time you play back a DVD under linux using Open Source software in the United States, you're breaking the law. Why? This software is not licensed, and under the DMCA, it's illegal to decrypt it.

    Listen up. This is NOT going to change when it comes to high definition content playback. Yes, maybe you'll eventually be able to play back this content in Linux, but certainly not legally - unless someone finds a way to license this! You'll once again be breaking the law.

    Having said that, tell me why it's so terribly bad that Microsoft is giving it's customers the ability to legally play back high definition video from Blu-Ray and HD-DVD discs? This requires DRM and HDCP support. This requirement was handed to them from the Blu-Ray and HD-DVD consortium. Customers are going to demand the ability to play back the content, so Microsoft is making sure not to abandon it's customers! BECAUSE THEY DEMAND IT!

    On OSX:

    OSX rocks, there's no doubt about it. But again, think about this. If you want to legally play back HD-DVD or Blu-Ray content in OSX, it requires the use of DRM and HDCP, or it will be downgraded to a lower resolution! There's no getting around this! Apple, Inc. is going to be damn sure to allow its customers to play back this content legally! And I guarantee they won't take as much flack for this than Microsoft on Slashdot. Ho Hum, nothing new to see here.

    So, install linux - you won't be able to use that Blu-Ray or HD-DVD player... and if you do, you'll be breaking the law.

    So, install OSX - you'll be able to play it back LEGALLY because apple will see to it you can, provided you have an HDCP compliant monitor.

    So, install Vista - you'll be able to play it back LEGALLY because MS will see to it you can, provided you have an HDCP compliant monitor. They might even back port this to XP, so you can LEGALLY play back HD content under XP. Those assholes!

    Get it? Linux is not going to save you here. It's going to HINDER legal playback of these formats. Does it suck? Yes! But there's no getting around it - the people higher up the food chain are still going to demand their slice of the pie, anyway you cut it.
  • by grcumb ( 781340 ) on Monday January 29, 2007 @05:22PM (#17804990) Homepage Journal

    Microsoft has twenty titles in the top fifty.

    Interesting. That datum made me decide to check something a little more relevant: The status of Apple in Computer hardware sales. Given that Apple doesn't focus on selling its operating system off the shelf, it seem more appropriate to check the GP's assertion that people are 'stampeding' to the Mac by seeing how Apple computers are selling.

    Now, this list [amazon.com] is updated hourly, so it's subject to change, but when I checked, Apple had the top 3 positions in the best-seller list, and a total of five entries in the top ten.

    So, according to this unscientific metric (albeit chosen by you): The majority of new computer buyers are buying Apple products. Sounds like a stampede to me.

  • Granted, the PC would have 2x more memory but apparently Vista just sucks that into a black hole anyway.

    No, not really. You CAN let it draw the full screen for each program, and run Defender, and run full-drive indexing, and throw open a media share, but you can also just turn all of that off.

    All else being equal, go for the Vista machine over the Mac. MS lives and dies by accommodating power users; Mac lives and dies by making an elegant universal interface. Unless you already know Mac, or really love Unix, you'll get a better experience as a windows power user with vista.

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