Install Vista Upgrade Without Preexisting XP 196
Johannes K. writes "It has previously been claimed that to install Windows Vista from an upgrade DVD requires having Windows XP installed on your computer. DailyTech reports on a workaround: no previous version of Windows is required at all." Anyone know whether this workaround moots the finding by LXer that during upgrade Microsoft invalidates your original XP CD-key?
What a solution. (Score:1, Insightful)
This is only a benefit for people who don't have a legitimate claim to using a Vista upgrade license seeing as an XP->Vista install would take significantly less time.
Re:What a solution. (Score:4, Insightful)
Then, if XP keys are
Re:What a solution. (Score:5, Insightful)
Not necessarily. If an XP->Vista install does invalidate your XP key (an as yet unproven supposition), then what happens if your hard drive crashes and you need to reinstall Vista? Will it allow you to use the old XP key as an upgrade? Or what if you your install of XP is old and crufty and you can no longer find your install CD? This allows you to do a pristine install. It also means that once you upgrade, you don't need to keep the XP CD and key handy in case you have to reinstall.
Can you imagine if all of MS's OS's had this requirement?
"What are you doing?"
"Reinstalling. My hard drive crashed. I have to install Windows 3.1 from floppy, then upgrade to Windows 95, then upgrade that to Windows 2000, then upgrade that to XP and finally upgrade to Vista. I'll be finished in a couple of days."
Re:What a solution. (Score:2, Insightful)
And everyone needs to shut up about XP keys being invalidated. Currently, it's a rumor, and a bunch of anti-MS idiots are running around spouting it like its gospel because they want to believe it.
Re:No evidence for XP key invalidation (Score:4, Insightful)
Still asking questions? Ok here are MY suggestions (Score:5, Insightful)
Dear Redmond;
A few tips on how modern install media should work:
1) Ask no questions except to put in the install key upfront. Run everything else with basic assumptions. Run the config AFTER installation.
2) Allow for the easy and well documented input of a param file to create an install script on the fly.
3) Do a hardware seek FIRST instead of preloading every old SCSI driver and whatnot. Look, you guys do a bad job of supporting that stuff anyway, so why bother?
4) Provide a tool to EASILY and automatically move the install CD to a thumb drive and install from there. We are building machines that have neither floppy drives nor CD drives either.
5) For god's sake provide some kind of reasonably good toolset to recover a drive from an alternate boot medium. Enough is enough already that your OS 'can't run' from Boot Floppies and whatnot to run critical tools like fixboot and fixmbr. Just write some damn tools that DO work. Or write a console that runs in toto from some source other than the install CD which many of us NEVER GET.
6) Learn to work with LILO already. Would it actually kill you?
7) Look at a calendar. This is 2007, start acting like there's been some improvement in installation tools in the last 20 years.
Re:Use a dodgy XP key (Score:5, Insightful)
Yes, it does. The upgrade version is significantly cheaper that the full retail version solely because it is an upgrade. Thus, you still don't legally have a valid agreement for the use of Vista.
Re:No evidence for XP key invalidation (Score:5, Insightful)
The only problem is that when you upgraded to XP, MS had no way of "deactivating" your old copy of Win98, since you weren't required to register 98 to use it. Now they have the ability to flat out deny your registration of XP the next time you install. It's probably still FUD, but who knows.
Re:Still asking questions? Ok here are MY suggesti (Score:3, Insightful)
Pointless to do this to save money. (Score:1, Insightful)
Re:What a solution. (Score:4, Insightful)
I've seen that on other software, and wouldn't be surprised if XP, 2000, and even Me (ugh) had that phrase. The message is that you cannot keep using your old software while simultaneously using the new package. For example, if you have ten licenses of AutoCAD 2006, and you buy ten upgrade licenses of AutoCAD 2007, you can't have twenty computers running AutoCAD--or even eleven because of the new hire who you didn't know about when you purchased your upgrade (but just try to tell that to your boss, who seemed like he was having teeth pulled when you convinced him to upgrade from R13 to 2002).
As for downgrade prevention, MS has had that built in at least since 2000. The CD will simply refuse to perform the downgrade, and you'll have to reinstall from scratch.
So everyone be quiet about the serial invalidation rumor. You're giving MS ideas for their next software release!
Re:What a solution. (Score:3, Insightful)