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Vista Indicates A Shift in Microsoft's Priorities 499

jcatcw writes "After hundreds of hours of testing Vista, Scot Finnie is supremely tired of it. And of Microsoft. Although 80% of the changes in Windows Vista are positive, there is nothing about Vista that is truly innovative or compelling; there's no transformational, gotta-have-it feature in Vista. But the real problem isn't with Vista. It's with Microsoft itself. His opinion is that Microsoft has stopped focusing on end users. They 'now seemingly make many decisions based on these two things: 1. Avoiding negative publicity (especially about security and software quality) 2. Making sure the largest enterprise customers are happy.'"
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Vista Indicates A Shift in Microsoft's Priorities

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  • by suckmysav ( 763172 ) <suckmysav AT gmail DOT com> on Thursday February 01, 2007 @07:12PM (#17851908) Journal
    You know, I agree with most of what you write, apart from the "everyday home user" stuff.

    If they are not interested in the everyday home user then why on earth would they be currently in the middle of ploughing through half a billion dollars woth of mass market TV adverts trying to convince people to go "Wow" when they first see Vista?
  • by mandelbr0t ( 1015855 ) on Thursday February 01, 2007 @07:18PM (#17851996) Journal

    When all is said and done, it's not that I don't like Vista. It's that I've lost faith in Microsoft to deal in an evenhanded way with end users and corporate buyers of its software.
    We just need more intelligent, rational people to start thinking like this. I have no doubt that Vista will appeal to lots of users. Unfortunately, those users have been hosed repeatedly by Microsoft and still appear no closer to the quoted revelation.
  • by chromozone ( 847904 ) on Thursday February 01, 2007 @07:48PM (#17852386)
    It seems to me Vista has had a lot of its inner gears re-tooled so that others can add-on the new applications. The sound features alone seemed to have been re-oriented more than people might be aware of.

    "Vista redefines the audio landscape, but is it a landscape of forced obsolescence?"

    http://pc.ign.com/articles/759/759538p1.html [ign.com]

    In this blog there is video about how the audio stack in Windows Vista has been rewritten so people can have per-app audio control.

    http://channel9.msdn.com/Showpost.aspx?postid=1163 47 [msdn.com]

    I don't have Vista and am not in a rush to get it, but I think perhaps in time there could be more benefits to Vista than meets the eye. Certainly the 64 bit security functions don't seem exciting but if they block remote code execution then that's something to like.

  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01, 2007 @07:49PM (#17852394)
    They attempted to improve their security and GUI. Any additional features were already available as third party add ons or with different OS's. Were we really expecting anything else?

    Yes!

    I've been waiting for WinFS for like 12 years now. I thought, this time for sure! But no. Maybe next decade.
  • by IGnatius T Foobar ( 4328 ) on Thursday February 01, 2007 @07:56PM (#17852472) Homepage Journal
    He's right about those "largest enterprise customers." The example I've been following is Exchange. If you've installed Exchange 5.5 back in the 1990's, you'd remember a relatively easy installation. Set up Windows NT, pop in the Exchange CD, and you basically had a working system. (It'd be an open relay, but that's another story.)

    Fast forward to 2007. In order to install the current version of Exchange you pretty much have to become a directory services expert. You need to know Active Directory pretty well, and basically be at the MCP level of Microsoft-brainwash. Sure, this is great if you're running something like Ford Motor Company and you have 100,000 users at dozens of locations, but what if you're a small to medium business and you just want to set up a basic mail and calendar server?

    Disclaimer: the reason I know about this is because I'm involved in the development of Citadel [citadel.org], an open source groupware server. One of the things we focused on was making the installation as easy as Exchange 5.5 used to be. That's my "full disclosure". :)
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01, 2007 @08:01PM (#17852538)
    Bashing Microsoft just-because-I-hate-Microsoft (a.k.a, Linux fan bois)
    is getting too old and childish. Grow up people!


    And assuming everybody who disagrees with you are "fan bois" is mature?

    Overall, I think Vista is a gradual evolution of the Windows platform.
    Just like every other company, Microsoft had to make hard Business decisions.


    Apple threw away their OS, and then changed architectures. That's a hard business decision.

    What hard decisions did Microsoft make? Cutting WinFS? Congrats, I guess. But if you want to survive for long, you have to be known for delivering, not cutting.

    That is why, they delayed one of the most anticipated features

    You misspelled "a dozen".

    In my opinion, Microsoft is focusing on releasing a STABLE OS rather than an error prone insecure OS.

    So the reason Windows 95 was error-prone and insecure is because in 1995 Microsoft was focusing on delivering an error-prone insecure OS? Good thing they changed their focus, then!
  • by timeOday ( 582209 ) on Thursday February 01, 2007 @08:07PM (#17852602)

    "If they are not interested in the everyday home user then why on earth would they be currently in the middle of ploughing through half a billion dollars woth of mass market TV adverts trying to convince people to go "Wow" when they first see Vista?"
    This reminds me of some ads I've seen "BASF... We don't make the things you buy, we make the things you buy better." Remember those? It was like they were purposely saying, "99% of you within the sound of our voice, we don't care about you... you can't even choose to buy our products or not, because they're everywhere in everything. To the other 1%... look how much we can waste on this - that's how big we are."

    Or remember Enron saturating the airwaves with ads for their new bandwidth commodities market? How many of the viewers were really commodities traders? I think it's just a "show of force."

    Is Microsoft really trying to accomplish anything or spread any message, or simply maintaining their larger-than-life image?

  • Re:Here's a thought (Score:2, Interesting)

    by jgoguen ( 840059 ) on Thursday February 01, 2007 @08:13PM (#17852670) Homepage

    buy it if you think it still sounds affordable
    My problem is exactly this: I've looked at Vista, I've used the betas, I've seen the improvements, and it's just not worth it. I've already been swamped with people coming to me saying "Vista sucks and now my WinXP key won't work anymore and Microsoft told me it's been permanently de-registered so I want you to install Linux for me". Even people who had previously said that Linux wasn't good enough for them, because, as one person put it, "no modern system could be worse than Vista if it tried". Some people are even looking at moving to Mac. It says a lot to me if even people who used to be Microsoft-loving Windows users are now adamant about a permanent move away from Microsoft. I'm not sure how long this "permanent" move will last for some of them, but I'm going to enjoy it while I can.
  • by pspada ( 998105 ) on Thursday February 01, 2007 @08:39PM (#17852940)
    ...than about your experience as a user. It's been getting worse in this respect for years. When you add in the extreme DRM included, I will never "upgrade" to any version of Vista for my own use.
  • by JordanL ( 886154 ) <jordan,ledoux&gmail,com> on Thursday February 01, 2007 @08:41PM (#17852962) Homepage

    Overall, I think Vista is a gradual evolution of the Windows platform.
    Don't delude yourself into thinking that tech savvy people don't put the heat on Apple for their similarly moderate improvements version over version because their Apple. Apple releases them every 1.5-2 years.

    This took Microsoft over SIX years to send out. People aren't saying it's not a gradual improvement, people are asking why the hell it took Microsoft SIX years to make such gradual improvement, how long its going to be before they make their next incompatable "gradual improvement", and whether or not Microsoft even has an R&D department. Most of the things they did were very clearly innovated by someone else.

    -Security's a problem? Let's create something that will let us blame the user. (UAC)
    -Games going to other OSs are a problem? Let's rewrite an incompatable DX10.
    -Third party drivers for video crads are crashing our driver model? Let's just gimp the third parties so that they can't and do it ourselves. (Bonus for gimping OpenGL.)
    -GUI/useability is a problem? Let's just slice and dice some Linux and OS X elements.

    The problem is not that Vista is incremental in change, it's that its incremental, it took six years, and Microsoft is forcing the incompatability anyways.
  • Re:In other words (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday February 01, 2007 @08:42PM (#17852966)
    Sorry, Vista is not stable. And systems that aren't stable are often very insecure.

    For example, look at this error message you get when installing Apache on Vista: http://cse.unl.edu/~mpeters/Site/lulz.html [unl.edu]

    IE7, which forms one of the cornerstones of Windows Vista, also suffers from some pretty serious problems. Here's a screenshot showing IE7 consuming 99% of some fellow's CPU time, in addition to over 1 GB of RAM: http://www.allsorthost.com/is_ie7_ment_to_kill_my_ cpu/ [allsorthost.com]

  • by Darby ( 84953 ) on Thursday February 01, 2007 @09:02PM (#17853180)
    This reminds me of some ads I've seen "BASF... We don't make the things you buy, we make the things you buy better." Remember those? It was like they were purposely saying, "99% of you within the sound of our voice, we don't care about you... you can't even choose to buy our products or not, because they're everywhere in everything. To the other 1%... look how much we can waste on this - that's how big we are."

    My thought when seeing those was it was more geared towards potential investors. If you've never heard of the company you're less likely to buy stock in it yada yada.
    Of course, that is just what popped into my head when I tsaw the ads, so it could be completely wrong.

  • by dreamlax ( 981973 ) on Thursday February 01, 2007 @09:32PM (#17853468)

    I worked in retail once. We sold Office 2003 for $199 NZD. We made about $14 per copy, so we stopped selling software. The computer industry in general never gave retailers much in terms of margins. Laptops etc. would make sometimes less than half of what other products would at the same selling price.

    Still . . . if you don't stock it, that's $14 in someone else's till. Well at least that's what my boss always used to say. I told him it's not worth the time and effort for $14. Software and IT weren't really our clientele anyway.

    [Insert a story that goes on and on about a guy who works in a retail store here.]

    So the moral is . . . if you work in retail (or in my case, an independent retailer belonging to an appliance group), then don't stock software. Bananas, bonsai trees, and corrugated iron sheets also don't seem to belong in retail, but I found that out the hard way.

  • by david.emery ( 127135 ) on Thursday February 01, 2007 @09:40PM (#17853540)
    That's where WinTel and the rise of the 'CIO Culture' coincided. WinTel produced products optimized to make CIOs important, CIOs grew important trying to make WinTel, particularly Windows, work. The Intel part makes gigabucks on supporting each new product, that provides additional demands on computers. (Truly, what do you do now that requires several orders of magnitude more computational power than you did 10 years ago? If you're like most people, running email, word processing, low compexity spreadsheets, simple graphics programs for presentations and the like, I'd assert "not much." Sure we have more glitz, but does anyone think that MS Word now is that much more functional than MS Word 5 was on Windows 95???)

    CIOs and Micro$oft have been an evil combination. CIOs gain authority by fielding systems that have some sense of 'business case' but that require expensive tech support staff. Windows moves capabilities away from end users and to CIOs and corporate overhead. End users get stuck with problems that only CIOs can fix, but the CIO -never- has to pay for employee downtime when the computer goes south. In the meantime, the Microsoft monopoly grows, and no CIO gets fired for buying Microsoft, no matter how bad the crap from Redmond is (and there has been some -real crap- from Redmond.)

    This clearly started with WinNT's focus on 'the managed user experience' and was obvious to me by 2000. So I'm only surprised it's taken others so long. Geez, and they talk about -Steve Jobs'- reality distortion field!!

            dave (they get my Mac when they pry it from my cold, dead fingers, -or- they indemnify me against all of the delay, downtime and inconvenience of the alternatives...)
  • by titzandkunt ( 623280 ) on Thursday February 01, 2007 @10:53PM (#17854208)

    "...This reminds me of some ads I've seen "BASF... We don't make the things you buy, we make the things you buy better." Remember those? It was like they were purposely saying, "99% of you within the sound of our voice, we don't care about you... you can't even choose to buy our products or not, because they're everywhere in everything. To the other 1%... look how much we can waste on this - that's how big we are."

    I disagree. The purpose, in my view, of adverts like this is purely to spend money on advertising. Lots of money.

    They're spending monay on apparently pointless advertising, but what they're actually buying is leverage.

    "What? You're going to run a story about a chemical spill at our plant in NJ / boardroom shenanigans / etc etc etc...? We'll might have to re-examine our advertising strategy!".

    Much like the dead tree games mags of old, the big advertisers of today never seem to get a bad write up.

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