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Lycos Deletes Emails and Says 'Too Bad!' 513

Billosaur writes "The Consumerist brings us a tale of woe which is apparently generating outrage in some quarters, along with death threats. Lycos email customer Whitney did not access her account for 30 days. This resulted in Lycos deleting over two years worth of email. It isn't so much Lycos' policy that's the problem (though that requires some scrutiny), but the response of the 'manager of all of Customer Service,' Mike Jandreau. Apparently he's not too service oriented, as his exchange with Whitney shows. And since this story was posted to The Consumerist, apparently Mr. Jandreau has become the focus of some unwanted attention. Of course, his final response to her might have something to with it: 'I'm sorry, no one here has any intentions of helping you with anything. I am the manager of all of Customer Service. There is no one higher than me that you will speak with. You violated our policy, which is, despite what you say, completely clear. No one is holding anything hostage. Your e-mails have been completely deleted, and no amount of money can now restore them.'"
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Lycos Deletes Emails and Says 'Too Bad!'

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  • by JackHoffman ( 1033824 ) on Friday February 02, 2007 @04:58PM (#17864826)
    If you get an email address from them, you agree to their policy, which is to delete email accounts that haven't been accessed in a while. The grace period is longer at other providers, but it is still a very common type of rule, simply because users never bother to remove old accounts. They would just pile up if there was no rule in place to delete accounts after some inactivity. In fact, I find it comforting that Lycos actually deletes email and doesn't keep it around forever. If I were offered the choice of two types of accounts, one which can not ever be deleted and one which expires after a month, I'd take the latter.
  • Before it starts... (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Apocalypse111 ( 597674 ) on Friday February 02, 2007 @05:00PM (#17864856) Journal
    Before too many people begin criticizing this woman for using a free email service and not following the terms of the account, let me just say that this is as much about them deleting her email as it is the responses she received from management. Go read the replies she got from the head of Customer Service. That kind of answer is totally unprofessional. There are words used to describe people who exhibit that kind of behavior, words akin to "douche bag" and "asshole". Personally, I was unaware that those were job titles used at Lycos...
  • Well, from what I understand of what happened, that was Lycos' policy. She didn't log in for two weeks, and her email got "deleted." I put that in quotes, because it sounds like it really got put into hiding, or escrow, or something. (Basically, a logical delete but without a physical delete, or something like it.) Then they offered to give it back to her, IF she upgraded to the $19.95 "Premium" service.

    The customer got pissed, because to her, this looked like extortion (although, it's probably legit), and apparently said as such to the Customer Service Asshole.

    The Asshole, rather than just toeing the company line and saying "well, I'm sorry, but that's our policy -- now cough up the $20 if you want your email back, peasant" decided to go on a power trip, and said that her email was now permanently, irrevocably deleted, and that nothing -- even upgrading -- would ever bring it back.

    So they did make her the offer to restore it at one point, for a fee, but then something happened (whether it was the Asshole actually deleting it, or something else, like a deadline to re-up) and the offer went away.

    It's the taking-back of the offer to recover the emails that's so suspicious. Requiring you to pay a fee to get your expired emails back is sleazy, but not that unexpected. As you point out, a lot of places do it. But what's far sketchier, is when they say they can recover it for a fee, but then abruptly change their story and claim that it's physically deleted.
  • Re:It is his fault (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 02, 2007 @05:20PM (#17865220)
    While I agree with regularly logging in to and confirming the state of email accounts, I can't help but notice a slight flaw.

    All account users will not always have access to their accounts within 30 days. Accidents, illnesses, vacations, jail time, power outages, disasters, and missed bill payments. While it is nice to have a free mail account it's bridging on fantasy to work with a short account login turnaround. Forgetfulness is the fault of the user, but completely deleting all files and parading around the fact they can't be recovered (even for a free account) is just nasty.

    Though in the end the true lesson is: back your mails up if they mean something to you.
  • by NerveGas ( 168686 ) on Friday February 02, 2007 @05:28PM (#17865376)
    I think that what you think doesn't really matter. Poor, little, picked-on Whitney was the only one of the two parties which didn't hold up her end of the agreement. She can whine/complain/state/whatever all day long, but she is still the one in the wrong, and it's just too bad that the world won't bend over backwards just to accomodate her free-loading ways.

    The only thing that changes behavior is accountability. Facing the consequences of your decisions is always painful. Some people learn from the mistake, some people try to weasel out of it. It's fairly obvious which type of person she is, and I wouldn't be surprised if you, too, fell into the same category.

    It always amazes me just how much people will whine when *free* services don't meet their expectations...
  • Re:Free service (Score:3, Interesting)

    by smash ( 1351 ) on Friday February 02, 2007 @05:44PM (#17865718) Homepage Journal
    This is exactly what you get if Linux or any other free O/S deletes your data for no apparent reason. HOWEVER if you read the EULA for Windows, it is ALSO exactly what you get if Windows does the same thing.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 02, 2007 @05:50PM (#17865814)
    Mixed feelings here too. That last response from customer service was rude. But it was in response to a hysterical customer. The TOS gives them the right to delete email. Yes, it didn't say REQUIRE but it was up to their discretion. The customer doesn't understand that? If she had paid for the service then I would agree that she deserved more rights. The customer is not always right.
  • Re:It is his fault (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Arathrael ( 742381 ) on Friday February 02, 2007 @05:50PM (#17865820)
    That wouldn't necessarily have helped. My hotmail account got marked inactive, and all the email in it wiped, despite my checking it at least once every couple of weeks.

    According to their support people, their system thought I hadn't logged in for 30 days because opening it via msn doesn't count. Here's the exact quote:

    Sign in to your account directly. You need to manually enter your password in the MSN Hotmail sign in page in order for our system to detect that you are still actively using your account. If you access your mailbox through MSN Messenger and others where you do not manually enter your password, our system will not be able to detect you actively using your account.
    Oddly, I only ever check my hotmail via msn and this only happened once over a period of many years. Personally, I think they just delete random accounts occasionally for a laugh. Fortunately I never really trusted them to start off with so I didn't use it for anything serious. It was still annoying though.

    Of course, the best bit of the response was where they suggested I subscribe to Hotmail Plus and said they looked forward to providing me with a 'consistent and effective service'...
  • by NerveGas ( 168686 ) on Friday February 02, 2007 @06:05PM (#17866090)
    It's still free to her. It's just being subsidized by paying customers. Either way, she wants someone else to cover the bill to recover her data, even though it was her fault in the first place.

    Don't get me wrong, I can appreciate the idea of trying to get what you can... but there's a point where you're just being a free-loading parasite, and if *I* had acted the way she admits to acting, I'd feel like I had crossed that line.

    I also suspect that she wasn't entirely forthcoming with *her* side of the story... I wouldn't be surprised to find that she was even more obnoxious than she admitted to, but we'll probably never have a complete transcript of both sides, so I can only go on what she says.
  • Re:What? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by computational super ( 740265 ) on Friday February 02, 2007 @06:26PM (#17866424)
    the "no" should have sounded a little more like, "sorry, but no"

    I must wonder, though, how many "sorry, but no" responses came before the "not so sorry, but no" response, but weren't represented in her blog. Remember, the customer service rep didn't get a chance to tell his side of the story.

  • by asc99c ( 938635 ) on Friday February 02, 2007 @07:14PM (#17867066)
    Not sure if this can really be true, but it does appear that the guy genuinely is the head of customer services. Regardless of whether it's a free service or not I think a company that intentionally behaves with that attitude deserves all it gets. It's free because they're getting advertising revenue, so they're being paid indirectly.

    Hotmail did similar stuff to me which was very annoying and lost me a few years of email. I've just moved to using Gmail instead. My hotmail account is still used a lot but not much important stuff happens there - it's just for stuff where I expect to be spammed.
  • Re:corporatespeak (Score:5, Interesting)

    by giminy ( 94188 ) on Friday February 02, 2007 @07:26PM (#17867208) Homepage Journal
    I'm sorry for your inconvenience, but we've provided the service that you signed up for.

    The word 'you' is used too much, as in the above sentence. I would recommend the following edit:

    "Dear so-and-so, I am Such-and-such and am responsible for all decisions regarding Customer Service. At this time, we have followed our normal policy for free accounts. I would like to point out that we offered the opportunity to upgrade the account, which would have added the account to our backups and would have permitted a restoration. Unfortunately, we received no response in the 48 hours alloted per terms of the free account service agreement. As such, an automated process made room for other accounts by expuging the data. The process used makes the data unrecoverable. I am sorry for the inconvenience. Please provide comments that will help us improve our service for not only yourself, but also for our other valued customers. Sincerely, Such-and-such"

    'You' is a very confrontational word. When in doubt, refer to the item at hand (e.g. 'the data' not 'your data', 'the account' not 'your account'). I especially like the sentence "The process used makes the data unrecoverable." You really have to unravel it to place meaning to it. "The process" oh, that was run by you guys, okay. 'the data'. oh, that was my account. Crap.

    This sort of passivation makes eyes glaze over and also tricks our brains into not parsing the whole thing at a time. It's hard to associate bad guy A with doing bad thing B if both A and B are obscured behind intermediaries.

    I add the last 'yourself' in there on the off-chance that the customer will come back. It doesn't hurt to leave the door open.

    You can trust me, I work for the government (no, really, I do).
    Reid
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 02, 2007 @08:26PM (#17867892)

    I think it's ironic the number of Slashdot readers who are ready to crucify this guy for being honest rather than hiding behind corporate doublespeak and faux politeness - say what you want about this guy, but at least he's not an insincere, two-faced, backstabbing PHB.

    Perhaps, perhaps not. He's upset at the attention and demanded the Consumerist take down his photograph [consumerist.com], and while he's claimed he's received death threats and people have shown up at the office looking for him in his message, he says this at the end:

    I immediately request that this website and photograph be removed, as it is a violation of my privacy.
    Under Federal Law, you must comply with this request."

    Now the photograph in question came from here [moviesnobs.net] and is still up at the moment. I'm also not aware of any federal law that makes it illegal to post a photograph of someone in general. Copyright might apply, but he mentions it nowhere in the message. So basically he's trying to scare them into taking it down. Still think he's not an "insincere, two-faced, backstabbing PHB"? I'd say he's proving quite well that the original quote was exactly what he said. That he thinks he can stop the negative attention he's brought on himself by being more of a jerk (using baseless threats) really proves the point quite well.

    And do note that the Consumerist put this at the TOP of the page, not after the guy's letter:

    If people are really sending Mike death threats and showing up at his workplace, please stop. That's no way to go about this and you're going to get yourselves in trouble.

    So they're discouraging people from doing the types of things (death threats) that very well might violate a federal law or two.

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