Vista - iPod Killer? 557
JMB wrote us with a dire warning, as reported by the San Jose Mercury News. Apple is cautioning its Windows-using iTunes customers to steer clear of Vista until the next iTunes update. The reason for this is a bit puzzling. Apparently, if you try to 'safely remove' your iPod from a Vista-installed PC, there's a chance you may corrupt the little music player. They also claim that songs may not play, and contacts may not sync with the device. Apple went so far as to release a detailed support document on the subject, which assures users that a new Vista-compatible version of the software will be available in a few weeks. Is this just some very creative FUD? If it is not who do you think is 'at fault' here, Microsoft or Apple?
Who to blame? (Score:5, Insightful)
Move along, nothing to see (Score:2, Insightful)
Strange ... (Score:1, Insightful)
Corrupting a little music player (Score:5, Insightful)
There's no evidence of anything ; we don't even know what happened.
You might as well sprinkle M&M's all over a busy freeway beside a Richard Simmons retreat. People are going to rush into this one and end up looking pretty stupid.
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Don't even get me started on looking stupid [douginadress.com].
Beta doesn't equal Golden Master (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Studios should object to Apple DRM (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:Apple is spreading FUD (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Who to blame? (Score:5, Insightful)
So, I think we are seeing a bit of brinksmanship from both sides - the one who admits first that their product is the one at fault loses mindshare.
Re:It's apples fault (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It's apples fault (Score:5, Insightful)
It drives me nuts when you need to use fancy software to download/upload from your camera/mp3-player/etc. It isn't like there aren't standards out there that would work perfectly well...
Vista compatibility (Score:5, Insightful)
With that in mind...
If it is not who do you think is 'at fault' here, Microsoft or Apple?
Since Apple isn't whining about Microsoft's Vista compatibility (they would definitely be in a position to do so, especially with Microsoft's recent lashes at Apple), but taking full responsibility at fixing their app ASAP, and that application incompatibilities hasn't been overly common in Vista (it's far worse with drivers), I'd say that Apple has made a boo-boo at their software design. They aren't great developers of Windows applications anyway, as any user of Windows QuickTime vs Apple QuickTime should be able to confirm.
Re:It's apples fault (Score:4, Insightful)
DOS ain't done till Lotus won't run (Score:3, Insightful)
What flamebait this is... (Score:3, Insightful)
Why don't we talk more about how Nvidia promised us Vista support and largely failed. Note that Apple never promised us that... If you can't even install Vista on your computer, why worry about syncing your iPod with it. I personally just got vista on my high-end Nforce4 machine yesterday. I had to use these workaround drivers from a community website to get Vista to even install on my integrated nvidia RAID setup. Now with all the WHCL signed drivers and the machine all set up, it will periodically just crash. Works great other than that, except for using 515 MB of RAM just to boot.
Pick your battles fools. BTW, iTunes works perfectly for playing music on Vista.
Plea$e $top... (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Microsoft is at fault (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:I dunno.. (Score:3, Insightful)
I'd argue that the sensible course of action would be to make sure that your #1 money making product actually worked on a new operating system that was likely to gain significant market share in a very short time.
Re:It's apples fault (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:It's apples fault (Score:2, Insightful)
Wow. That's even more efficient than the old 8.3 filenames in DOS.
Did they really need to be that efficient, or is it just part of their DRM scheme, the same as the design to make it impossible to 'drag-n-drop-n-play' files?
Re:Who to blame? (Score:3, Insightful)
Actually, the Apple way would be to throw the disk icon in the trash. It's always been an Apple thing to prevent inadvertently removing a mounted volume. It's actually more of a Windows/DOS thing to allow you to physically remove a volume without making sure it is unmounted.
Re:It's apples fault (Score:5, Insightful)
Who cares? Does that mean Apple needs to sink to their level? The vast majority of iPod owners use it on Windows, so it really doesn't seem to be best for the customer (as Apple is always claiming to be their motivation) not to support Vista properly. I'm a bit disappointed by Apple's obvious attempt to make Vista look bad on release at the expense of their customers.
Re:Tagged appleduh (Score:5, Insightful)
Let's be real. A zillion people have iPods and run XP. Tell any of them that not only will Vista cost them an arm and a leg (need new hardware + new OS), it may have problems with their iPod and more imporantly may fuxor their iPod when they connect / disconnect it - and how many are going to be rushing out to upgrade?
Aero / glass is nice, but not nice enough to risk fuxor'ing my iPod over.
Re:That "fairly stable api" didn't help Microsoft (Score:5, Insightful)
So, when a third-party company finally gets the latest API info, specs out the required changes and their implications, codes it up, runs it through QA, gets sign-off from all the parties (HI, VI, Engineering, Management, X-functional team managers), and gets it out in a couple of months, it's not so bad, really. Oh wait, we're bashing Apple today. BAD APPLE.
Simon.
Re:It's apples fault (Score:4, Insightful)
Since my iPod has never, ever in its life seen any files with DRM, it can't be part of any "DRM scheme".
Re:It's apples fault (Score:5, Insightful)
Re:It's apples fault (Score:3, Insightful)
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Whos fault? (Score:3, Insightful)
Microsoft has a directly competing product, and while it may not be intentional, ( if it was, they would be sued yet again by the FTC ) they arent going to rush out and fix the problem.
Re:precisely (Score:5, Insightful)
Usually, this kind of thing indicates that Microsoft is breaking their competitors' products on purpose, using their monopoly on the OS as leverage. Lots of examples came out in the antitrust case. This is probably one more.
Re:Tagged appleduh (Score:2, Insightful)