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Google Apps to Become Paid Service 273

FredDC writes "Business Week reports Google Apps is becoming a paid service soon for companies who wish to use it for their domain. Disney and Pixar are reportedly thinking about switching to Google Apps instead of using Microsoft Office. Could this be the end of a monopoly? Or the start of a new one?"
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Google Apps to Become Paid Service

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  • by Whiney Mac Fanboy ( 963289 ) * <whineymacfanboy@gmail.com> on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @07:44PM (#17928014) Homepage Journal
    WTF? Why is Pixar considering Google Apps? Isn't Apple's .mac service up to scratch?

    Anyway, I've been using Apps for my personal domain for quite a while. It's pretty great for a freebie - just point your mx records at google, create an admin account and google takes care of everything else. Setup catch all accounts, gmail accounts for different users, calender, gtalk, etc are all there.

    But I won't continue to use it if it costs anything. Like I said, its great for a freebie.
    • Re: (Score:3, Funny)

      Why is Pixar considering Google Apps?

      Maybe because Microsoft Office won't be a Universal binary until later this year?
      • by Whiney Mac Fanboy ( 963289 ) * <whineymacfanboy@gmail.com> on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @07:54PM (#17928174) Homepage Journal
        Maybe because Microsoft Office won't be a Universal binary until later this year?

        I don't expect people to read the article, but at least read the comment you're replying to.

        Google Apps for your domain is not an online office suite, but a gmail, gtalk, gcalender, etc for your domain.
        • by uhlume ( 597871 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:59PM (#17928804) Homepage
          Ever hear of Writely [google.com]? Google Spreadsheets [google.com]? Presently [slashdot.org]? Why on earth would you assume that the current (beta) incarnation of Google Apps for Your Domain is anything more than an initial offering?
          • Yes, I've heard of all of them, and expect them to be rolled into Apps at some stage.

            However, consider the context of my statement: Why is Pixar considering Google Apps? Isn't Apple's .mac service up to scratch?

            Reading the article, its perfectly clear that Pixar is considering Google's email service:

            Greg Brandeau is itching to dump the decade-old, homegrown e-mail system he manages at Pixar Animation Studios Inc. (DIS ). And the senior vice-president for technology at the Walt Disney Co. (DIS ) unit is sur

            • by node 3 ( 115640 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @10:43PM (#17929658)
              Probably because it would seem weird for all *Pixar* employees to have "@mac.com" email addresses. .Mac is really an excellent service for the home user. For the enterprise, not so much (nor is it intended to be).

              Pixar and Disney going with Google Apps would have significant implications (all good, I think) for .Mac.
    • "WTF? Why is Pixar considering Google Apps? Isn't Apple's .mac service up to scratch?"

      I wasn't aware that .mac offered an office suite...?
      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by rm69990 ( 885744 )
        Ummm...Google Apps for your domain doesn't include an office suite yet either. Google Docs has yet to be integrated into GAFYD.
    • by Space cowboy ( 13680 ) * on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @07:50PM (#17928110) Journal
      .mac isn't an application suite - it's basically a shared disk (the 'iDisk'), a webmail interface (although 'Mail' is much better), and a place to put your website. Oh, you can sync your address book through it as well... It has peripheral advantages, if you use other mac apps ... the "casting" abilities of the iApps, for example, where I can publish/subscribe to various document-formats (eg: iPhoto does 'photocasts'); it's only really being used as a network-shared disk in this instance though.

      It's actually one of the few things I think must have slipped under Steve's radar - I don't think .Mac is worth the money.

      Simon.
      • Re: (Score:2, Redundant)

        .mac isn't an application suite - it's basically a shared disk (the 'iDisk'), a webmail interface (although 'Mail' is much better), and a place to put your website

        Google Apps isn't an application suite either its gmail, gtalk, gcalender, etc for your domain.
        • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

          by Space cowboy ( 13680 ) *
          I thought the apps included the 'docs and spreadsheets' module ? It'd be a bit weird to omit them ... of course it doesn't run on Safari just yet, and I can't be bothered to install Firefox just to find out...

          Simon
    • by sootman ( 158191 )
      Are you kidding? .mac BLOWS. Hint: did Steve Jobs even mention .mac during the freaking iPhone introduction?

      If .mac isn't going onto Apple's own product, no way in hell is Pixar going to use it just because of Steve's presence.
    • by erbmjw ( 903229 )
      Please note the very important phrase

      a paid service soon for companies who wish to use it for their domain.
      The way I understand the phrase, any company that want Google apps as a dedicated service will have to pay for it.Thus you and I as individuals aren't required to pay for it.
      • The way I understand the phrase, any company that want Google apps as a dedicated service will have to pay for it.Thus you and I as individuals aren't required to pay for it.

        Hmmmmmmn, good news if true, but how is google supposed to know whether wmf.com is my personal domain or a company domain?
      • by Aladrin ( 926209 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:28PM (#17928502)

        That statement was pulled out of their asses. The Google Apps page has always said it would be free for beta, and then after beta, new signups will be charged. I know, because the company I work for has made the switch. We were looking for new email hosting at the time anyhow, and that came up as a recommendation. After weighing the alternatives, and treating GMail as if it was costing the same as the others (so as not to give it unfair advantage in our minds, as it has to be GOOD for our company) we still chose GMail.

        There has been a few snags. No IMAP, POP3 implementation sucks, SMTP and POP3 both require use of secure ports, no folders (tags instead, useless to a pop3 client), and some (minor, temporary) hassles now and then with adding email lists, names to email lists, new accounts, and setting forwards.

        If I had my vote again, I might choose to have the company pay for a managed email solution... But were on it, and weve worked out most of the kinks. And I love GMails interface. Ive given up on Thunderbird and just use the web interface now.

        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          by fangorious ( 1024903 )

          SMTP and POP3 both require use of secure ports

          How is that a bad thing?

          no folders (tags instead, useless to a pop3 client)

          Wouldn't filing the email in a separate folder on the server mean your POP3 client won't receive a copy? Either way, not having folders on the server doesn't affect your ability to organize into folders locally with your POP3 client.

          • by Aladrin ( 926209 )

            Because they require it. If your email client doesnt support that, itd be a major pain.

            My company was used to IMAP, where the server kept the folders seperate. Being forced to move to pop, and then the webmail tags not being able to be used to categorize mail... Well, there was grumbling.

    • "Why is Pixar considering Google Apps? Isn't Apple's .mac service up to scratch?"

      Perhaps because they don't use Apple computers? I don't work there, but I read that their back-end is all renderman on Linux and their artists are mainly using Maya on XP. (to ease the eventual transition to a unified Maya/Max environ perhaps?)

    • by drix ( 4602 )
      I think one thing that everyone might be overlooking is training. I'll bet half the people at Pixar already use gmail. Pixar won't have to spend squat retraining them on something else. As I'm sure anyone who has worked in corporate IT will tell you, don't underestimate how much lost productivity can result from a well-intentioned new rollout, or even just an upgrade. I witnessed this effect firsthand when I had to move a small office off of Outlook Express (bleh) and onto something else. At first I conside
  • Gamma (Score:5, Funny)

    by Skadet ( 528657 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @07:46PM (#17928034) Homepage
    Wait, does this mean a Google product is out of beta? Stop the presses!!!
    • by garcia ( 6573 )
      Wait, does this mean a Google product is out of beta? Stop the presses!!!

      There's no way that they are seriously considering using the office suite to do anything productive or to replace Microsoft Office (or whatever other suite they use).

      Go ahead and open a document and try hitting the insert key on your keyboard. Yeah, it doesn't work.

      If *that* doesn't work, I just can't bring myself to move any further into the application to consider it.

      So to answer your question, "no, it's not." :)
      • Re:Gamma (Score:5, Interesting)

        by aaronl ( 43811 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:34PM (#17928546) Homepage
        I know it isn't the point, but take a look at the keyboard in these pictures:

        http://www.activewin.com/screenshots/officexpkeybo ard/images/officekeyboard.JPG [activewin.com]
        http://home.uchicago.edu/~iyjung/bigpictures/48.jp g [uchicago.edu]

        That is the way MS is pushing for layouts. Do you notice that the Insert key isn't there? It's now a control key off of some other random key. Which key that is will change between just about every keyboard model.

        Sure, we can keep the Caps Lock key in the wrong place, hell, even on dedicated key at all, but we get rid of the Insert key. Go figure.
        • Re: (Score:2, Insightful)

          I think moving the END key is a bigger loss on those keyboards than moving the INSERT. INSERT has long been the copy / paste key (depending on the modifier key), but that is giving way to CTRL+C/V on Windows (which is who M$ makes hardware for). I think even some window environments on Linux use CTRL+C/V (though the last time I used Linux on the desktop, it was often inconsistent). However, all text editing that I know of on PCs uses END to go to the end of a line or CTRL+END to go to the end of the docu
        • what - there's "spell", "forward", "send", and "reply" but no "cut", "copy", or "paste".

          I haven't asked a computer to spell-check my document in years... The squiggly underlines help me fix spelling as I type.
        • I love the bigger delete key. I thought I'd hate it, but I always use CTRL+C/CTRL+V or vi anyhow, and I delete a lot more than I need to toggle "insert/overwrite". That said, you're right about the caps lock, they should have moved that one off to la-la land.
          • by RESPAWN ( 153636 )
            I used one of those new keyboards extensively at work for a few weeks and I HATED it. It was especially hard to use since all of my keyboards at home are PC standard layout. Delete wasn't hard to find, but I also always seemed to find the Delete key whenever I was trying to hit the End key. (Notice how, with the directional keys shifted left, Delete is also located directly above Up. I always reach for End from the directional keys, hitting Delete instead of End on the new keyboard.) Moving the Insert
  • Is google apps nice? Yes. Very. I love gmail, docs & spreadsheets... everything Google does. Is it better than Microsoft products? Only if price is a concern.

    Yes, Microsoft is the great evil, but they used to be "cool," kind of the way Google is now.

    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      This is only going to become a paid service for those who want to host it themselves. If you are going to continue to use Google's server's then the price remains free.
      • by geekoid ( 135745 )
        which really seems backwords.
      • Source? (Score:4, Informative)

        by spiritraveller ( 641174 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @09:11PM (#17928916)
        This is only going to become a paid service for those who want to host it themselves. If you are going to continue to use Google's server's then the price remains free.

        Where do you get that information? It wasn't in the article.

        When I signed up for Google Apps for Your Domain a few months ago, they said that they would eventually start charging for new user accounts, but user accounts that already exist will remain free when they transition to a paid service.
    • by pembo13 ( 770295 )
      When were they cool? Was that before my time?
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by xeus4200 ( 918440 )
      if using google is cool, then consider me miles davis
    • Re: (Score:2, Interesting)

      As much as I hate to admit this. Excel has 1 feature that I've found has saved me personally at least a week.

      Pivot Tables.

      Until something comes along to rival pivot tables, Excel isn't going anywhere.
  • Let's see... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Noryungi ( 70322 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @07:48PM (#17928080) Homepage Journal

    Buying Microsoft Office = expensive.
    Using Google Apps = US$ X per year.
    Downloading Open Office = free, except for the bandwidth (which you need to connect to Google Apps anyway).

    If I was in charge of a small company, I know what that company would use... and what solution would be the best to preserve it from our friends at the SPA.
    • Re:Let's see... (Score:5, Insightful)

      by anomalous cohort ( 704239 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @07:58PM (#17928222) Homepage Journal

      Contrary to the title, it's not MS-Office that google is going after, it is Exchange.

      Every Exchange admin I have ever spoken with claims that it is a nightmare to set up and maintain. There is a trend now to outsource that functionality. Google is targeting that market.

      • by Phrogman ( 80473 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:19PM (#17928412)
        I have read many times that its the lack of MS Exchange on *nix desktops that is the major stumbling block for a lot of businesses that have considered switching. If so, its fine by me if Google can offer an alternative to Exchange functionality for business users. Its much more likely that any google solution will be *nix compatible than anything MS will offer in the future.

        Now, if there was only some way Google could wrest control over the games industry from Microsoft and let game developers develop for alternative platforms a bit easier. My gaming habits are the only thing keeping me from leaving XP completely. I am not likely to stop gaming, I can't/won't play consoles, and the future looks pretty MS monopolistic to me unless something changes. I think there are a lot of people like me out there too.
        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by Red Flayer ( 890720 )

          Now, if there was only some way Google could wrest control over the games industry from Microsoft and let game developers develop for alternative platforms a bit easier.

          What, is Google forbidding them from developing for other platforms now? Is that the only thing keeping developers back?

          I'd think it would have something to do with MS's OS marketshare, but maybe that's me.

          And, of course, by reducing users' dependence on MS Office, this would qualify as something that helps reduce MS domination of the

        • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

          by MMaestro ( 585010 )
          I was with you up until you mentioned the games industry.

          The monolithic state of the (PC) gaming industry is not the fault of Microsoft. PC gaming before DirectX was flat-out terrible. Support for OpenGL (or lack thereof) is not the fault of Microsoft either. Fiddling around with drivers in Linux just to play a PC game is not for the vast, vast majority of gamers. Mac users were simply looked over due to lack of marketshare (although that may change with Intel chips being used now).

  • It wouldn't bother me one bit if the monopoly shifted from Microsoft to Google. They both have proven track records, both opposite.
  • Comment removed (Score:5, Interesting)

    by account_deleted ( 4530225 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @07:49PM (#17928100)
    Comment removed based on user account deletion
  • Google (Score:2, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward
    All your email belong to us.
  • by 140Mandak262Jamuna ( 970587 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @07:51PM (#17928118) Journal
    I cant imagine a real company allowing its data to be housed outside its control. But if google sells a server in a box that houses all the apps needed to meet most of the documents needed, it could make sense. IT takes care of maintaining this big server. And all the other people use stripped down pc with no USB dongle, no print screen, no copy-paste that runs a simple browser to create the documents and with a full audit trail for all printed copies, it makes sense. Really. Companies are paranoid about security. Currently any document in the intranet server can be saved to usb thumb drive, cut/paste into emails, or forwarded via emails ... If Google or any company can promise a full information lock-down to the management, they will get a sympathetic ear.
    • So why didn't EROS catch on? It had a trusted window manager that could provide similar restrictions.
    • by Firehed ( 942385 )
      Google Mini? [googlestore.com] It looks like they're local search-only indexing boxes right now, but I bet Google Apps will come on those eventually.
    • by ScentCone ( 795499 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @09:17PM (#17928966)
      I cant imagine a real company allowing its data to be housed outside its control.

      Guess what: a lot of real companies can't imagine trusting their most important data to only their in-house IT guys. Otherwise there wouldn't be successful companies that handle the outsourcing of hosted apps, backups, e-commerce, and so on. And there are. There are also plenty of companies that thought they had it all under control internally, and totally blew it.
    • And all the other people use stripped down pc with no USB dongle, no print screen, no copy-paste

      Uh huh. So people take screenshots with their cellphone. Much as I'd love to see cellphones banned, I'm not optimistic.

      If Google or any company promise "full information lock-down" to anybody, they'll be lying. DRM doesn't suddenly become less silly just because it's being applied to text rather than music/video.
    • I cant imagine a real company allowing its data to be housed outside its control.

      IBM makes several billion dollars per year on "Strategic Outsourcing". That's a fancy name for IBM hosting and operating the clients' data centers. It's particularly popular among big banks, and one of the reasons they like it is that they think IBM can do a better job of securing their data than they can. Also, it's supposed to cost less (not being a CIO myself, or an IBM salesman, I'm somewhat skeptical of both of those benefits, but, hey, would clients be signing $1+B/yr contracts if it weren't true

  • Could this be the end of a monopoly? Or the start of a new one?"

    It's only a monopoly when there's one ridiculously successful entity (or a group of aligned entities) that holds control over the market. This would only be a monopoly if Microsoft Office crashed and burned. This also completely discounts OpenOffice which has picked up a lot of steam recently. Just because Google has proven the "Do No Evil" catchphrase to be bogus, it doesn't mean that they can create a monopoly out of thin air.

  • by vijayiyer ( 728590 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @07:55PM (#17928184)
    The use of Google Apps will not create a monopoly. Rather, it will precede a shift to real open formats (i.e., not Microsoft's XML implementations) which are application agnostic. Interfaces, rather than applications, are what must be open to truly benefit consumers.
  • by cybrthng ( 22291 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @07:58PM (#17928208) Homepage Journal
    I'll be happy to speak about our Contnent Managment, Office and software as a service solutions. Give me a call toll free or visit my website for more info.

    Can a day go by where google doesn't make frontpage for doing something millions of other companies already do (and are frankly better at)

    thanks
  • Uh oh (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Excelcia ( 906188 ) <slashdot@excelcia.ca> on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @07:58PM (#17928220) Homepage Journal
    Google is doing what Microsoft has dreamed about forever - turn computer platforms into monthly revenue generators. This has been the source of erotic dreams for Microsoft executives forever. I don't care how cool a web application is, there is just something fundamentally wrong with having my productivity depend on someone else's servers.

    In some measure, this is already the case - how many people at work haven't searched online for solutions to problems encountered at work. This being one form of online dependence. This is a far cry from depending on an outside server. Think about the exposure to DoS attacks that this makes your company? Corporate war is just around the corner. Get a botnet to bring down your competitor's internet and their entire workforce productivity drops to zero.

    Additionally, just wait until some security hole opens up and a lawyer's documents are hacked into because they are being edited online.

    This is just a bad, bad idea on its face.
    • by nomadic ( 141991 )
      I don't care how cool a web application is, there is just something fundamentally wrong with having my productivity depend on someone else's servers.

      You're spot on about the Microsoft thing, they've been fantasizing about this for years. Every once in a while they try and drum up support for it, and fail miserably.

      My problem isn't about relying on someone else's servers, it's that something seems fundamentally wrong about being drained of money indefinitely. Maybe it's psychological rather than eco
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by kisielk ( 467327 )
        I don't know which world you live in but here real companies have ongoing costs ("being drained of money indefinitely") all the time. It's just part of the cost of doing business. Think about maintenance contracts for hardware, offsite backups, yearly software licenses. The company I work at already has their groupware and email administered by a third party as we're small (around 35 people) and have no dedicated IT staff, but by outsourcing these services we don't really need them.


      • My problem isn't about relying on someone else's servers, it's that something seems fundamentally wrong about being drained of money indefinitely. Maybe it's psychological rather than economic, but I'd rather buy something and own it.


        Dude, it's time to upgrade your Banyan VINES and Yggdrasil servers!

  • Tinfoil hat time (Score:5, Insightful)

    by TinBromide ( 921574 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @07:59PM (#17928226)
    Simply because a tiger hasn't eaten your face yet doesn't mean it won't in the future. We should be as suspicious of google as we are of any other big software company. Just because they have a catchy bumper sticker slogan doesn't inoculate them to the temptations of corporate culture.
    • Re:Tinfoil hat time (Score:5, Interesting)

      by ezratrumpet ( 937206 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:11PM (#17928330) Journal
      Should we be suspicious of every large business that started out small? At what point does a small, presumably non-corporate business become "big" and full of the "temptations of corporate culture"?

      Google's shareholders have virtually no voice in the operation of the company, remember? How can a company be answerable to people that never had a real voice in the company in the first place?

      Cautious? Sure. Suspicious? I'm not sure.
      • by EvanED ( 569694 ) <evaned@NOspAM.gmail.com> on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:27PM (#17928488)
        Should we be suspicious of every large business that started out small?

        Yes. (Then again, I tend to be very cynical about companies in general.)

        At what point does a small, presumably non-corporate business become "big" and full of the "temptations of corporate culture"?

        Hard to say, but if you can influence back door sessions of state legislatures I think that's a good indication you've crossed the boundary.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Kalriath ( 849904 )

        Google's shareholders have virtually no voice in the operation of the company, remember? How can a company be answerable to people that never had a real voice in the company in the first place?

        Not answerable per-se, but any company with shareholders (in most countries, including the US) is legally obliged to ensure that it acts in the best interests of the company as a whole and the shareholders in particular. It's not the shareholders they answer to (though the larger ones certainly do have a voice) it's the law.

        • by swillden ( 191260 ) <shawn-ds@willden.org> on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @10:47PM (#17929686) Journal

          Not answerable per-se, but any company with shareholders (in most countries, including the US) is legally obliged to ensure that it acts in the best interests of the company as a whole and the shareholders in particular.

          Not true.

          The officers of a corporation *are* legally required to operate the company in accordance with the articles of incorporation that define what the company's goals are. In most cases, a key goal in the articles is to increase shareholder value. But companies can (and are) formed with very different goals in mind. I could start a company whose primary goal is to waste its investors' cash as rapidly as possible while avoiding acquiring any tangible assets (the "Brewster's Millions" goal), and I would then be legally at risk if I were to invest shareholders' money in anything that might return a profit. Of course, it would probably be hard to find investors.

          In Google's case, I'm not sure exactly what the articles of incorporation say, but I suspect they contain at least some of the things found in Google's IPO Letter [google.com]. If that's true, then Google's execs do not, in fact, have the same obligation to focus on improving shareholder value that most company's do. Even if it's not in the articles of incorporation, the fact that Google made clear to potential investors that its primary goal is "to develop services that significantly improve the lives of as many people as possible" and that Google's leadership intends to focus on the long term even at the expense of the short term, means that shareholders can't claim that they expected Google to act outside of those parameters.

          Working against all that, of course, is the fact that those who are in control at Google are also shareholders and see significant personal financial gain from increased stock price.

    • Good point. Microsoft, in its infancy, did everything they could to appeal to consumers. Now look where they are.
  • by ReallyEvilCanine ( 991886 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:10PM (#17928320) Homepage
    Let's pretend $MegaCorp dumps MS Office and implements Google apps. What the fuck am I supposed to use to write my documents, spreadsheets and now presentations if I'm in a car, plane, train, backwards country -- wherever I can't jack into the Net? Notepad?
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by cwgmpls ( 853876 )
      You are referring to the 5% of the company, mostly high-level execs, that Disney expects to be productive while out of the office. Those people can still get MS Office. But Google Office can take care of 95% of Disney employees who don't need productivity while away from a desk, at a fraction of the cost and maintenance that MS Office requires.
    • Let's pretend $MegaCorp dumps MS Office and implements Google apps. What the fuck am I supposed to use to write my documents, spreadsheets and now presentations if I'm in a car, plane, train, backwards country -- wherever I can't jack into the Net? Notepad?

      Same thing you do now. Sync them to your laptop and use whatever apps you would normally. When finished, they get moved back to Google's servers.

      Did I miss the point? Why would anything change?
    • My proposal will feature Openoffice [openoffice.org]. I present to you, Megacorp, a product that will save money on even that 10% of the business that travels. The look and feel is even more similar to Google docs than MS, thereby not confusing the highly intelligent executives any more than necessary.
  • by Slashdot Junky ( 265039 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:12PM (#17928338)
    This won't even put a dent in the M$ office suite installed base, because locally installed apps still work when the network is down and/or having problems.

    Later,
    -Slashdot Junky
    • by Shados ( 741919 )
      I'm a microsoft fanboy myself...but.... if the network is down or having problems, Sharepoint and Team System stop working: thus, Office users, except those in smaller companies that keep everything in My Documents, are screwed -either way-.

      Hell, even in smaller companies, My Document is quite commonly on a network drive, for backup purposes.
      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by amRadioHed ( 463061 )

        Hell, even in smaller companies, My Document is quite commonly on a network drive, for backup purposes.
        Which sucks, btw, because Windows doesn't know what to do when your mounted network drives aren't available. Over two minutes of hanging while Windows tries to figure out that your file server isn't available? That's real reasonable when it takes the ping command no more than a few seconds to figure out the same.
        • by Shados ( 741919 )
          Well, to be fair, its because Windows uses "discovery" a lot. It has like 50 bazillion ways to find a server, and the IP is just one of em...so 2 minutes is while it tries them all, in case a configuration change.

          You SHOULD have an option to force it to only use one particular method, because the above scenario is rare. Oh well >.> Didn't have network issues in ages where I work, so it worked fine for us :)
  • by gravyface ( 592485 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:28PM (#17928496)
    Seriously, for all the Web-based e-mail/office applications, I'm surprised at how little effort or thought is put towards migrating legacy data. SugarCRM and Gmail at least have some import capabilities (Outlook contacts in CSV format) but what about all of your old mail, calendar items, to-do/task lists, Excel macros, and Access databases? Every time one of my colleagues suggests yet-another-Web-based AJAX office suite, I shake my head and wonder how they expect existing organizations and individuals to switch without some sort of well-planned migration strategy?

    Look, I'm not expecting some nifty migration wizard to automagically convert my existing data to $shinyWebbyOfficeSuite (I've been through enough Novell to Microsoft migrations to know that never works) but I'd like to see one of these would-be Office alternatives make a concerted effort to bring me on board besides marketing and hype.
  • by hereschenes ( 813329 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:30PM (#17928516)

    Where are the pedants decrying the spelling of the word "innstead"? Shame on you all!

    Hang on a second... I think I just poured mockery on myself.
  • by rtechie ( 244489 )
    I think virtually any office environment would be insane fools to replace Microsoft Office with Google's apps. I'm really stunned that nobody on /. has pointed out the glaringly obvious problems:

    1. The Internet

    If for any reason the company loses it's internet access (this NEVER happens) that company has NO access to any of their internal data yet they still have to pay for that non-existant access. One fiber cut or lightning strike can knock out internet access for days for many companies. If they were runn
  • A replacement for Outlook and Exchange, maybe. But "Google Apps for Your Domain", the service in question, isn't an office suite.

    It is:

    1. Domain registration
    2. Website hosting
    3. Email hosting (with POP and webmail)
    4. Calendar hosting (with CalDav and web-based calendaring)
    5. Chat (Jabber-based, can tie-in with Google Talk)


    It is *NOT* a replacement for Word, Excel, or PowerPoint. That is 'Google Docs & Spreadsheet' (minus the presentation software, which is rumored to be coming soon.)

    • It is *NOT* a replacement for Word, Excel, or PowerPoint. That is 'Google Docs & Spreadsheet' (minus the presentation software, which is rumored to be coming soon.)

      Why wouldn't you expect the offerings to be integrated in the near future. It seems impossible to me that they won't do that.
  • by nurb432 ( 527695 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:52PM (#17928724) Homepage Journal
    I dont see them killing off MSO, nor becoming anything other then a 'fad'.

    The professional world in general isnt ready for 3rd party hosting of their daily bread and butter apps, yet. Someday perhaps, but after being stung from the last attempt at a return to the concept of ASPs, not many will step up to the plate again for a while.
  • by gsn ( 989808 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:54PM (#17928750)
    They aren't trying to replace Office (though if they include the Google Docs and Spreadsheet and PPT thing I'd be happy) - they are trying to replace corporate mail systems. Harvard
    http://www.thecrimson.com/article.aspx?ref=516036 [thecrimson.com] has been looking into it and I'd be thrilled if they do use a GMail like interface because the current FAS webmail system is a piece of tripe. (I logged into it once and then went back to SSH and pine - some departments don't even have a webmail interface because the damn thing is so bad).

    The added storage space and some savings you'd get from moving to Google Apps is nice but a lot of students (well in Physics,astronomy anyway) still need to be able to SSH in and start a remote X session, which I don't see happening soon, so they are still going to have to spend money on their own servers. As the article points out Google isn't without competition - Windows has Live @edu (run away) and there is .mac (which needs to allow something.edu before its going anywhere and it'd be nice to have a Windows/*nix port of Backup). Personally I think the best solution for Harvard at least is to shut up and spend money and buy additional space, and redesign the webmail client (just keep pine around).
  • by FleaPlus ( 6935 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @08:57PM (#17928784) Journal
    Does anybody know what the implications of Sarbanes-Oxley are for doing this? After all, Disney is a public company, and SOX has a number of regulations regarding how public companies are permitted to store their data. Are hosted apps ok?
  • Charging for BETA? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by dlim ( 928138 )
    Does that mean Google is going to drop the "Beta" testing? Who charges for beta apps?
  • Pick Your Platform (Score:3, Informative)

    by iCharles ( 242580 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @09:56PM (#17929236) Homepage
    This could be quite nice. It could potentially meant that, if all documents are in a web-based tool, my underlying platform becomes less relevant. I could use my company-issued POS, or I could use my MacBook. Who cares, so long as I have a browser?

    OTOH, I'd have to rely on internet access. I couldn't work on my documents in a plane.
  • ck Microsoft? With the help of Google? Who would have thought? That's why Gates is getting a little jumpy...
  • by cmacb ( 547347 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @10:16PM (#17929422) Homepage Journal
    I can't find anywhere that it says the service is to become a paid service. The article talks about everything but that. Now I suspect that some or all of it MAY become non-free, in fact the sign-up makes that pretty clear. It also says that people who sign up during the beta will continue to get the service for free.

    Only thing in this article about paying anything though is that Microsoft has a competing product for $39/mo and that Google employees get "paid massages", maybe whoever wrote the summary was thinking of paid messages or something.
  • by IGnatius T Foobar ( 4328 ) on Wednesday February 07, 2007 @11:15PM (#17929914) Homepage Journal
    Come on people, we've seen this game before. Disney/Pixar are conveniently "evaluating" Google Apps so that Microsoft will be pressured to lower their prices on MS Office.

    This is the same thing that happened with Linux in the late 1990's. Companies would leak and/or hint that they were doing a serious evaluation of Linux, and Microsoft would suddenly swoop in with deep discounts. In the end, though, Linux actually did take a chunk of that market away from Microsoft, which is why Microsoft now goes to such great lengths to publish a bunch of lies about TCO.

    I think the MS Office alternatives are now where Linux was in the late 1990's -- some serious evaluations, some early adopters, but the big migrations are probably still a few years away.
  • by corecaptain ( 135407 ) on Thursday February 08, 2007 @01:19AM (#17930874)
    Google Apps are not going to replace Office any time soon.

      1) A web based interface does not stack up to a native gui app.
      2) Google Apps are not full featured.
      3) Security. Shopping list on google servers - sure, why not.
            My personal financial information - not a chance.
            Corporate Data - You are kidding me, right?
      4) Availability - no internet connection. no Google Apps.
       

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