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Linux To Power Super Router 74

Posted by CowboyNeal
VE3OGG writes "While Cisco might not be shaking in its multi-billion dollar booties, a couple of network experts have decided to see if they can come up with a possible alternative to Cisco. Termed 'Open Linux Router,' and joining such other ambitious projects as the Extensible Open Router Platform (XORP), the Open Linux Router project aims to compete in the realms of Cisco routers and PBX. Some of the features include SSL web interface, serial console, wireless support, VLAN support, and packet filtering."
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Linux To Power Super Router

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  • by kongit (758125) on Friday February 09, 2007 @04:50AM (#17946030)
    A 14 year old kid put linux on a pentium 2 he bought for 20 dollars and is running it as an open-source router.
    • Re: (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward
      Check out Sixnet [sixnetio.com], which makes routers with all those features (minus wireless), and they run linux. (I work there)
  • Please fix summary (Score:5, Informative)

    by MichaelSmith (789609) on Friday February 09, 2007 @05:00AM (#17946094) Homepage Journal

    SOme fo the features
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by operato (782224)
      how is this offtopic? people should fix these things so they don't bug the hell out of the little guys like this one.
      • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

        by antoinjapan (450229)
        Maybe they are calling anyone who cares a SO fo, which is a little like MO fo , except son instead of mother. I dunno maybe it's a secret code masquerading as bad spelling/grammar. Maybe they all were over the years, who knows what sensitive information slashdot and supposedly random "commenters" have been secretly releasing to the enemy under the guise of bad spelling and grammar while simultaneously employing subterfuge by periodically posting stories about the declining education of the children in U.
        • by operato (782224)
          sorry it was just the sound of me whacking my head off the keyboard after reading that.
          • Yes it was your banging I heard, there was no one at the door, I swear..and my earlier comment about messages encoded as bad spelling and grammar was just a joke and should not be taken seriously. Hlep HLeP dey Is gone to kLil me.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by JLester (9518)
      I am still trying to parse "aims to compete with the realms Cisco routers and PBX". That phrase makes no sense to me.
  • by c0l0 (826165) on Friday February 09, 2007 @05:09AM (#17946122) Homepage
    ...obviously don't know what they're talking about all too well.

    Other Linux-based projects targeting firewall and network server include ClarkConnect, IPCop, m0n0wall, and Smoothwall.
    Unless m0n0wall hasn't switched kernels, they're still using FreeBSD as their basis.
  • by Ingolfke (515826) on Friday February 09, 2007 @05:26AM (#17946180) Journal
    I was expecting to read about a router that could compete with Cisco's hardware based on performance, not features. It looks like an interesting project for smaller shops or routing applications that aren't business critical... maybe more of a competitor to low end routers and all-in-one appliances, not enterprise routers. It doesn't look like it has any stateful failover capabilities.
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by grimwell (141031)

      It doesn't look like it has any stateful failover capabilities.

      OpenBSD has had stateful failover for a while now.
      Failover Firewalls with OpenBSD and CARP [samag.com]
      PF: Firewall Redundancy with CARP and pfsync [openbsd.org]

      I agree with you, that it is the hardware of the "big boys" that makes their toys useful. An actual switch that ran linux/bsd would be an interesting item.

      • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

        by Bert64 (520050)
        Well, running on a PC-based architecture will never be able to compete with high end routing devices, regardless of software.
        Perhaps a multi socket opteron system with network interfaces connected via hypertransport, but not much short of that. The way PCI buses are designed makes them very poor for routing large amounts of data around. There's no way that any current system could outperform a catalyst 6500 at the same price point.
    • by lathama (639499)
      One Link

      http://imagestream.com/ [imagestream.com]

      To pwn them all.....
    • by Sycraft-fu (314770)
      Make all the features you do have work well. That's one thing I have to give Cisco gear, whatever features they choose to include on a given system, they all work. Often times their smaller stuff is much less feature complete than OSS equivalents but it all works. I use m0n0wall at home because I want a little, embedded firewall and I'd like features I don't feel like paying for on a Cisco for a home network (though I'm going to have to take a real look at the new ASAs). However I've continually had to figh
      • Make all the features you do have work well. That's one thing I have to give Cisco gear, whatever features they choose to include on a given system, they all work.

        Very strongly disagree. Examples:
        - Kerberos. Cisco claims to support it. Techincally they kind of do if you don't mind 56 bit encryption over telnet and other issues...
        - ARP inspection and DHCP snooping took MANY versions to settle into something remotely approaching working, and there are still quite a few issues there (try uploading the binding database via SCP sometime...)
        - The 3750 RPS hardware solution sucks. (I'm hoping the 3750-Es are re-engineered) This on top of us getting a bad batch of 3750

      • by afidel (530433)
        To me what makes Cisco great is not the hardware, and certainly not the (fairly buggy) software, it's the TAC. Cisco's support organization is the best in the industry bar none. It's why having Cisco hardware without smartnet is a complete non-starter for me, it's fairly overpriced hardware without the support organization behind it.
  • It's tested, mature .. forked and works well with a number or protocols.

      http://www.quagga.net/ [quagga.net]
    • Re: (Score:2, Informative)

      by DaMattster (977781)
      I do like Quagga very much. But, its performance still doesn't quite match the Enterprise Cisco router. That said, Quagga works very well for small to medium sized businesses and Quagga may even outperform the lower end Cisco routers. The enterprise Cisco router has a slight advantage in that its hardware and architecture are designed for purely routing. I was bummed to find out that there was a performance gap. A Canadian University, University of Toronto, has a routing cluster based on Quagga. The a
  • Piece of bullsh** (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward
    The website of this wonderul "Super Router" is http://www.openlinuxrouter.com/ [openlinuxrouter.com]

    It's a bullshit news - there is NOTHING DONE YET. The project is IN PLANS and I don't know how it could be better than e.g. m0n0wall [1] or Lintrack [2]

    [1] http://m0n0.ch/wall/ [m0n0.ch]
    [2] http://www.lintrack.org/ [lintrack.org]
    • Re: (Score:1, Troll)

      by El Torico (732160) *
      Did you notice the line below "Download Now"? It states, "Currently no stable releases". It's a bit premature to put this on your network, but this project does have merit and it lists a useful set of features.

      As for the intro - Cisco already has alternatives; Juniper is what the big boys (Tier 1 ISPs) use; Foundry and Extreme are solid alternatives too. I do like the "by your own bootstraps" mindset of this and other open source projects, so hopefully this will compete in the SOHO market.
  • Other routers (Score:5, Informative)

    by Toreo asesino (951231) on Friday February 09, 2007 @06:18AM (#17946368) Journal
    For what it's worth, Linux already powers all the NetGear DG routers at least(Wireless, LAN) etc, and I have to say they work very well.
    • Re: (Score:1, Informative)

      by Anonymous Coward

      What you are describing is a toy router that will route a few megabits at best. Cisco's Catalyst 12000 can route several gigabit links. Nice try.

      Glass

      • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

        by notanatheist (581086)
        A far more informative AC post than the parent. Linux already runs on a huge variety of 'consumer' hardware. My Linksys WRT54G(v4) runs DD-WRT and I routinely sell the WRT54GL flashed to DD-WRT for clients. Sure it is extensible and open but I'm not expecting to route the data from a render farm or be the backbone of a bank.
  • SuperRouter (Score:5, Funny)

    by DeeVeeAnt (1002953) on Friday February 09, 2007 @06:50AM (#17946496)
    Is it a hub? Is it a switch? No! It's ...
  • When I read the summary I thought they'd be competing with Cisco's service provider grade box http://www.cisco.com/en/US/products/ps5763/index. h tml [cisco.com]

    Guess they'll need to come up with some pretty fast interfaces b/c I dunno if Frys/CompUSA carries OC-192/768 interfaces for the PC.

    Sounds like another LEAF project http://leaf.sourceforge.net/ [sourceforge.net]
    • by icoer (960357)
      Actually there are a few companies out there doing this. http://www.simplir.com/ [simplir.com] has a full Blade appliance center that runs on an embedded linux kernal. Linux is out there and in some major applications, just not always advertised as such. The nice thing about that Simplir products, is that they allow you access to a command prompt via SSH. You can make any custom modifications as needed.
  • Free / open / alternative systems and routers may come out. Companies, especially larger ones, will still gladly purchase "authentic Cisco" products. When they buy Cisco, it may cost a lot, it may even be a rip off - but its still an established product from and established company. There is plenty of documentation and support for the product.
  • by blargh-dot-com (181292) on Friday February 09, 2007 @01:22PM (#17951348)
    We've had a huge number of problems with Cisco's stuff, and unfortuantely are basically locked into Cisco for everything.

    Cisco IOS is badly fragmented across Cisco's different product lines. Entire command sets are different for no easily acceptable reason (i.e. commands that do the same thing are named different, or have their parameters in a different order, or a different format). Their SNMP support is absolutely pathetic (no Q-BRIDGE-MIB on anything, they use idiotic community indexing, SNMPv3 has more bugs than I care to think about (contexts (which they use for community indexing in SNMPv3) barely work, and you can't wildcard them).

    Their software-only platforms are almost as bad. ACS is notorious for having absolutely no useful diagnostics. (Someone can't authenticate against your LDAP server? Good luck figuring out why...) CallManager isn't quite so bad, except its backup software locks up every week or so and keeps future backups from running until we get in and kill the task. All their Java interfaces require /different/, /conflicting/ versions of Java - one may require 1.4 and nothing else will work, another will require 1.5... and nothing else will work. (Fortuantely they're getting away from Java for their web-based front ends and just going with straight web pages).

    Their hardware is OBSCENELY expensive. Our pricing is under NDA, but its still stupid, stupid expensive.

    Their technical support is horrid - we groan every time we have to open a TAC case cause we know we're going to waste at least two hours with some idiot before we finally get bumped to someone who actually knows what all the funny little acryonyms in our cases stand for. We have been flat out lied to by TAC on numerous cases, as well.

    But, they're Cisco, and the Powers That Be know the word "Cisco", and have seen it around a while, so we go with it.
    • by crotherm (160925)
      We tend to have very very few problems with CISCO. The stuff just works. And as for different command sets, load a new IOS, or even if you can't, the syntax is not that hard.

      I will agree that the one major problem we had with setting QoS it took way too long before a new engineer came along and new the answer right away. It was something that all of their engineers should have known.
      • Their QoS stuff is different across every platform they have it seems. Some lines have the very nifty auto qos feature (3750s, for example). Others you need to sit there and calculate out queueing strategies and so on yourself, and its different for every blade. Now, I can understand wanting the ability for that level of detail, but I guess I just like the auto qos better. (We primarily use QoS for the VoIP phones, which is what auto qos was designed for...)

  • Repeat after me, it is the hardware that makes CISCO untouchable by software on a PC. The ASICs, the switch fabric on the interfaces, etc etc.

    It seems every few months another group gets together and say the same thing... "Surely us uber linux doods can make a better product than CISCO."

    Not to say it can't happen, it just will take a bit more capitalization than these guys have.

    And since this talk of "SUPER ROUTER", why not compare to Cisco's IOX?
  • Yeah, but does it run --
    Oh.
    Well then, I guess we're all set here. Someone else wanna take over, maybe throw in an "all your base" or "Beowulf cluster" reference?
  • by Graabein (96715) on Friday February 09, 2007 @11:17PM (#17959306) Homepage Journal
    Wouldn't OpenBSD be better suited than Linux? Not looking to start a flamewar here, but what with PF and OpenBGPD et al...

    Just a thought.

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