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Google Snaps Up Stats Tool from Swedish Charity 106

paulraps writes "A stats program that began as a teaching aid for a university lecture has just been bought by Google for an undisclosed sum. The statistics tool, Trendalyzer, was developed by a professor and his son at Stockholm's Karolinska Institute. Unfortunately for the developers, the project has been run under the auspices of a charity, Gapminder, and financed over the last seven years by public money. Maybe that seemed smart at the time, but the professor, admitting that he won't see a dime of Google's cash, now seems regretful. As for what Google has purchased: 'Public organizations around the world invest 20 billion dollars a year producing different kinds of statistics. Until now, nobody has thought of collecting all the information in the same place. That should be possible with Trendalyzer, which will be able to present that quantity of data in a clear way as well as giving the user the ability to compare many different kinds of information.'"
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Google Snaps Up Stats Tool from Swedish Charity

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  • Re:What does it do? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by ghoti ( 60903 ) on Sunday March 18, 2007 @04:25PM (#18396131) Homepage
    This has nothing at all to do with the CIA World Factbook. This is not just about collecting data (which it does, of course, and more data over longer time than the Factbook), but about understanding the world through that data. A collection of data is worthless if it isn't used to figure out how to help people in Africa, for example. Rosling shows very clearly that Africa isn't just starving children, and that development aid therefore must be adapted to the exact population it is for. He also has a lot of interesting things to say about the developments in Asia, how health care and economy are connected, etc.

    Don't dismiss this without knowing anything about it.
  • by Baldrson ( 78598 ) * on Sunday March 18, 2007 @04:50PM (#18396301) Homepage Journal
    I wrote a primitive version of such a site several years ago which I called Laboratory of the States [laboratory...states.com] since the goal was to gather lots of demographic variables by State and present ecological correlations.

    Shortly thereafter, a site called Nation Master [nationmaster.org] cropped up, with a bit flashier and simpler user interface, but focused on CIA World Fact Book data, rather than the States of the US. (The same folks later did State Master [statemaster.org] using similar UI technology.)

    Finally, Google tested Gapminder [google.com] with an even spiffier and simpler UI -- again focusing on by Nation correlations.

    Aside from the usual complaints about "The Ecological Fallacy" [wikipedia.org] (a fallacy that cuts both ways BTW) there are two big pitfalls for this stuff:

    1. Dealing with missing data.
    2. Estimating statistical significance.

    What I did about missing data was simply eliminate any data points where data was missing from one or both of the variables being correlated. This reduces the sample size, hence statistical significance, but it bypasses arguments over what sort of missing data should be used. The Netflix Prize [netflixprize.com] is coming up with really good algorithms to compute missing data efficiently and accurately so maybe there is hope for something more effective here.

    Statistical significance is more difficult to deal with. Usually one must look at tables for statistical significance of correlations under the assumption that the variables each follow a normal distribution. Unfortunately, many variables follow polynomial (like squared) or exponential distributions, so you have to do things like take the sqrt or log of one or both of the variables to try to normalize them. However, when you are looking for correlations, sometimes it its the relationship that is polynomial or exponential -- in which case you can apply sqrt or log to get the maximum correlation coefficient at the sacrifice of normality of one or both of the variables. Unfortunately, there is no simple arithmetic formula for calculating the significance level of a correlation given a non-normal distribution -- you can't just plug in the skewness, kurtosis, etc. as well as sample size and correlation coefficient, and get out a valid statistical significance. Therefore it is hard to make good statements about many very important correlations without watering them down to meaninglessness.

    Also, a complaint about the "simple" user interfaces:

    Some of the worst reporting from news media comes when they refuse to report statistics in terms remotely related to anything meaningful -- for example you will frequently hear statements to the effect that "California has the most orange trees in the nation." or some such. Such statistics are nonsense for the purposes of correlation studies since the size of the ecology (California state) is all you are really measuring with such statements. You have to divide by the population or divide by the total GDP or something to rationalize the ecology against other ecologies.

    In Laboratory of the States, I did this with all my variables but I also left the raw variables around and allowed people to do arithmetic on them -- like dividing them -- to get their own rational comparisons if for some reason my choices were not adequate. This problem isn't as bad with Gapminder as it is with Nation Master and State Master -- but Gapm

  • by QuickFox ( 311231 ) on Sunday March 18, 2007 @04:52PM (#18396325)
    I don't know what counts as evil in your book, but I hate the way they encourage and perpetuate domain squatting [google.com].
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 18, 2007 @04:55PM (#18396339)
    Your tax return was produced and processed by public money. Why can I not see it?

    Because it would be a violation of privacy.

  • Any Regrets? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 18, 2007 @05:04PM (#18396381)
    Guess he just got beheaded by the other edge of giving your software away, huh?

    At least he can be content to know that Google will be the bestest, most very perfect company ever, since they come right out and say, at every opportunity, that their policy is "don't be evil".

    And since they say they won't be evil, we know they can't be lying! (Please ignore how they help totalitarian right-wing regimes to identify people who speak out against them, and empower governments to clamp down on free speech)
  • by ciggieposeur ( 715798 ) on Sunday March 18, 2007 @05:28PM (#18396533)
    could you give us any insight into why you think it would be in the public domain?

    The law regarding software and publicly-funded inventions has not always been as it is now. It used to be the case that most significant publicly-funded software HAD to be in the public domain, which AFAIK is why we have the BSD license today. Also witness early versions of Gaussian (quantum chemistry).

    These days lots of 100% publicly-funded software is not automatically released to the public domain but instead held ransom by the author or university with a separate license permitting unlimited government use. This directly affects me: essentially ALL of the current quantum chemistry code that produces publishable results is no longer free for everyone to use. Though most programs come with source (the have to for some of the systems we need to run it on), their license restrictions are very onerous for developers: only the PI can register to download it, or it costs 5000 euros per seat, or it cannot be ported to other platforms, etc. One program even revokes licenses from academics who use competing software in the same domain! And this almost ALL software written by tenured professors and their graduate students funded from government grants.

    I think we all did much better with the old formula. University-developed code should be available for everyone to use, even if that means someone can later come along and compete with a closed-source version.

    I'm curious if the Swedish system more closely resembles the current USA system or the old USA system.
  • by belg4mit ( 152620 ) on Sunday March 18, 2007 @05:29PM (#18396539) Homepage
    Actually, this is the antithesis of chartjunk.

    It's also not as new as people are making it out to be, besides being a variant of a scatter plot,
    they've been around for awhile. To murder a quote from Hamlet:

    There are more things in infographic design, OldBaldGuy, Than are dreamt of by Microsoft Excel.
  • by chriss ( 26574 ) * <chriss@memomo.net> on Sunday March 18, 2007 @05:33PM (#18396571) Homepage
    Rosling gave a 20min presentation of Trendalyzer at the TED 2006 conference [ted.com], using it to debunk some of the prejudices we have about the world. Turns out chimpanzees beat swedish professors when making claims about the world. Worth watching, as are many of the presentations at TEDtalks [ted.com].
  • by neerolyte ( 878983 ) on Sunday March 18, 2007 @06:55PM (#18397049) Homepage
    Apparently Zonk didn't look into the article much.
    Check out This video [google.com] as can be found on one of Zonk's links. [gapminder.org]
    The idea is NOT to collect all the data of the world centrally, it is to link to the pre-existing data and display it in a useful way. The software looks incredibly innovative, I doubt there is anything similar for two reasons (1) Google wouldn't' have bought it (2) TV stations here in Australia would be showing trends with the software just as they now show various parts of the earth with Google Earth.
  • Re:Wrong license? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by mieses ( 309946 ) on Sunday March 18, 2007 @09:45PM (#18397917)
    They thank the community, but provide no source code:
    http://osflash.org/pipermail/osflash_osflash.org/2 006-September/011238.html [osflash.org]

    Gapminder appears to be made from mostly open source code:

    "mtasc, hamtasc, swfmill, eclipse, swftools, Flash Javascript Integration kit (right now using SWFObject) are some of the tools we've used."
    The design solutions are unique but the code that was developed seems trivial. Why not open source it? Perhaps the university calculated that selling to google for a small(?) sum was worth more in publicity than open sourcing the project. too bad.
  • Gapminder TechTalk (Score:3, Interesting)

    by JoshRoss ( 88988 ) <josssssssssssssh@gmail.com> on Sunday March 18, 2007 @09:54PM (#18397965) Journal
    A while ago, these guys came to google to give a techtalk. Here it is: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7996617766 640098677 [google.com]

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