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New Law Lets Data Centers Hide Power Usage 208

1sockchuck writes "Just days after Google announced that it may build a huge data center in the state, Oklahoma's governor has signed a bill into law that will effectively exempt the largest customers of municipal power companies from public disclosure of how much power they are using. Officials of the state's power industry say the measure is not a 'Google Law' but was sought 'on behalf of large-volume electric users that might be considering a move to Oklahoma.' Others acknowledge that data center operators were among those seeking the law, apparently arguing that the details of their enormous power usage are a trade secret. Google recently acquired 800 acres in Pryor, Oklahoma for possible development as a data center, and is reportedly seeking up to 15 megawatts of power for the facility."
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New Law Lets Data Centers Hide Power Usage

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  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13, 2007 @05:30PM (#18724863)
    Anon here! I live in Oklahoma, and we will do anything we can to get businesses to migrate here. I don't really see this as an issue with Oklahoma itself, but the fact that we have a crumbling economy with more jails than schools. Can you really blame us?

    Of course, no one ever talks about the good things coming out of Oklahoma law making bodies...

    http://www.normantranscript.com/localnews/local_st ory_098012317/ [normantranscript.com]
  • Re:And? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by SydShamino ( 547793 ) on Friday April 13, 2007 @05:36PM (#18724969)
    My guess is:

    Later, the power company comes back and says "Hey, public, we're running out of power, and we need to build three more coal-fired power plants near your town, and by the way, we want to avoid regulations that require us to clean our exhaust because that would hurt our bottom line."

    The public says "No way, I don't want your pollution clogging my air, worsening my asthma, and causing my city to become subject to EPA regulations. I resent you trying to avoid cleaning up your own mess. By the way, who's driving this demand for power? Is it big business or folks like me, because I know I try to conserve my power use by turning off lights and even switching to CFLs? I don't want to pay (in terms of taxes or pollution) for power generated to serve some big out-of-state business, especially one that doesn't generate many local jobs."

    Then, the power company says "-snicker- We can't tell you who is using the power. Just give us the plants or we'll do rolling blackouts on your homes and schools."
  • Not all hidden (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Trailwalker ( 648636 ) on Friday April 13, 2007 @05:47PM (#18725143)

    Oklahoma's governor has signed a bill into law that will effectively exempt the largest customers of municipal power companies from public disclosure of how much power they are using.

    This bill hides only their electric power usage.

    Their power to manipulate the legislature is out in the open.
  • by xlv ( 125699 ) on Friday April 13, 2007 @05:52PM (#18725221)

    With the greener thinking of the world, Oklahoma's power may be from nuclear/coal plants, making Google a not so green business.

    Please do not group coal and nuclear together. Nuclear is currently the "greenest" electricity production option for a large scale output whereas coal releases heaps of nasty stuff in the air, specially as electric co. are slow to use filters to clean the exhaust of their coal burning plants.

  • Re:And? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by profplump ( 309017 ) <zach-slashjunk@kotlarek.com> on Friday April 13, 2007 @06:00PM (#18725347)

    The public says "No way, I don't want your pollution clogging my air, worsening my asthma, and causing my city to become subject to EPA regulations. I resent you trying to avoid cleaning up your own mess. By the way, who's driving this demand for power? Is it big business or folks like me, because I know I try to conserve my power use by turning off lights and even switching to CFLs? I don't want to pay (in terms of taxes or pollution) for power generated to serve some big out-of-state business, especially one that doesn't generate many local jobs."
    Right. Because big business is evil and always wastes power and individuals are always good and save power. And businesses don't hire anyone locally, not even to run their new power plants. And local people wouldn't want new "out-of-state" businesses in their town even if they did. And air pollution in some other state is better than air pollution here.

    Thanks for clearing that up for me. Without all those perfectly valid lines of thought I might have suspected your were just trolling.
  • Re:Trade Secret? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportland&yahoo,com> on Friday April 13, 2007 @06:07PM (#18725439) Homepage Journal
    In order for that information to be of use, you have to know a lot of internal information anyways.

    Trade secret is not a logical reason, the only logical reason for this is so they can play power shell games. No other reasons at all. And since they exists soley because the government says so, we are entitled to all that information.

    The governer just did a big diservice to the people who voted for him.

  • Naive?! (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13, 2007 @06:08PM (#18725449)
    An average datacenter consumes ~15 Megawatts of power... are we really that naive to think that google only uses 15 Megawatts of power?! It's 800 acres! That's bound to be >200 Megawatts just for this piece of property. I don't even want to guess as to the total power consumption of google boxes all over the world :(
  • Re:And? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by hondo77 ( 324058 ) on Friday April 13, 2007 @06:28PM (#18725711) Homepage

    Without all those perfectly valid lines of thought I might have suspected your were just trolling.

    Pot, meet kettle...

  • Re:And? (Score:2, Insightful)

    by vonhammer ( 992352 ) on Friday April 13, 2007 @06:29PM (#18725723)
    Now, now - play nice. His point (I'm sure) was that this information is being deliberatly hidden from view. Some businesses absolutely contribute to the local economy and some don't. Without knowing the truth about how much power they consume, you and I cannot make a value judgment on whether or not it is worth letting them build the infrastructure they want to support the business.

    I for one would want to know the bottom line.
  • by NickDngr ( 561211 ) * on Friday April 13, 2007 @06:48PM (#18725965) Journal

    I would argue that such issues are a good reason to switch to more heavily privatized models. Ideally, the government would maintain the infrastructure, and anybody who wanted could add power to the grid. That'd be sweet.
    Yeah, because that worked so well in California.
  • Re:Evil (Score:3, Insightful)

    by geekoid ( 135745 ) <dadinportland&yahoo,com> on Friday April 13, 2007 @07:25PM (#18726451) Homepage Journal
    Google could jut as easily asked him not to sign the bill.

    But, and this is lost on /., "Do no Evil" does not automatically mean "Do Good".
  • by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 13, 2007 @07:41PM (#18726647)
    Nuclear anything bad except for some deep space probes; however, the best source of power we have right now is nuclear power. Alternative power can cut our need down and decentralize the power grid, making it more robust-- but it can't replace nuclear power.

    How about more research funding on fusion, antimatter, solar, and geothermal?
  • by spottedkangaroo ( 451692 ) * on Friday April 13, 2007 @07:58PM (#18726811) Homepage
    Hey, privatizing worked really well in california iirc. So it could work anywhere.
  • by bob frost ( 850405 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @10:07AM (#18731093) Homepage
    I wish I could agree entirely with the previous post. I worked in and on the fringes of the power industry for a while, and I pride myself as an educated observer on these issues. Indeed, utilities have traditionally been publicly regulated as natural monopolies (the thinking here being that the cost of power industry infrastructure is high enough that it makes little sense to build duplicate systems--a logic which, when not applied to the US mobile phone industry gave us 4-5 lousy, incompatible, and overpriced systems). I worked for New York State as an energy analyst, next to a MacKenzie consultant at the time when MacKenzie led the charge for power deregulation, a move which has been pretty much a total disaster, not least of all because the public now has less transparency with the power industry, so we really cannot know what the deals are. (Ask Californians who paid billions in extortionate, manipulated tarriffs a few years back). Deregulation was intended to let the mysteries of the "free" market replace the in-the-open system of regulation. I would assume that Oklahoma, a state traditionally operated in large part by the energy industries, is not particularly transparent in these deals anyway.

    But there's more... When I studied the French power company (EDF) in great depth a number of years ago, it became clear that implicit or hidden cross-subsidies (charging one group of consumers more than the cost of service in order to allow another group to pay less) were essentially a veiled sort of industrial policy. For example, the French state wanted to make French electro-metallurgical (read: aluminum) and electro-chemical industries globally advantaged, so they got cheap power as a result. Ironically, that apparently wasn't enough for the aluminum producers, as in the 1980s and 1990s they moved much of their processing to Canada, where Hydro-Quebec and Ontario Hydro were offered much lower rates, in part b/c (in Quebec, at least), they could flood huge expanses of Indian land with minimal compensation.

    As a resident of Michigan, where the auto industry is in free-fall thanks to perhaps the world's most bone-headed corporate leadership, I've had the wonderful privilege of paying some of the highest residential power tarriffs in the US. Why? Because residential users are subsidizing the Big Three through the rate structure. (I should also mention that we have some of the worst roads in the US because our weight limits are twice those of our neighboring states, thereby encouraging the suppliers, etc, to stay within our boundaries; we therefore subsidize the auto industry through our gasoline and road-use taxes).

    In the end, these subsidies might make sense--I don't think so personally, as it encourages a race among states to offer corporate welfare--but in a democracy we as citizens should have the right to know. EDF, the French power company, attacked me nastily when I made this argument; I've not pushed hard in Michigan, as politically, we are expected to be slobbering whores for GM, etc., political affiliations notwithstanding (yeah, my House Rep is John "Camaro" Dingell, a dim Dem).

    Bottom line, governments can and probably should have it within their authority to advantage one group over another, but that should be fully out in the open. When Oklahoma explicitly creates a system for obscuring the process, citizens lose. The problem is less, really, than one of corruption and sweetheart deals (tho OK has a long and ugly history of crooked relations b/w politicians and Big Oil), but the more "virtuous" practice of industrial policy conducted in the shadows.

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