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Jumping to Conclusions on BIOS, Phoenix, and Windows 107

tomlasusa writes "In a post on LinuxQuestions.org, user 'chessonly' cites a 2003 article from Networkcomputing.com by writer Steven J. Schuchart as evidence of that Phoenix Technologies has made its BIOS more Windows-friendly — thereby locking out users from using other OSs. In a rebuttal posted at nwc.com, Schuchart says that this is just not true."
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Jumping to Conclusions on BIOS, Phoenix, and Windows

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  • Spazamataz? (Score:4, Insightful)

    by stratjakt ( 596332 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @10:15AM (#18731149) Journal
    Every time specs, or the workings of any piece of PC hardware changes, a certain part of the OSS community cries foul, or says its "Windows-friendly" because MSFT is (quite predictably) out of the gate with support.

    Hardware development isn't going to stop just because 4 out of 5 kernel devs agree to release a driver as stable.

    I think the programmer side of the community is flexible enough to deal with hardware changes, and it's just that annoying end-user whining because he wants hardware X to work today, and the fact that he doesnt have it proves some world conspiracy against him.

  • Re:Hmm.. (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 14, 2007 @10:17AM (#18731165)
    Actually you seem to make a good point. The entire point behind this story appears to be "Digg user posts false story!!1!11" with the apparent motive of painting Slashdot as being different from Digg and taking the time to actually fact-check stories and not falling to pure anti-MS sensationalism.

    Which, of course, is utter bullshit. Slashdot does that all the time.

    This story was posted only to take a shot at Digg. It's otherwise completely non-newsworthy, something I can't say about Digg's current stories.
  • Bah! (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Cythrawl ( 941686 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @11:23AM (#18731721)
    What this BIOS porbably does (apart form the mentioned updates on the webpage) is add the SLIC data for Toshiba into the BIOS. All OEM venders need to have the SLIC data in the ACPI section of the BIOS so they can use thier OEM Digital Certificates that they supply on the Install for Vista DVD's. The Digital Certificate allows Vista to be instantly activated on a PC with the SLIC data, VLK, and Digital Cert.

    They are just covering thier own backs that on the slight chance that the data changes in the ACPI could cause some crap on other OS'es. The user probably set a password, or corrputed his BIOS during the flash phase, and is pointing fingers at anyone else so he no longer looks like a dumbass.

    I get this all the time with people who bring thier CellPhones in for repair becuase they locked thier phones and forgot thier password. They state clearly that they never changed it, and when I load the phone into my PST's and retreive the code the look of realization comes over them and say, "oh yeah, I remember it now"
  • by gsn ( 989808 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @11:28AM (#18731759)

    But what of the purported fact that the guy cannot get another OS on there? An effective rebuttal would include a good explanation why this problem occured; even better if it discussed a work-around or a fix.


    What'd be effective is to verify the purported fact first - the guy hasn't taken it in for servicing. The Phoenix guys do not have any information on the problem from the blog post and you want them to duplicate it, and figure out what is going wrong. Come on. If its a BIOS password a work-around or a fix is rather well known - its called flashing the bloody BIOS.

    You go on to ask what Phoenix's response is - apparently you did RTFA so let me summarize "They didn't do it. They won't do it. This article is to spread anti-MS FUD. They do not know where the problem is and they won't find out from a bloody blogpost. And ofcourse the last line - I suspect that chessonly's problem is somewhere between the chair and the keyboard."

    Does anyone here have such a laptop? Would you care to install Linux on it as a test? Has anyone here tried? Did it work?

    You could check [tuxmobil.org] couldn't [comcast.net] you. There I am linking to sites that apparently have the linux on his laptop. PROOF: that chessonly is a moron. [/sarcasm]
  • Re:Toshiba :( (Score:1, Insightful)

    by FlyingGuy ( 989135 ) <flyingguy.gmail@com> on Saturday April 14, 2007 @11:39AM (#18731853)

    Hmmm, well there could just be a reason for that.

    I am no BIOS expert or anything like that, but it seems to me from a logical POV that Windows, *nix, or any other OS would have to rely on the state of the machine when comming back from hibernation. If the BIOS allowed you to boot into another OS while a different OS was in a hibernated state, when you attempt to bring the hibernated OS back in, then the machine state would be quite different then when it went into hibernation. It would seem to me that this could cause any number of problems and a significant amount of chaos.

    It also seems that the machine does not completely power down on hibernation. Try an experiment. Hibernate windows then disconect the power cord and pull the battery out and leave it out for say 5 minutes. Then pop the battery back in and see if Windows restores to its correct state. If it does, then perhaps there is something to be said for your asertion that this could be something evil. If it fails to come back to life properly then its all about preserving the machine state.

  • Re:Toshiba :( (Score:3, Insightful)

    by 644bd346996 ( 1012333 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @11:40AM (#18731867)
    In my experience, toshiba laptops have had several features that are windows-only, but they still do a great job of supporting Linux. What other manufacturer still has detailed specs online for 11 year old laptops?
  • Re:Toshiba :( (Score:4, Insightful)

    by sabernet ( 751826 ) on Saturday April 14, 2007 @12:02PM (#18732049) Homepage
    To be fair: Dell

    I've fixed 300Mhz old Dell laptops using freely available service manuals with detailed assembly and disassembly instructions from their support.dell.com site.

    But it's good Toshiba does it too.

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