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The Enterprise (Score:5, Funny)
Wrong (Score:3, Insightful)
How did the RAZR succeed? By being a high priced toy to the wealthy at first. How did Blackberry succeed? By being a high priced email toy for business elites. The iPhone really combines both - a sleek design with email, web, and calendar built in. The downside is that it isn't compatible with Outlook.
But, for the low low price of $500, only the elitist of the elite will be able to afford it
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But I tend to agree, let the early adopters pay a premium, pay back the development costs, help Apple work out the bugs and design issues, and then lower the price for the masses.
Worked for Microsoft, except for the "bugs and design issues" part.
Re:Wrong (Score:4, Insightful)
What a coup that they've managed to turn around and actually supplant the PalmOS on some Treos, though I suppose this says as much about Palm's ineptitude as it does MS's success.
And working in Apple's favor is a whole legion of early adopters that will buy anything with the little apple on it - similar to the people who bought those early CE machines.
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Sidekick vs Blackberry (Score:4, Interesting)
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For some reason, there seems to be a number of slashdotters that think $500 is a lot of money.
It still is to me, but, there are a TON of people out there where $1K-$3K is pocket change!!
There are a lot of wealthy people out there who would gladly dole out $500 to get a new 'toy'. You don't even have to be a doctor or lawyer type either...plenty of people out there making money...so please, don't kid yourself, $
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No matter how cool "You had me at scrolling" is, you can't tell iPhone to do something with your voice. You can in fact do with with a Windows Mobile 5.0 device.
Seamless integration with Exchange is THE killer app for WM5.0
I am one of Microsoft's top resellers of WM5.0 technology, so I know what I am talking about here. It's the punchline of my presentation for BlackBerry and iPhone questions.
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How is my Moto Q better than an iPhone?
1. EVDO versus EDGE. No contest. EVDO (or WCDMA, or any 3G mobile broadband technology) means (two way) streaming video, and a high-speed, interactive Web 2.0 experience, unlike crap-ass EDGE. No one will be willing to use OWA, or any other "rich" website, over EDGE. EDGE is horrible. Trust me, I relied on it for over a year.
2. Huge library of installable software.
3. Excellent, no-training-required voice control.
4. Goo
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Works over bluetooth, yadda yadda. The only downside is it's a 3rd party app, so you have to buy it
Re:The Enterprise (Score:5, Insightful)
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I dont think businesses will care what it runs (Score:5, Insightful)
I dont think businesses will care what it runs
I think businesses will be concerned with how it integrates with the things they need/do. Will it be able to open Office files? Will it be able to synchronize with Outlook? Does it make phone calls? Will it be able to synchronize contacts and such?
None of those should be beyond the capabilities of the phone... it is all just a matter of what actually is implemented (or implementable with minor work) when the phone is released.
Does it make phone calls? (Score:5, Funny)
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For the original Blackberry, the answer to all of those questions was "No".
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Re:I dont think businesses will care what it runs (Score:5, Informative)
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Jobs said it would run some third party apps (Score:3, Interesting)
However much of the need for third-party applications will be removed via the obvious step of the users ability to include Dashboard-like widgets created with Das
Re:I dont think businesses will care what it runs (Score:5, Interesting)
Yeah, that last one was kinda sarcasm and kinda not... most businesses I have worked for want to know
-Can it receive and send text messages easily?
-Does it make phone calls (easily)? (Yep, it is a phone)
-Can it sync with our email system?
-Can it open the occasional document sent to it?
Some businesses want more collaborative features, but the fact is, they are rarely used in most corporate environments. To that end though, with a full featured web browser (as also discussed on /. before), the possibilities are endless there without too much work - and since many companies are web enabling their stuff, most will see no additional work to make their stuff work on an iPhone. The ones that will are those that use MS (or MS partner) Proprietary solutions like Siebel (which though it is quite powerful, outright sucks anyway).
All in all, I think the iPhone may be the next killer phone.
-Correct form factor (ie: smaller and more comfortable to carry than a Treo or most SmartPhones)
-High level of functionality from full web browser to extensibility via widgets and other apps
-Support from a company that is second to none (other than perhaps IBM that they generally rate roughly equal to)
-Stable, proven platform... no hard resets, soft resets
-Synchronizable with Macs and PCs
-Intuitive interface
-shiny!!! (no, not joking on this one... many tech decisions are based on the eye-candy factor even though they shouldnt be).
-Investment protection in having a phone built on a hardware and software platform that will allow tomorrows (and even the next day's) latest apps and widgets to run on it.
Just my 12 cents.
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Re:Business will laugh at the iPhone; they already (Score:3, Informative)
From Apple's site:
iPhone features a rich HTML email client and Safari -- the most advanced web browser ever on a portable device -- which automatically syncs bookmarks from your PC or Mac. Safari also includes built-in Google and Yahoo! search. iPhone is fully multi-tasking, so you can read a web page while downloading your email in the background over Wi-Fi or EDGE.
(1)First Gen phone?
(2)little room for third party apps? Please provide a link with the specs that indicate that... Being an OSX platform, w
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The low bandwidth is a very small part of the problem with GPRS/EDGE. The bigger problem is latency; with the connection loaded (i.e. approaching 10 KBps) you tend to see 2000+ ms roundtrip ping times. While driving (as a passenger), I would see 15000+ ms round trip pings.
Can you imagine how painful it is to do anything online with a 15 second ping time?
Even with the connection virtually idle, and with ideal single strength, you'll see ping
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""will it be fast enough.""
Picture something for me.
Picture the clouds opening up, and a booming voice from heaven:
"NO"
EDGE PDAs are disastrously bad. Anyone paying $500 for an EDGE pda with intent to use its internet functionality should get their head examined.
Dialing While Driving (Score:5, Funny)
That would be a "feature" not a "bug".
Please punch the first suit you hear complaining about that.
Can't dial "while driving".... (Score:5, Insightful)
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A little early? (Score:3, Insightful)
That said, I'm skeptical that it will make a good email platform without a real keyboard
Re:A little early? (Score:4, Interesting)
Most business executives I've seen using a PDA phone aren't real concerned about its capabilities as an input device. They can *call* people back if they have something important to communicate back to them. They simply want to remain in touch with what's going on. Their phone needs to be reliable and basically free of crashes/freezes (Cough, Treo, Cough!). It needs to have a relatively easy-to-read display and easy-to-navigate interface, so it's comfortable to read incoming emails on. Ability to view attachments is critical too. Too much data arrives as a PDF file, a Word or Excel document, or a JPG or TIFF image for that not to work quickly and smoothly.
It seems to me like the iPhone could meet all of these requirements with little problem, really. The "status symbol" factor is icing on the cake.
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Sure they won't (Score:5, Insightful)
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What's that smell / noise ? (Score:2, Informative)
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So the ads are true (Score:5, Funny)
It does have a web browser... (Score:3, Insightful)
Here's an idea...Write a web app!
It's so ingenious, I'm going to patent it. :D
I imagine you'll be able to store files locally and if you can access them thru Safari on the phone, than just do that. If not, write some security and put it on an extranet.
BlackBerry / PocketPC / iPhone (Score:4, Informative)
This is the main downfall of the iPhone. I have no doubt it will be popular with home users as well as business users who use their devices solely for email/calling. It will be a status symbol. But unless they open their source and allow developers to really get into the nitty gritty, I don't see it becoming the "one device to rule them all".
Reading Gartner (Score:3, Insightful)
1. Take grain of salt.
2. Read Gartner analysis.
3. Consume Ripple as required.
Does not need to open Office Files (Score:5, Interesting)
Connect to a POP / IMAP Email system (it does).
Read PDF files. The image zoom functionality will work fine for reading PDFs.
Then on the backend, the iPhone uses will get a special email account where all Office attachments are automatically converted to a PDF file before being sent to the phone.
Fairly trivial thing to do.
Employees will like it (Score:5, Insightful)
Who wouldn't? Me! (Score:5, Insightful)
Look at the iPhone's battery life on apple.com.
Apply an adjustment for pre-release optimism.
Apply a reality adjustment - the only way to get listed standby times is to run your tests next to a tower.
You're gonna want two extra chargers, for the car and the office, because that's pitiful battery life even BEFORE you apply those adjustments.
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Wait, what? OSX as a disadvantage on embedded hw? (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not an enterprise product! (Score:5, Insightful)
It doesn't integrate with Exchange Server, it has a music and movie player, and it can operate as a hard drive. This isn't an "Enterprise" product, this is a consumer product. This should be marketed as a replacement for your phone and your iPod, not as something middle-management uses to interfere with the folks who do the real work.
Web Apps (Score:5, Insightful)
It's too bad that companies can't write apps that run on websites.
It's too bad that the iPhone won't be able to browse websites with a fully-functional web browser.
Oh. Wait.
Finally, all the steps are visible! (Score:3, Informative)
2. The iPhone can browse websites with a fully-functional web browser.
3. This is the absolutely most airtime-intensive way to write applications.
4. PROFIT!
(for AT&T anyway)
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Wow, you're right. Ever since all desktop applications were moved to the web I wondered when those mobile devices would catch up. Who would ever want to run a native application these days when they could use a web site? After all, everyone knows that accessin
iPhone critics: Apple is 2 steps ahead of you (Score:5, Insightful)
Most companies in the tech industry can't handle more than one or two failures; they tend to go bankrupt. Those companies that survive product failures tend to try and forget about them instead of learn from them. For example, Microsoft could have learned a lot from Micrsoft Bob, if they so desired. Instead, they buried old Bob in the back and abandoned all attempts to do any radical user interface changes for Windows.
Apple, on the other hand, has a large number of failures to draw from, all of which are extensively documented. Apple also has a large number of successes, most of which probably haven't been documented enough. Why has the iPod really succeeded? Why and how has Mac OS X (and the Mac) been an unstoppable locomotive of progress?
The Enterprise market is smaller than you think, and requires substantial investments with questionable returns. Allowing developers onto your platform incurrs substantial support and infrastructure costs. Enterprise demands also tend to warp your perspective, as large accounts exert greater leverage on the development process than thousands of individuals. They also don't pay retail, and tend to demand substantial up-front and back-end discounts.
Apple has bypassed this in a simple manner, with a simple question: why have your enterprise apps on the phone when you have a live browser connection? If you can get to salesforce.com, google apps, and your custom web-enabled apps, who cares whether you can install a binary or not? In fact, not having to install anything is much better - no management issues. It's the freaking web, already. Everything that's important has been webified. Anything that isn't yet will be in 5 years. Everything that isn't nobody cares about.
The only "enterprise" feature of the iPhone would be the ability to hard-wire it to your corporate network instead of using the public network. That's it. If the iPhone can do that, then the internal IT guys can do the rest.
Enterprise users can't write apps? Says who? (Score:3, Insightful)
Suits will love it (Score:3, Insightful)
ActiveSync is the missing ingredient (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Apple Bigots : get real (Score:4, Interesting)
One of the many reasons that Newton failed is the fact that it started out as a way to reinvent how we interact with computers, and then Apple decided to panic when they realised that the project could interfere with Mac sales, so they turned it into a Mac peripheral.
For iPhone, OTOH, Jobs took "Computer" out of the name of the company, so I don't think they are too worried about giving iPhone the room it needs to succeed...
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Re:Apple Bigots : get real (Score:5, Interesting)
From the summary: Analysts are baffled by the move.
From a 2001 article on the just-introduced iPod: [smartmoney.com]
A friend in the EDA industry who has been marketing these tools for twenty years notes that analysts are consistently wrong about the marketability of new products in established markets - he says: "those who can't sell, analyze."
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