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40M Vista Licenses in 100 Days 579

Gary writes "In the first 100 days since its launch in Jan 30 Windows Vista has sold an astounding 40 million licenses. Bill Gates gives the credit to accelerating consumer shift to digital lifestyles which has made it the fastest selling operating system in history. Surprisingly the more expensive premium editions accounted for 78 percent of Vista sales. With around 400,000 licenses a day new Vista users will take 8 weeks to beat Mac users, 4 days to exceed Mac sales and 3 days to exceed Linux desktop users."
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40M Vista Licenses in 100 Days

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  • by danbert8 ( 1024253 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:20AM (#19145797)
    I'm betting they included "free upgrade to vista" offers for copies of XP sold for the year prior to vista. But how many of these people have actually claimed their free upgrade copy?
  • Still doesn't say (Score:5, Insightful)

    by zappepcs ( 820751 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:20AM (#19145805) Journal
    who these licenses are being sold to. If half of them were sold to only two OEMs, its not saying much really. If even half of them were bought off the shelf at Best Buy or other stores, that would say something. So, exactly who is buying these licenses?
  • Waiting for it... (Score:3, Insightful)

    by M-Saunders ( 706738 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:21AM (#19145825)
    I hate Microsoft as much as the next man, but I'll be entertained to see how some Slashdotters twist this into being "bad for Microsoft" or something. Every other day I see some comment like "The end is here for Microsoft" or "It's all over for MS" or some such nonsense. Let's see:

    1) Record profits in the last year
    2) Fastest-selling OS in history

    It's only getting better for them, isn't it? We need another way to fight them...
  • by EvilGrin666 ( 457869 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:22AM (#19145835) Homepage
    I know a couple that have. However most of them have subsequently given up on Vista and reinstalled XP.
  • Re:I'm confused... (Score:1, Insightful)

    by ghostdancer ( 72944 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:22AM (#19145839)
    Perhaps, there is nothing to believe.
  • Fastest? (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Applekid ( 993327 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:25AM (#19145911)
    "Fastest-selling OS in history"

    That wouldn't have anything to do with having more computers in the world NOW versus, you know, any other point in history?

    In other news, the world's human population is the highest it's ever been in history.
  • Both. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by RingDev ( 879105 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:26AM (#19145931) Homepage Journal
    It's a mixture of both. This is a press release by marketing to try to bolster stock prices. So when they mean licenses sold, that doesn't mean the same thing as copies purchased. It with all likelihood refers to the number of licenses they have sold to Dell and other major PC vendors, all of the free upgrade licenses from XP, all of the copies they sold to retailers (which the retailer may or may not be having luck selling), etc...

    Vista isn't the failure that /. anti-MS pundits would have you believe, but it is a long way from the success that Microsoft's marketing department would have you believe.

    -Rick
  • Re:I'm confused... (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Shados ( 741919 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:26AM (#19145933)
    I should go and take some screenshots of articles and posts saying how Vista is a failure. The same darn thing happened with XP: "OMG! no drivers! Games don't work! its so slow! doesn't work on my 266 mhz celeron!", and now the Slashdot crowd spits out quite a bit that Microsoft is a failure -except- for XP, which is semi-acceptable.

    Now we see with Vista? Same damn thing. "OMG no drivers, omg games, omg its slow, omg omg omg failure, I'll never upgrade from the previous version!"

    Same. Damn. Thing. Hell, XP was worse: my 1 year old (at the time) lap-top had a hard time with XP, and I had paid a fortune for it. My 3 years old budget lap-top runs Vista just fine.

    The only thing that can rival Microsoft's FUD, is the fud coming from thousands of geeks banded together :)
  • Re:I'm confused... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by AKAImBatman ( 238306 ) * <akaimbatman@gmaYEATSil.com minus poet> on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:26AM (#19145941) Homepage Journal

    What am I supposed to believe: facts, or Slashdot FUD?

    The facts. And the facts are the Microsoft has been deferring the count of "Vista Upgrade Certificates" until the first quarter of 2007. So a large portion of the 40 million is from Vista licenses that Microsoft has been selling for the last year.

    It's also important to note that there are no figures on how many of those upgrade certificates have been cashed in for an actual copy of Vista. Which means that the number of installed Vista Desktops could be a mere fraction of the 40 million unit number that Microsoft is providing.

    "There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics." --Mark Twain
  • by simm1701 ( 835424 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:28AM (#19145979)
    How many of these were bulk licensing deals with companies that basically let them run whatever OS was the latest?
    How many of these businesses actually have moved their production systems onto vista?

    How many of these were OEMs?
    How many of those which were OEM have been reinstalled with XP (pirate or otherwise)

    How many were free upgrade with XP systems?
    How many of those used the upgrade and are still running vista now?
  • by supersnail ( 106701 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:29AM (#19145995)
    For all practical purposes you must buy a Wondows OS when you by a PC.
    (Geeks can manage it but try getting a cool VIAO or ACER which isnt preloaded with Vista!)

    The interesting statistics would be how may PCs sold with Vista have been back-graded to XP?

    Judging by the various blogs etc. this would seem to be the only way to get your shiny
    new box to run as fast as the old one.
    Google "Vista The long goodbye" Results 1 - 10 of about 907,000

    So thats 5% of Vista users hacked off about just one of the Vista bugs enough to blog or cry for help.

  • by Bullfish ( 858648 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:31AM (#19146029)
    The true tale of Vista will be in about 18 months (from release). I know for myself, I wouldn't touch Vista until the early adopters suffer the bugs inherent in any new MS release and MS fixes them, Ditto for all the missing drivers for hardware. After this time next year Vista will have ripened and be ready for prime time and we'll get an idea of what it can really do that makes a it worthwhile upgrade over XP. If it doesn't have any advantages by then, penetration will be largely limited to newly bought PC's and MS will have to do a rethink. If it does improve and become useful, then MS will continue on as it always has, and while some may not like that, remember that no one changes a successful behaviour. For them, it has been successful, like it or not.
  • by grub ( 11606 ) <slashdot@grub.net> on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:31AM (#19146045) Homepage Journal

    I know a couple that have. However most of them have subsequently given up on Vista and reinstalled XP.

    Most of a couple?
    Anyhow, I love Gates' insinuation of "if you aren't using Vista, you're trapped in some pre-digital lifestyle limbo."

  • Re:I'm confused... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Professr3 ( 670356 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:32AM (#19146055)
    I don't take issue with the system's speed or games. I have a problem with the protected content path, and other DRM technologies integrated even further into the operating system than any part of WMP11 was integrated into XP. If I'm going to buy or use an operating system, I expect it to be made with me (the consumer) in mind, not the interests big businesses have to limit my access and restrict my fair use rights. I recently switched to a Macbook Pro because of Vista, and I must say, I'm finding that it increases my productivity quite drastically.
  • Re:Hmm.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by Idbar ( 1034346 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:33AM (#19146089)
    Can't RTFA (since appear to be /.'d), but I just wonder, how many of these licenses were sold to Dell, Toshiba, HP, etc...
    And since there are no more XP, well...
  • by MindStalker ( 22827 ) <mindstalker@[ ]il.com ['gma' in gap]> on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:34AM (#19146109) Journal
    The catch is the fact that the more expensive premium editions are accounting for 78 percent of their sales. The people who don't want Vista aren't buying the premium editions.
  • by Richard Steiner ( 1585 ) <rsteiner@visi.com> on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:35AM (#19146119) Homepage Journal
    Record-setting profits are easy when the profit margin is 80%+, and selling quickly is easy when each new PC sold has a copy of your product bundled with it.

    That removes things like production costs and consumer choice from the equation. :-)

    We already fought them in court, and won. It's hard to gain much ground, however, when some elements of the government seems to be in bed with the company which is violating anti-trust laws...
  • by Skrynesaver ( 994435 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:37AM (#19146169) Homepage
    AS there were 238 Million PCs sold last year, we could take a rough calculation of 20M PCs sold per month, thus in the first ~= 4 months Vista shipped -20M copies, including pre-existing vouchers !!
  • by Kythe ( 4779 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:40AM (#19146221)
    ...just how many copies of AOL are in circulation. Surely, the fact that it's included with just about every new PC proves AOL is a stellar success.
  • by morgan_greywolf ( 835522 ) * on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:41AM (#19146235) Homepage Journal

    Ok, so let's assume the split is something like 39,995,000 OEM sales and 5,000 retail. So what?


    The world's largest OEM, Dell, has begun selling PCs with Windows XP again and will soon offer PCs with Ubuntu pre-loaded. These separate, but related incidents come on the heals of complaints from Dell customers who wanted a choice after they had tried Windows Vista and discovered it sucks.

    40 million licenses != 40 million Vista users.
  • by QuietLagoon ( 813062 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:43AM (#19146267)
    Trying to make a failed product launch look like a success.

    Fortunately, there are articles [theinquirer.net] that take a more rational view of how many copies of Vista are actually being sold.

    The headline is simple, 40 million copies sold. Wow, we rox0rz! This is twice as fast as the XP adoption rate. What he didn't mention is that sales of PCs have more than doubled since XP came out. Silly Vole, no statistical cookie. The problem? Well, PCs sell at about 60 million units a quarter, and everyone we talk to expects sales of around 240-245 million units in 2007. Vista went on sale at the end of November for corporate customers, and one would expect a fair chunk of sales there from pent-up demand.

  • by heinousjay ( 683506 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:51AM (#19146417) Journal
    That hardly matters from Microsoft's perspective. They've booked the revenue. They get the income. That's the goal, remember. Tearing the numbers apart in throes of pedantic ecstasy is just masturbation.
  • by value_added ( 719364 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @11:56AM (#19146501)
    Nope. They cannot state those as current-period sales, and for Gates to publically announce that they were would be grounds for FTC action. I'm sure he cleared the statement through Legal, so I'd be willing to bet those aren't included.

    I strongly doubt whether Gates needs to check with the folks in Legal when the folks in Accounting will do just fine.

    And since neither you nor I works in that area, we'll have to defer to someone more qualified or at least informed to comment as to how the sales were booked and the rationale used. In the interim, lets enjoy the wild speculation, trusting in the notion that there's a grain of truth to all rumours.
  • Re:I'm confused... (Score:5, Insightful)

    by spun ( 1352 ) <loverevolutionary@@@yahoo...com> on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:02PM (#19146603) Journal
    There is no such thing as slashdot group think. There are a wide variety of opinions expressed on this site, that's why I keep coming back. I think that the only reason anyone believes that stupid "group think" meme is because they believe that only someone brainwashed by group think could ever possibly disagree with them.

    Get over it. People who disagree with you are not weak willed idiots infected by some "group think" mental virus.
  • Sold to whom? (Score:1, Insightful)

    by bobbonomo ( 997543 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:03PM (#19146619) Homepage
    Whether bought at Best Buy or sold to OEMs it is still a copy and should count.

    How come when Mozilla (or whoever) quotes number of copies downloaded (to imply users) we never say a word or dispute the figures but when MS gives figures then is no end to the outcries? Of course there is marketing BS but everyone does it. OK so cut that number by a third. Still good numbers.

    I must have download FF at least the number of versions it has since day one but only 1 user.
  • Indeed (Score:5, Insightful)

    by DrYak ( 748999 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:15PM (#19146805) Homepage
    If you read the TFA carefully, you notice that they speak about "Vista license sold".
    Not "Vista License currently used to run the OS" or "machine currently running Vista in the wild".

    Almost any of my non-Linux-using friends that I know to have recently changed their computer, got it with Vista pre-installed by default and had to either go through the "can I swap it for a Windows XP if I send you the media ?" procedure with the machine manufacturer or dig out one of their one "Win XP Pirate edition".

    They are counted as "sold License". They don't run Vista any more.
    So my interpretation of the data is :

    40 * 10^6: Number of time Microsoft *sold Vista* (pre-installed on some machine at a time when the manufacturer didn't propose alternate OS)
    4 : Number of users currently running Vista (and still waiting for their legal WinXP install media that they claimed from the manufacturer to come in their mailboxes).

  • by GovCheese ( 1062648 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:28PM (#19146983)
    Few MS products look good out of the gate. Then they do what we do: they listen to their users and improve their product incrementally. Same thing FOSS devs do - but we don't like to admit that because MS are evil and their products don't live up to our standards. However, they make a shit pile doing it. A company with 20 something billion in reserves and no debt is not going to go down anytime soon folks and its foolish to underestimate a juggernaut with their resources. I'm not a fanboi and I could care less how well they are doing and its silly on our part to fixate on how poorly we would like to believe they are doing. It makes us look foolish. Let's fixate on improving our own dogfood instead of listening to our own make believe FUD. Let's not stoop to their level.
  • by wilsonthecat ( 1043880 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:33PM (#19147077)
    That's a myth, lemmings don't really jump off cliffs
  • by ratboy666 ( 104074 ) <fred_weigel@[ ]mail.com ['hot' in gap]> on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:33PM (#19147081) Journal
    The Linux kernel has more drivers than Microsoft Vista kernel.

    Linux distributions come with more software than Microsoft Vista distribution.

    Openoffice.org is a very capable replacement for Microsoft Office. Yes, some things are easier in Microsoft Office. And I would expect that -- after all, Microsoft Office costs a whole lot more.

    Yes, Firefox "does something". So does the Linux kernel. Specifically, the Linux kernel manages hardware resources. Mark me as failing your intelligence test.

  • by geoff lane ( 93738 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @12:57PM (#19147495)
    Someone elsewhere pointed out that since Vista was released there have been approximately 50 million PCs sold. So, selling 40 million Vista licenses isn't that great.
  • Re:Hmm.. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by M-G ( 44998 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @01:08PM (#19147655)
    I really doubt it's 40M retail licenses. So yeah, I'd give the credit to cutting off OEM licenses of XP. Even though build-to-order OEMs like Dell can still install XP for now, every retail computer has Vista.

    Yup. You just have to look at the numbers. "HP's worldwide PC market share grew to 17.6 percent in the first quarter of 2007 with sales of just over 11 million units, according a preliminary report from Gartner Inc." (source) [itworld.com]. Do the math. The same article says that Gartner and IDC define 'PC' in a slightly different way, so their numbers are different, but they report worldwide sales of 67 million and 58.9 million, respectively. That's in a single quarter. If that sales pace has continued, that can easily account for a huge chunk of Vista sales.

  • Re:XO (Score:4, Insightful)

    by DShard ( 159067 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @01:57PM (#19148351)
    If naive doesn't apply to children I doubt it applies to anyone. Kids _become_ the most computer savvy people after spending time with them. The idea they will be more knowledgeable than computer scientists is so laughable as to be endearing. On the other hand, it is one of the better trolls.
  • by Overly Critical Guy ( 663429 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @02:01PM (#19148405)
    Microsoft doesn't reveal consumer and retail sales of Windows licenses, only license sales to OEMs. They did the same for Windows XP. Microsoft doesn't want people to know that retail sales are down 60% from Windows XP and that Vista demand is so low, Dell has reinstated XP as an option on its machines.

    As for "beating" Mac numbers, Britney Spears also sells more CDs in a year than Mozart concerts do. If that's the kind of victory that Microsoft fanboys want to trumpet, go ahead. Meanwhile, Vista is a flop.
  • Re:Hmm.. (Score:5, Insightful)

    by the_womble ( 580291 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @02:13PM (#19148577) Homepage Journal

    The Linux fanbase has no qualms claiming downloading=using
    Really? The only Linux number I have seen recently were for Ubuntu, and that was based on the number of people downloading updates through the automated system.

    those who use Linux a large number have it installed on secondary partitions as they want to keep their primary windows platform while playing around with Linux to get geek cred
    No. The dual booters I have met use Linux as their primary OS and use Windows for games.

    it never was, never was meant to be and never will be a mass market operating system used by the naive users
    I know several naive users who prefer it to Windows.
  • by khephera ( 1009359 ) * <khephera54-slashdot@@@yahoo...com> on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @02:29PM (#19148831) Journal
    Suits me fine. It means that my Macbook and my Linux desktop will still be at the bottom of the list for spambot status :)
  • by HermMunster ( 972336 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @02:45PM (#19149039)
    These numbers are being disputed because it is impossible that these sales are to a consumer to be used by that consumer--many don't consider it a sale unless it is going into the hands of the actual consumer of the goods.

    Your analogy is wrong. Those distributed licenses are more like consignments than they are sales. When a store gets computers on consignment to sell they can sell those to customers and the ones they can't sell generally go back to the company that sold them to you on consignment. I'm sure the rules are somewhat different for each company offering consignment sales.

    In reality it is like the local baker that makes bread for various stores in town. The baker only gets paid for the bread that is sold to a customer. Those that go old and stale are given back to the baker or tossed by the baker and do not constitute a sale.

    So, yes, they are saying that the license did exchange hands from Microsoft to another entity but they did not make it into the hands of the actual consumer for their use. That's a big difference. This is why people get upset at companies such as Microsoft that exaggerate these claims. It is that it makes others feel there's a greater success there then there is. It is an attempt at generating a fever in order to convince others to buy what think everyone else is buying.

    The reality of it is that the hardware manufacturers are not experiencing increased sales and in fact, some leading hardware indicators are that sales are actually down. So, there's a lot of contradictory information here. Some from Microsoft which is now becoming the most untrustworthy company in the world, and the others from organizations that generally track these sales of hardware and software. The numbers that Microsoft has been touting are not matching up to the other leading indicators. For this reason people are trying to figure out why there are disparities. Without honest forthcoming numbers it'll take longer to see what actually happened. What Microsoft is doing is as bad as them sponsoring their own Polls and studies. We all know that those can't be trusted. It is only from independent 3rd parties that we can have some faith in the numbers.

    So people are just saying that it is impossible that 40 million copies have been sold and are in the hands of the consumer that is actually going to use them (especially when you don't also state that the market is 2 times the size it was to the market Microsoft compared it to). The ratio of "sold vs. customers" is about the same or lower than XP sales. These Microsoft numbers were debunked about a month or so ago by very reputable groups, and even though this is the case Microsoft keep touting them as facts. They are facts, they are just misleading because all the picture hasn't been presented.

    I'd estimate world-wide that there are some 50 million Linux users, probably more. Now that the update to Ubuntu is out I'd estimate a significantly greater number in the next year as Ubuntu is really a great desktop and it is a powerful desktop tool. You can do just about anything you want with it except play certain games or run Windows software. It is well structured, clean, well maintained, and once installed is good enough even for your granny to use.

    As far as drivers go: the availability of drivers for old and new hardware is better than those available to Windows Vista users, even proprietary drivers. In Ubuntu you can even get proprietary drivers installed with a couple clicks of a mouse whereas with Windows you have to go to the website of the hardware manufacturer and download then install them.

    This isn't to say that it is bad that you have to do that. It is to say that Ubuntu's implementation is quite nice and is very accessible to even the average user.

    As far as things like playing DVDs goes even under Windows you have to purchase a commercial package that has the necessary CODEC to play back encrypted movies and then you have to install it.

    Linux is extremely powerful an
  • by Arimus ( 198136 ) on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @06:11PM (#19152379)
    Okay,

    Of the 40m licences how many are licences which came with a new PC?

    Of the ones supplied with a new PC to firms how many firms left Vista on rather than reverting to XP?

    Of the remainder how many still have an MS OS on them (we recently had about 10 PC's for a client supplied with vista, they left with Linux on them - I know we could have got them barebones pc's but they wanted a named (not dell) brand)?
  • Re:Hmm.. (Score:3, Insightful)

    by fyngyrz ( 762201 ) * on Wednesday May 16, 2007 @06:45PM (#19152879) Homepage Journal
    Product activation... sends your product key in a secure fashion over the internet (or phone) and allows Microsoft to verify that you are actually using a legit copy of Windows. The only way I can see this as invasion of privacy and not being legal

    Well, here's the thing that bothers me about it.

    Let's say that some years down the road, I radically reconfigure my system, or it crashes, or I replace the machine with something else completely, and I have to reinstall. I have to go to MS, again, and re-activate.

    But suppose MS refuses... perhaps some kid has my product key out on the net, or I'm on some irrevocable government list that makes it a crime to sell to me, or maybe I have the same name as a known pirate, or because Vista's support window has closed, as Win95's and Win98's has.

    Or... suppose MS can't because there are patent issues, or their activation servers crashed, or because a meteor wiped them off the face of the earth, or because the west coast suddenly fell into the sea, or because terrorists nuked them, or the northwest becomes an active volcano zone... or perhaps other things I could probably think of if I was feeling a little more creative.

    Now let's imagine this same problem across all the desktops in the six businesses I own. That's a couple hundred machines. That's my livelihood, and the livelihood of all my employees. Now you have my full attention.

    Activation is DRM that depends upon the good will, continuing existence, legal ability, and support policies of the company doing the activating.

    The consequences of the OS not working include not being able to work with data once the grace period expires, in the cases where there is such a thing (30 days with Vista.) It can be moved, but if Vista has proven to be intractable, it would not make sense to continue trying to use Vista. If the data is moved to linux or OSX, the data may be lost anyway anyway, unless there are compatible programs that can translate it, or ports of those apps that can read it as if it was native.

    So clearly, the smart thing is to go with an OS that doesn't give any crap about reinstalling it. That means, at least today, either OSX or linux. Now the only thing stopping machines from keeping on keeping on, as it were, are backup habits. Mine, and those controlled by me, have been honed to a pretty fine sensibility by 37 years of being involved with computers.

    As far as I am concerned, MS went a step too far with product activation. My opinion only controls an incredibly miniscule portion of the market, and so I'm quite sure MS doesn't give a hoot on any level whatsoever, but that's no longer my problem, as I'm no longer tied to their OS either personally or with regard to my business operations.

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