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Internet2 Deployment Reaches Major Milestone 93

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from the they-grow-up-so-fast dept.
An anonymous reader writes "Internet2 today announced that the first East to West Coast span on its new nationwide 100 gigabit per second network has been completed and is providing production IP and circuit services. This deployment marks another major milestone in bringing leading- edge networking resources to the research and education community in the United States."
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Internet2 Deployment Reaches Major Milestone

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  • by Anonymous Coward

    the first East to West Coast span on its new nationwide 100 gigabit per second network has been completed
    Uh oh. That's a whole lotta spam!

    What's to stop someone like National American University or University of Phoenix from getting access to this and spamming the hell out of me? They already do it with snail mail ...
  • The Map (Score:5, Informative)

    by DaveWick79 (939388) on Thursday June 14, 2007 @08:04AM (#19503455)
    See http://www.internet2.edu/network/library/deploymen t_phases.pdf [internet2.edu]

    Almost as interested as what is covered is what is not yet covered. Does anyone know how long they expect this to take to fully implement?
    • Re: (Score:3, Informative)

      by bockelboy (824282)
      I attended a presentation by the CEO of I2 last month. This should be finished by the end of this year.
    • Message From the Future Using the Intangled Pair Interface

      With InternetX deployed last August (2020), we can now surf the Internet Way Back Machine 4.0 by directly accessing web pages in the past. The only thing we have to over come is that we have to assign NATted TSC/IP addresses (also known as IPv32, 32 sets of 32bit strings) to address computers in the TSC (time space continuum). (Oh, I've already got my lawyers working in 2007 to cover patents on TSC/IP)

      Your puny Internet2 was relegated to serve u

    • Re:The Map (Score:4, Insightful)

      by Phisbut (761268) on Thursday June 14, 2007 @09:55AM (#19504605)

      Almost as interested as what is covered is what is not yet covered. Does anyone know how long they expect this to take to fully implement?

      If by "fully implement" you mean "make it accessible to every Joe Somebody like the Internet 1 is", then I hope never. The original internet was intended for science and education, then AOL arrived and now it's filled with Viagra and Paris Hilton videos. Let's hope we learned from our mistakes and leave this Internet2 alone, out of commercial reach.

      • by Have Blue (616)
        They will, but that doesn't mean you'll be able to get to it either. They only let research and education institutions on it.
      • by benow (671946)
        He says replying to a moderated information exchange site with participants from around the world exchanging mostly relevant and mostly intelligent conversation. The internet is far more than Paris Hilton and Viagra... for that there's adblock. Bring on the bandwidth. Sure, there'll be crap, but there'll also be much advancement.
      • Fully implement means making this backbone available to ISP's across the country, if they even plan to take it that far. Considering that IPTV and other forms of streaming video have the potential to replace the existing cable structure in many areas, or at least give them competition, I think that it is advantageous to everyone to be able to access this network.
    • interestingly...Orlando/Disney/Universal didn't even make the cut for a connection in "Layer 1"
    • by cweber (34166)
      Much of it has been implemented for a while now. I forget when exactly my institution obtained access, but it was years ago. Back then it was not at the current speed, obviously, but still MUCH faster than the clogged public network. Of course it helps to get timely access if you're near a major node, in our case San Diego Supercomputer Center, and if you are a bona fide research center.
  • by blcamp (211756) on Thursday June 14, 2007 @08:07AM (#19503477) Homepage
    ...before legitimate commerical interests take old.

    Then, after that - pr0n, spam, hax0rs, skr1p7 k1dd13z, and all the rest.

    After all, the first part of "Internet2" is "Internet".

    Won't it be great? Getting all those worms delivered at breakneck speeds?
    • Re: (Score:2, Funny)

      by IndieKid (1061106)

      Won't it be great? Getting all those worms delivered at breakneck speeds?
      At least with all the new bandwidth the worms will be able to take over your PC in glorious High Definition.
    • by spellraiser (764337) on Thursday June 14, 2007 @08:16AM (#19503527) Journal

      pr0n, spam, hax0rs, skr1p7 k1dd13z

      One of these does not belong ...

    • by MaXimillion (856525) on Thursday June 14, 2007 @08:22AM (#19503593)

      Then, after that - pr0n, spam, hax0rs, skr1p7 k1dd13z, and all the rest. Won't it be great? Getting all those worms delivered at breakneck speeds?
      If your pr0n involves worms, you might want to keep it to yourself, as most of us do NOT want to know about it :p
    • by Erwos (553607)
      Having legitimate commercial interests take hold would probably be a nice improvement over the copyright infringement free-for-all it is right now. As far as 99.9% of students care, it's just a really fast place to trade warez and porn.
      • by blhack (921171)
        People that use I2 to trade warez, porn, music etc. are the biggest pain in my ass!

        When i was attending ASU, which has internet2 (supposedly even in the dorms), I needed(wanted) to download the latest version of knoppix, which is now on a DVD (cd versions are also available). When i tried to do it (even downloading from an I2 server), speeds were HORRIBLE...somewhere in the 32kbps range.

        Come to find out that while, yes, you ARE transmitting data across I2, they throttle it to prevent nightmares like the bi
    • Then, after that - pr0n, spam, hax0rs, skr1p7 k1dd13z, and all the rest


      Dunno about you, but I was around on the Internet1 before the 'commercial interests' took hold.

      All those things you listed predated the commercial interests, 'cept maybe skr1p7 k1dd13z.
      • Re: (Score:3, Interesting)

        by owlnation (858981)

        Dunno about you, but I was around on the Internet1 before the 'commercial interests' took hold.

        IIRC, the rise of spam and commercial interests were pretty much concurrent. But yes, pr0n and and hax0rs were there way way way before the suits got involved.

        There's probably a way of charting the rise of spam/commercial interests inversely against the IQ of the average Internet 1 user.

        Sadly, however, having ruined Internet 1 for many of us, the commercially interested are already foaming at the mouth in

      • by h2_plus_O (976551)

        All those things you listed predated the commercial interests
        wait- hasn't pr0n always been like the #1 commercial interest on teh interwebz?
  • by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, 2007 @08:10AM (#19503499)
  • Still on dial-up (Score:3, Insightful)

    by seniorcoder (586717) on Thursday June 14, 2007 @08:18AM (#19503545)
    I'm too far away for DSL. There is no cable modem service in my street. Am I stuck with dial-up to this mega-network? If so, progress seems a long way off to me.
    • Re: (Score:3, Insightful)

      by Anonymous Coward
      The Internet2 was designed as a testbed for applications by universities and corporations. It was not designed to improve connection speeds to the internet for individuals. It is more like the ARPANET than the internet. Some applications designed on Internet2 may migrate to the users on the internet, but there are no plans for users of the internet to migrate to Internet2.
      • by zymano (581466)
        Testbed my ass.

        It's being used to pirate movies by college students.

        It's just a toy for the subsidized.

        That money could be and SHOULD be spent on last mile connections for EVERYONE at an 'affordable' price!

        By the way, I'm on dialup too.
    • by pyite (140350)
      I'm too far away for DSL. There is no cable modem service in my street. Am I stuck with dial-up to this mega-network? If so, progress seems a long way off to me.

      Internet2 is for research institutions only. Most of such institutions are universities. Some are not (such as CERN, or even Microsoft has a connection). Ordinary users will never have data go across Internet2.

      Here's part of a traceroute to microsoft.com:

      12 so-0-0-0.0.rtr.salt.net.internet2.edu (64.57.28.24) 79.663 ms 75.458 ms 75.504 ms
      13 64.5
      • Lol, unless you are an ordinary user living at a research institution. My university (Iowa State) was connected, and so because I lived in the dorms I was easilly able to connect to all kinds of things over Internet2. Downloading huge Linux distros was a dream. Lol, if all your friends were at universities with connections, you could even get some great gaming in over it :D.
      • by brunascle (994197)
        so for those on the network, the internet2 network sort of works as if it were part of the regular internet backbone? does that mean p2p between two people from different universities on the network could go across internet2? hmm...
        • by noahm (4459)

          so for those on the network, the internet2 network sort of works as if it were part of the regular internet backbone? does that mean p2p between two people from different universities on the network could go across internet2? hmm...

          Yes, barring local policies restricting such traffic, all IP travelling between major US academic and research sites goes over I2 automatically, without the users ever needing to know it. Given that it typically costs a whole lot less to send traffic over I2 than over a comm

        • by pyite (140350)
          does that mean p2p between two people from different universities on the network could go across internet2? hmm...

          Yes, that's the case. There used to be an Internet2-only Direct Connect network called I2Hub [wikipedia.org].
    • by Lumpy (12016)
      How about wireless? I know of several that get good EVDO service from Verizon at their vacation cabin in rural areas. At least ISDN speeds.

      Granted it's horribly overpriced for what it is, but it's an option and is linux-able.
  • "education community"
    'Cough' P2P ?

    Great ! I need a bigger pipe for my porn and music shares !
    (and no my pipe is plenty big as is.. pervs)
  • by cccc828 (740705) on Thursday June 14, 2007 @08:21AM (#19503571)
    it is supposed to be Internet 2.0!
  • Where do we stand? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by bogaboga (793279) on Thursday June 14, 2007 @08:25AM (#19503619)
    Are we still behind countries like Korea and Canada on this front with this development? Let an informed soul clarify.
    • by batkiwi (137781)
      Behind with regard to what?

      -total point to point bandwidth available?
      -typical consumer access speed?
      -max single speed transfer ever done?
      -total peering overlap to provide for multiple routing paths?

      The US is ahead of 3 of those 4. If you are a large company, university, etc then being in the us is the best place to be. If you're a consumer...
  • Internet2?! (Score:3, Funny)

    by segedunum (883035) on Thursday June 14, 2007 @08:29AM (#19503639)
    Oh shit, I didn't realise I was on the wrong version. I better upgrade quick.
  • damned kids (Score:5, Funny)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 14, 2007 @08:45AM (#19503781)
    Internet1 replies "I remember when we had to walk uphill through a 9600 baud line, both ways!!"
    • 9600 baud? My first Internet connection was 2400 baud, and I thought I came pretty late to the Internet party.
  • I have looked at the partner sites for the project http://international.internet2.edu/partners/ [internet2.edu] there doesn't seem to be much progress outside of the US. Are there plans for any that anybody is aware of?
    • by imogthe (742394)
      This is not intended as a flame, but did you actually read and underestand the link you just posted? They pretty much list every major research network in Europe, Asia, Africa and the Middle East.. what more could you want? They may not be named 'Internet2', but they're still pretty significant networks in their own right, covering a large number of research and educational institutions :)
  • by jollyreaper (513215) on Thursday June 14, 2007 @09:01AM (#19503927)
    Will Internet2 always be the academic side, Internet1 remains separate, and they will just be upgraded in sections in the coming years? Will Internet2 always be the faster of the two? Will it serve as the proving ground for technology that later filters down to Internet1?
    • by Have Blue (616)
      Yes to all. Don't expect I2 access if you're out of college (and not working at a major telecom company or research lab).
      • Yes to all. Don't expect I2 access if you're out of college (and not working at a major telecom company or research lab).

        It's no biggie, nobody could really view that much pr0n anyways. :) But concerning the previous article posted here about the data generated from those super-collider experiments, there are some technology demands that can outstrip even pr0n... at least until we come up with the full VR simulations that involves a thousand times the data of an HD video.

        The first modem I ever saw was a 300 baud and the first one I ever owned was a 2400 baud that cost hundreds of dollars. The pace of technology advancement b

  • Where do I donwload Internet 2 ?
  • But who hammered in the Golden Fiber Spike?
    • Ulysses "Single-mode" Grant.

      (Admit it....you always wondered what the "S" stood for in his name.)

      (For the intensely dense, "single-mode" is a descriptor for a type of optical fiber)
  • Misused term (Score:3, Informative)

    by sherriw (794536) on Thursday June 14, 2007 @10:22AM (#19505039)
    Internet2 is a trademarked non-profit organization name. The network they are making is called the Abilene Network.
  • I figure 640 gigabits should be enough for anyone, so they still have a way to go.
  • At my school, we've got access to Internet2, but I haven't really figured out a way to utilize it. Does anyone know of a way the network can be accessed for transfers? I ran a test on my machine that said it could access Abilene, but I haven't really found a way to know i'm using it.

    I'm curious if it is automatic for some uses, like distros from other institutes. I downloaded Knoppix in a short length of time from Duke while in my dorm room, averaging speeds between 800-1500KB/s.

    Anyone know how easy/har
    • by cweber (34166)
      Where I work any transfer to an from a .edu address is pretty much guaranteed to go over I2. Given your Knoppix throughput numbers, I'd be willing to bet you were using the I2 backbone, too. No way you can reach these speeds over the commercial internet. Short of getting the skinny from your institution's network admins there's no clearcut way of knowing for sure, though. That's the beauty of flexible routing.
    • by Thijssss (655388)
      Probably not or limited by the (highly likely) 100Mbit connection of the server you were downloading from. Oh and on the other reply on this message.. 1500KBps is something allot of people actually get at home over the 'regular' Internet .. so it's shitty slow
  • Double? (Score:2, Funny)

    by HotBBQ (714130)
    Will Internet2 have twice the tubes or tubes twice the size?
  • 100Mbps to the home, wow nice, now I can get much faster pr0n downloads and 100x more v14gra spam.

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