Kevin Spiritus lets us know that XiTi Monitor, a French Web survey institute, has published its browser barometer for July, and Internet Explorer continues to lose ground. "The ascension of Firefox continues... Nearly 28% average use rate in Europe in the beginning of July 2007, with a progression in the totality of the 32 European countries studied. Firefox doesn't loose ground in any of the countries."
No, no, the story that was posted earlier this week was about this study. This story is the study. Even though they have the exact same data, they're entirely different: This one has graphs!
Oh come on, let's not loose site of the things that defiantly matter here. We can play fast and lose with the little facts so much as we get the big ones write everyday. I wonder if alot of people woulda even noticed the affect of a little mispelling like that.
"Mozilla's Firefox web browser has made dramatic gains on Microsoft's Internet Explorer throughout Europe in the past year with a marked upturn in FF use compared to IE over the past four months, according to French web monitoring service XiTiMonitor. A study of nearly 96,000 websites carried out during the week of July 2 to July 8 found that FF had 27.8% market share across Eastern and Western Europe, IE had 66.5%, with other browsers including Safari and Opera making up the remaining 5.7%. In some key European markets FF has already reached parity and is threatening to overtake IE as the market leading browser."
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Kevin Spiritus lets us know that XiTi Monitor, a French Web survey institute, has published its browser barometer for July, and Internet Explorer continues to lose ground. "The ascension of Firefox continues... Nearly 28% average use rate in Europe in the beginning of July 2007, with a progression in the totality of the 32 European countries studied. Firefox doesn't loose ground in any of the countries."
I realize we have the Firehose now but are people who read Slashdot daily using it properly? We don't need two stories in a short time frame (4 days) about the same topic.
Methodology:
Firefox's use rate corresponds to the totality of Firefox visits during the period in relation to the entirety of visits, all browsers taken together.
They don't explain what "visits" means. Does it mean visits to *their* site? Did they poll a random number of site owners? I'm sorry, but unless they can provide some supporting information, then these statistics are meaningless.
They don't explain what "visits" means. Does it mean visits to *their* site? Did they poll a random number of site owners? I'm sorry, but unless they can provide some supporting information, then these statistics are meaningless.
I don't think they're meaningless. Inaccurate maybe. I can see how users of Firefox would visit certain sites more often than users of other browsers, and that could skew the numbers.
This is a hard one for non-native English speakers, because "lose" is pronounced so bizarrely it sounds like it needs two Os. However, "loose" is how we describe poor security, and "lose" is what happens when I try to play one of these newfangled video games. FYI, FWIW.
Gotta love english, dose doesn't fit either fwiw. Doze is pronounced the same as pose, nose etc. Dose is pronounced like close, but only if you mean close as in near. Close as in 'close up shop' is like doze. What a mess;)
English isn't so much a set of rules as it is a set of exceptions.
My biggest english hangup is with archive...having been taught phonetically I always say ar-CHive, like 'chive', when it should be pronounced as arkive. I know this, I always think this when I say it, but it always comes out l
While I am technically a non-native speaker being an Indian (Disclaimer: I did not derkejeeerrbs), english was the first language I learnt. I have noticed that people who speak british english tend to accept anomalies in english more than american english speakers. To be honest, I never thought of how strange the pronunciation of 'lose' was until I tried to find more examples and all I could think of was words like rose,hose,dose,chose etc... It is indeed an odd pronunciation, but it never seemed strange. M
This is a hard one for non-native English speakers
I've given up on worrying about what non-native speakers do to English. Over the years of knowing many non-native speakers, I've figured out the ways in which English makes no sense to them, and the way in which they make odd-sounding conjugations etc are perfectly reasonable in terms of how their own language works and how they were taught English (mostly). They're usually following a perfectly reasonable rule -- as a friend points out, his English is w
1. This story is a dupe 2. Yay firefox... but honestly is it all that important? How about discussing ways we can actually get firefox to perform better? Now that's a conversation actually worth having, but it might involve thinking instead of rabid fanboyism & MS hatred, so don't expect to see it on Slashdot. 3. For the last freakin' time: Your mom is loose, you are just a loser can you finally get it right!!??!?!?!!
As much as like that firefox's share is increasing (CSS rendering...), we get it! How slow is this news day? Enough! + or - one two percents, who cares.
The about:config setting you're looking for is config.trim_on_minimize. Set this true.
I think this raises a point, though, in relation to browser share. The majority of users do not want to have to tweak anything. If they need to change Firefox configs in order to match performance under IE7, most would instead go back to IE7.[1]
Personally, I don't think browser share is the ultimate measure of how good a browser Firefox is. The only reason why I think it's important that FF and other browsers eat away
I think this raises a point, though, in relation to browser share. The majority of users do not want to have to tweak anything. If they need to change Firefox configs in order to match performance under IE7, most would instead go back to IE7.[1]
As far as that goes, any software developer knows that when it comes to performance, you can maximize for size or speed, but not both. In this case, FF chose to optimize for speed, rather than size, but left a config option for those who would rather they had taken
Font appearance is a personal taste issue, although I cant tell the difference. How are you measuring RAM usage? Because it isn't the amount of RAM in the task manager you want to worry about. What you need to find out is what do the applications do when the system is low on resources. If firefox is a good little application and surrenders that RAM when the system needs it, then it doesn't matter if it is 'using' it at other times.
Just a suggestion, but you might want to try Opera. It's smaller and faster than its rivals.
But, as others have pointed out, MSIE is known for not reporting memory usage correctly, so it's very hard to make like for like memory usage comparisons based solely on the numbers reported by Task Manager.
verb (used with object) 20. to let loose; free from bonds or restraint. 21. to release, as from constraint, obligation, or penalty.
Over-generalising isn't going to help them remember. It'll only confuse them more when they encounter a less common usage, and think they've got it backwards again.
How is this not a dupe? (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:How is this not a dupe? (Score:5, Funny)
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Wow, is Mozilla going to "stay the course"? (Score:5, Funny)
George W Bush = Firefox.
Stay the course, guys. Victory against Microsoft is just around the corner.
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Re:How is this not a dupe? (Score:5, Funny)
The previous story was about Firefox gaining market share.
This story is about IE "loosing" ground.
Completely different.
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Good Lord people...at least if you post it front page get it right!!!
It is lose not loose....
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Re:How is this not a dupe? (Score:5, Funny)
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It doesn't loose any ground? (Score:3, Funny)
Re:It doesn't loose any ground? (Score:5, Funny)
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Pound it into our heads why don't ya? (Score:5, Informative)
"Mozilla's Firefox web browser has made dramatic gains on Microsoft's Internet Explorer throughout Europe in the past year with a marked upturn in FF use compared to IE over the past four months, according to French web monitoring service XiTiMonitor. A study of nearly 96,000 websites carried out during the week of July 2 to July 8 found that FF had 27.8% market share across Eastern and Western Europe, IE had 66.5%, with other browsers including Safari and Opera making up the remaining 5.7%. In some key European markets FF has already reached parity and is threatening to overtake IE as the market leading browser."
From the current blurb:
Kevin Spiritus lets us know that XiTi Monitor, a French Web survey institute, has published its browser barometer for July, and Internet Explorer continues to lose ground. "The ascension of Firefox continues... Nearly 28% average use rate in Europe in the beginning of July 2007, with a progression in the totality of the 32 European countries studied. Firefox doesn't loose ground in any of the countries."
I realize we have the Firehose now but are people who read Slashdot daily using it properly? We don't need two stories in a short time frame (4 days) about the same topic.
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Dupe!
j/k
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What do you mean, framed? He only paid for 4 digits, and got 6. That's, like, 50% free.
At least that's what everyone tells me...
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I don't think they're meaningless. Inaccurate maybe. I can see how users of Firefox would visit certain sites more often than users of other browsers, and that could skew the numbers.
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I'm Loosing My Mind! (Score:3, Funny)
Lose vs Loose (Score:5, Informative)
loose ground
This is a hard one for non-native English speakers, because "lose" is pronounced so bizarrely it sounds like it needs two Os. However, "loose" is how we describe poor security, and "lose" is what happens when I try to play one of these newfangled video games. FYI, FWIW.
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Lose sounds like 'Luuze' while
Loose sounds like 'Luce'.
Weird.
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And a lot of native speakers as well.
Personally I don't understand that, since I read books a lot and am an excellent speller.
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Nose
Dose
Hose
Rose
Lose
Yup... something's off.
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Doze is pronounced the same as pose, nose etc.
Dose is pronounced like close, but only if you mean close as in near. Close as in 'close up shop' is like doze.
What a mess
English isn't so much a set of rules as it is a set of exceptions.
My biggest english hangup is with archive...having been taught phonetically I always say ar-CHive, like 'chive', when it should be pronounced as arkive. I know this, I always think this when I say it, but it always comes out l
Re:Lose vs Loose (Score:5, Funny)
i think "lose" should be spelled with two O's and a Z just like it sounds... like booze.
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May be "poor security to you..." (Score:2)
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I've given up on worrying about what non-native speakers do to English. Over the years of knowing many non-native speakers, I've figured out the ways in which English makes no sense to them, and the way in which they make odd-sounding conjugations etc are perfectly reasonable in terms of how their own language works and how they were taught English (mostly). They're usually following a perfectly reasonable rule -- as a friend points out, his English is w
Europe (Score:5, Funny)
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Actually, TFA says IE is UNDER 70% (Score:2)
..and what does "loose ground" mean, anyway? Some kind of freak geological phenomenon?
Another poor dupe (Score:4, Informative)
2. Yay firefox... but honestly is it all that important? How about discussing ways we can actually get firefox to perform better? Now that's a conversation actually worth having, but it might involve thinking instead of rabid fanboyism & MS hatred, so don't expect to see it on Slashdot.
3. For the last freakin' time: Your mom is loose, you are just a loser can you finally get it right!!??!?!?!!
loose any ground (Score:2, Funny)
To be fair, the Europeans do have rotten taste (Score:4, Funny)
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BBspot (Score:2, Informative)
Ok, ok, we get it (Score:2)
Missing S (Score:4, Funny)
My web stats for June (Score:3, Informative)
Re:Any more data? (Score:5, Informative)
Yep!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usage_share_of_web_b
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The about:config setting you're looking for is config.trim_on_minimize. Set this true.
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I think this raises a point, though, in relation to browser share. The majority of users do not want to have to tweak anything. If they need to change Firefox configs in order to match performance under IE7, most would instead go back to IE7.[1]
Personally, I don't think browser share is the ultimate measure of how good a browser Firefox is. The only reason why I think it's important that FF and other browsers eat away
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As far as that goes, any software developer knows that when it comes to performance, you can maximize for size or speed, but not both. In this case, FF chose to optimize for speed, rather than size, but left a config option for those who would rather they had taken
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What the Hell? (Score:2)
Maybe you really aren't a Microsoft shill, but you sure sound like one.
4 tabs open in IE7 and firefox + both minimised > ie7 using 4MB! firefox is using 60MB! wtf?
This is a logical fallacy of some crazy kind. Is IE a standalone application that's reporting its *actual* memory use? Very doubtful.
How about the dog-slowedness of rendering in IE7? Wait. don't tell me it's rocket-fast for you right?
http://www.google.com/search?q=ie7+slow&ie=utf-8&o e=utf-8 [google.com]
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But, as others have pointed out, MSIE is known for not reporting memory usage correctly, so it's very hard to make like for like memory usage comparisons based solely on the numbers reported by Task Manager.
Re:Note to editors (Score:5, Informative)
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Re:Deja Vu all over again... (Score:4, Funny)
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http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/loose [reference.com]
A small sample:
Over-generalising isn't going to help them remember. It'll only confuse them more when they encounter a less common usage, and think they've got it backwards again.