Google Shows Off Ad-Supported Cell Phone 290
taoman1 writes "Today Google showed off a ad-supported cellphone that the company plans to offer for free to interested parties. The product could reach the marketplace within a year, and will offer Google search, email, and a web browser. 'The move would echo another recent product launched by a phone industry outsider, Apple Inc.'s iPhone. But Google's product would draw its revenue from a sharply different source, relying on commercial advertising dollars instead of the sticker price of at least US$499 for an iPhone and $60 per month for the AT&T Inc. service plan. Negotiating the fairest way to split those advertising revenues with service providers could be a big hurdle for Google, one analyst said. Another problem is the potential that consumers could be scared off by the prospect of listening to advertisements before being able to make phone calls, said Jeff Kagan, a wireless and telecommunications industry analyst in Atlanta.'"
listen to ads? (Score:5, Interesting)
Would work for me (Score:5, Interesting)
The only drawback I can see is if your trying to make a 911 call and have to wait through a minute and a half of dice.com adds only to panic and hit 991 and have to do it all over again.
If they do this I'd probably pick one up as probably one of the 2% of Americans that don't currently have a cell phone.
Re:listen to ads? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:listen to ads? (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:listen to ads? (Score:2, Interesting)
Watch out pay-as-you-go phones (Score:3, Interesting)
I'm okay with ads which replace.. (Score:5, Interesting)
Re:Audio ads? (Score:5, Interesting)
My guess would be that a Google-phone would have text ads put into it based on emails you're reading (just like Gmail), or things you are searching. When you're not receiving a call, it would maybe display text ads for nearby events or businesses (with location determined from cell tower or maybe just based on your registered home address). Alot of people use their cellphone to check the time, so they would see these ads. Such ads would be relatively non-intrusive. You could look at them if you wanted to, and ignore them otherwise.
I think actually quite a few people would be willing to get such a phone. The article speculates that only teenagers and others without enough money will be interested in an ad-supported phone. I think the demographic is larger than that. A certain fraction of the population can afford, but cannot justify the expense. (E.g. they make enough money, but don't really ~need~ a cellphone or wireless email.) For this demographic, an ad-supported phone would be very attractive. ("$60/month to check my email when I'm on the train? No way!.... Read a few ads while checking my email? Sure, why not!") Plus, plenty of people who now pay for cellphones think they are getting ripped off, and would be more than happy to have one less bill per month, even if it meant having ads on the phone.
The demographic exists, and there is a way to insert ads that will not be obnoxious. The part I'm not so sure about is whether people casually looking at ads is sufficiently valuable for advertisers to pay the usual network connection fees.
Re:The voice version of AdSense? (Score:5, Interesting)
voice keywords and search topics while mobile.
Areas of possible analysis:
--The voice data recorded is being analyzed to train their system to recognize popular search items, i.e., "where's a pizza place?" in a call. The voice recognition training would then be applied to the Google Cell service triggering an uninvasive, but welcomed, advertisement.
--The requests being made on 800-GOOG-411 are aggregated into marketing data that shows what's popular to look for on landlines or on the move. If the NPA-NXX is generally for a cell phone, Google can say that X block of numbers during Y time tends to make requests for Z. Add GPS capabilities to that, and you've now got many dimensions to add to a model that determines which ads would be the most successful.
Esp Media tried ad sponsored cell phone services. (Score:3, Interesting)
http://www.allbusiness.com/marketing-advertising/
I worked for Esp Media as a consultant, in 2000. Located in Montreal, we built the company with 7 software writers in about 6 months (there was more staff for administration and marketing though). Technically, it worked great. But the sales were lousy and Esp Media lost its funding with the dot com bubble burst. Still, one of my best work experience ever.
Re:listen to ads? (Score:5, Interesting)
I'd likely get one, so long as that single criteria was met.
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How do phone ads generate revenue (Score:3, Interesting)
On the web, it's easy enough to be diverted by a good ad to quickly visit somewhere and perhaps buy something. But on a phone, you not only have the problem that the user might want to do something right then (make a call) that they are not willing to divert from, but also have the issue of how to you enable the user to actually make a purchase. I guess perhaps you have a credit card registered with the phone provider and you just click "buy now" when an appealing ad comes up?
Even local ads, where you get ads for businesses around you that you show the business for a discount sounds kind of iffy.
If anyone can figure out how to squeeze money out of that model though, I guess it will be Google!
I wonder if they'll require a certain level of usage each month to keep up service? Otherwise I can see people just getting one for free and throwing it in the car for emergencies.
Re:further proof (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:further proof (Score:4, Interesting)
A free phone is more useful, even if it is ad supported. Add to that a browser and the Google touch and it's OK.
As I said earlier, I would use this, while in the case of Works I'll stick with notepad.
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Re:I disagree (Score:5, Interesting)
One is brand recognition. Yes, people love to be associated with certain brands, due to the image those brands have created for themselves. But having a brand symbol on your jacket or shirt is not the same as having a full-page advertisement printed on it.
People are grudgingly accepting the ads before the movies. What I see are people talking to each other, waiting for the movie to start, people interested in the trailers, and some ads that are at least funny. But people are clearly there for the movie, not the ads, and are happy when the ads are over.
Regular people are fed up with advertising, but they don't express it, they accept it. But open your eyes and you'll see. Walk down your street and look on the mailboxes. In my street, at least two out of every three mailboxes carry a "no advertisement, please" label.
Re:listen to ads? (Score:5, Interesting)
Agreed! Gotta love this quote from the article:
""The average adult who can afford a cell phone is not going to want to listen to ads. So this is mainly for teenagers, twenty-somethings, high schoolers or people who can't afford a phone," "
Well then just add me to the list. By the time they add taxes, the cheapest text messaging plan and insurance I'm paying nearly $100 a month for a regular, "cheap" cellphone plan. Add me to the list of people who "can't afford a phone" because it's killing me. I would love to listen to a 30 second ad before making a call.
There was a 1-800 service I used many years ago called phonehog [phonehog.com] that provided a calling card for use at payphones if you listened to ads. For every 30 second ad I listened to I think I got a 3 minute call. Worked very well and I loved the service, but when payphones started disappearing and cellphone plans got cheaper I stopped using the service.
Google's free phone will kill the prepaid market. Who would pay $50 for 400 minutes [paygmobile.com] when they can get the calls for free? I think I would like an option though, maybe if I press # and the number then deduct the minutes from prepaid minutes but if not then I'll listen to ads.
What about incoming calls? Some companies, like Sprint [sprintpcs.com] and US Cellular [getusc.com] offer free incoming already with select plans. I suppose Google would have to implement something similar, they can't delay an incoming call so you can listen to some ads.
Re:Esp Media tried ad sponsored cell phone service (Score:3, Interesting)
Re:listen to ads? (Score:5, Interesting)
Imagine if you had lived your whole life surrounded by people working at jobs that barely made ends meet. Now imagine how you would:
a) Fit your head around the notion that you could get a job that paid well, having no direct experience with people with such a job.
b) Obtain the skills to get that job.
c) Recover, with no support network, from the inevitable bad decisions or bad luck that befall everyone.
d) Develop all of the skills and habits to take advantage of financial success, having not been raised with them.
If your parents worked professional jobs, ever bought you a car or bailed you out of some financial problem, or paid for your college, you have NO CONCEPT of why the poor are "the poor".
Part of the problem is similar to (although much less severe than) trying to understand how people could do the stupid things they did hundreds of years ago. You live in a different culture, that has given you tools to become successful and build on that success. What's more, the culture has given you confidence in those tools that just hearing about them can't convey.
While I admit that I don't have any answers to the problem, I don't think that it's simply a matter of not knowing how, not having the opportunity, not having skills, or not having models of success. If that were the case, how would one explain the success of so many of the illegal immigrants that thrive in my area?
They face hardships that the native poor can't even begin to fathom. They come from the poorest parts of Mexico and Guatemala, which make US housing projects seem like palaces. Most can't speak English, are poorly educated and are relatively unskilled. Being illegals, they have a tenuous (at best) support networks, are frequently victims of crime that they can't report, as well as face racism and general antipathy. Yet they come here, work hard, save their money and move up the social ladder.
The place that I live in is a semi-rural area, with lots of mobile homes and ramshackle houses, high unemployment, and little in the way of industry or opportunity.
And for the record, my parents never worked professional jobs, bought me a car, bailed me out, or paid for my college. We moved to this country when I was seven with nothing. My single mother, my brother and I lived in a nasty, one-room basement apartment for three years until she saved the enough money (cleaning rich people's houses) to buy a small house. She continued the cycle of working and saving her money, and in another few years, we moved to a nicer house.
Instead of having an allowance, my brother and I walked or rode our bicycles to nicer neighborhoods so we could cut lawns, shovel sidewalks, rake yards, etc. to earn money. We took jobs as soon as we were able, saved our money and worked hard at school.
Both of us fucked up some in our late teens and early twenties but were never bailed out. I put myself through college at age thirty-two, while working full-time and raising children. My brother is a biologist and I own a business that does pretty well.
My wife has a similar story. While she's lived in the US all of her life, she grew up in a very poor family and she worked her way through sevens years of pharmacy college.
But I can't help but think that the opportunity is there. Will it be as easy as it will for those who have social connections, money, and easy access to education? Hell no, but it *is* there. Why people don't take it? I really can't come up with a good answer.
So naive ... (Score:3, Interesting)
Google isn't just "selling ads" they're monitoring people habits. They can monitor what words people talk and with who. They provide a hardware based ID so any services used trough the cell phone can not be anonymized. In the end they can use all that info to "sell ads" and "index the world", two of the Google mantras.
Google marketing is to charge everyone 10% while advertising the 90% discount. People are so prone to technology that they don't care what they're giving back.
Re:listen to ads? (Score:2, Interesting)
I am in the top 5 percent on income, but I had the good fortune to be smart enough to get a full scholarship. And I am very worried that I don't know how to raise kids in a household with money - I'm far from rich but I'm sure that the rural upbringing and lack of ready entertainment had a lot to do with my industry and education, and it's very hard to take that ready entertainment away from your kids when they know you can easily afford it.
not a bad idea (Score:3, Interesting)
It would be like 411 and a personal assistant rolled into one. I would hope all that the actual voice/conversation analysis stuff happens locally on the phone instead of on a server
Re:further proof (Score:3, Interesting)
YOU ARE COMPLETELY WRONG (Score:3, Interesting)
The immigrants share housing and eschew luxuries
So all of a sudden living in a basement with 20 others and luxuries such as "food" or "" becomes the defacto acceptable minimum standard of living?
Stop saying stupid such as telling it that it should "OK" for people in a western world to live in a situation like a fucking "Favela".
The United States should be ashamed for the low standard of living for some of it's citizens.
Re:listen to ads? (Score:3, Interesting)
This kind of reminds me of what people describe early cable TV as being like - you paid a fee so there were no ads. Then, after a while, you still paid, but you also got ads. I don't want to see the reverse happening here - first free phone with ads, then paid phone with ads. Still, maybe competition can keep that possibility away.
Re:further proof (Score:2, Interesting)