Spotlight on Facebook Groups Affects Microsoft 150
NewsCloud writes "After Slashdot reported Facebook Exposes Advertisers To Hate Speech, the company removed its F**k Islam group for a day (it's back up now). According to the New York Times, 'Facebook declined to comment on Friday on the subject of hate speech or on what steps had been taken.' It turns out that Microsoft is the digital advertising provider for Facebook serving up ads for companies such as NetFlix, T-Mobile, Sprint, Verizon and Coca Cola. But for now, the Microsoft-served ads for all Facebook group home pages (even those complying with Facebook's Terms of Use) appear to have been taken off the site. For its part, NetFlix told me to address any concerns about its own ad placement along obscene speech with Facebook. T-Mobile said they would look into it."
ok but (Score:5, Insightful)
Well that's too bad. (Score:5, Insightful)
Um (Score:2, Insightful)
This isn't just shooting the messenger. This is shooting the guy that made the uniform that the messenger wears.
Silly (Score:5, Insightful)
Inappropriate overreaction... (Score:5, Insightful)
Canceled NetFlix over this?
You'd think a
Sending them snarky letters as if that was the case is pretty childish...
Netflix is not the problem (Score:5, Insightful)
Free speech (Score:5, Insightful)
That said, I'm kind of curious to see how far this tolerance goes. I think a FaceBook group attacking overly conservative Islamic culture is a perfectly valid and topical political point. Can I have a FaceBook group called "F**k Negros", to attack the inner-city black youth culture that fills the city I live in with violence? Can I have a "F**k GWB" group to attack the dumbass president who is screwing things up in the Middle East? Can I have a "F**k the Jews" group attacking the whiny Jews who scream "anti-semitism!" in order to stifle legitimate debate? If so, I have a lot more respect for FaceBook than I used to...
Smells like FUD (Score:5, Insightful)
Ummm... as for the advertising part... (Score:3, Insightful)
Who cares? It means I am less likely to see an ad when I log in to FaceBook. Hooray!
To blame any of MS's ad placement on MS is ridiculous. That they (possibly) took their ads offline because they did not want them associated with a hate site is a good thing - regardless of anyone's view on "Freedom of Speech".
Now that I look (Score:3, Insightful)
Free speech. (Score:5, Insightful)
Should we celebrate? I'm so confused.
Re:Well that's too bad. (Score:3, Insightful)
Why does Slashdot keep posting this crap? (Score:5, Insightful)
That said, "Fuck Islam" is obscene speech, but maybe the site in question has a policy of tolerating obscene speech. It is their choice after all.
Discourse raped by political correctness? (Score:3, Insightful)
Islamic sensibilities are being affected by private non-Muslims exercizing their right to Free Speech? Well, laa dee fucking daa, don't you wish for once they'd get just as offended by suicide bombings, indentured servitude/slavery, personal vendettas, and public beheadings everpresent in their societies.
Why do we as a free society keep rolling over for this particular religious group? Is it because they get angry and blow people up?
Re:Discourse raped by political correctness? (Score:5, Insightful)
My problem with religion starts when its members begin to impose undue burden on non-members (I am looking at you, scientologists, sectarian fundies, and radical Muslims).
Whole Atricle is a Troll! (Score:5, Insightful)
Hate speech is nothing (Score:2, Insightful)
I mean, people act like forming an online community of people who dislike the beliefs of Islam is a crime against humanity. They are just as justified in harboring a dislike of people who believe in Islam as you are in disliking them for their dislike of people who believe in Islam.
At least I don't see any "Fuck Islam" online communities killing innocents and claiming credit for it. They have at least found a nonviolent way of expressing their opinions which is more than I can say for the other extreme.
Also see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfG-FEQedyI&mode=related&search= [youtube.com] and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Upbq9bwBxkA&eurl= [youtube.com]
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Re:Inconsistent naming. (Score:3, Insightful)
Though I am a white person myself, if I were to see a group disparaging white people I would assume it would target self-absorbed suburbanites with their cookie-cutter consumer culture and fleet of SUVs.
Just as there are light colored people who participate in black inner-city youth culture, I'm sure there are dark colored people who participate in the bland suburbanite culture I describe. But I still associate it with white people.
I think what you describe as 'white privilege' might be better described as an inferiority complex on the part of people who use that term. Note that having an inferiority complex in no way implies any actual inferiority.
Re:Silly (Score:5, Insightful)
The group in question simply objected to extremist Islam because they were killing civilians with car bombs and beheading innocents. The group directly confronted what it thought was a politically-correct reluctance to challenge extremist Muslims who wanted to kill Westerners and infidels. In response, lots of pro-Islam groups started to suggest killing Jews and Westerners. Existing Muslim groups (roughly paraphrasing, groups titled "Israel is not a real country, delist it") began to spout extremist threats. Even moderates on those boards refused to disavow terrorism, beheadings, car bombs, crashing airplanes into skyscrapers, killing Jews, and similar violence. The moderates said they were against violence, but you have to understand the kind of threats the Muslims are facing.
Anyone who dug into this would see the Muslim supporters on Facebook tend to be far more extreme and just flat-out crazy than anyone on "Fuck Islam." But it is too politically-sensitive to say this, thereby proving the point of the Fuck Islam groups.
Moderate away, my friends.
Seriously, when is Jeff going to back off? (Score:2, Insightful)
Re:and don't forget the legal department (Score:2, Insightful)
I have the fever of a convert in supporting free speech, peoples rights to exercise it and COMPANIES who choose to support it. I think its high time that we as consumers and users punish firms that choose censorship over freedom of speech. If Facebooks chooses to censor groups--they're free to do so--but I hope any individual who loves free speech chooses to to stop using Facebook.
I think bayimg.com says it best in their FAQ: There is this myth about freedom of speech being a nice comfortable idea, well it's not. It's annoying, appalling and sometimes even dangerous. But the opposite is way worse.