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Russia Tests World's Largest Non-Nuclear Bomb 632

mahesh_gharat writes "Russia has tested the "Father of all bombs," a conventional air-delivered explosive that experts say can only be compared with a nuclear weapon in terms of its destructive power.The device is a fuel-air explosive, commonly known as a vacuum bomb, that spreads a high incendiary vapour cloud over a wide area and then ignites it, creating an ultra-sonic shock wave and searing fireball that destroys everything in its wake."
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Russia Tests World's Largest Non-Nuclear Bomb

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  • Just in time too (Score:5, Interesting)

    by BadAnalogyGuy ( 945258 ) <BadAnalogyGuy@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 12, 2007 @10:15PM (#20582357)
    Now that Putin's dissolved that pesky and meddlesome parliament, his plans for the Russian conquest can proceed apace.

    First up: Ukraine! Ukraine is weak.
  • Ohhh, shiny (Score:4, Interesting)

    by The Bungi ( 221687 ) * <thebungi@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 12, 2007 @10:23PM (#20582439) Homepage
    This is nothing more than a large thermobaric device. Very few people call them "vacuum bombs" anymore. It's not the same technology as the US Air Force's "MOAB", which uses semi-conventional explosives. I bet it's also unstable as hell.

    These weapons are nothing more than grandiose show-offs with alleged dubious psychological effects. They're not going to launch one of these on an ICBM any time soon, unless Russia started using Antonovs as ICBMs while I was on vacation.

    This is the military equivalent of having a nuclear warhead that has to be set off with a match. Flashy but completely useless.

  • by chebucto ( 992517 ) on Wednesday September 12, 2007 @10:26PM (#20582467) Homepage
    If the Father of all Bombs is only 44t, it's dwarfed by the Halifax Explosion. Admittadly, the Halifax Explosion was an explosion of a munitions ship, not a single bomb, but it's far closer to a nuclear explosion than that firecracker the Russkies set off. If you trust Wikipedia [wikipedia.org], the explosion set off 2.9kt of explosives, and consisted of:
    • 223,188 kilograms benzol
    • 56,301 kilograms of nitrocellulose (guncotton)
    • 1,602,519 kilograms of wet picric acid
    • 544,311 kilograms of dry picric acid (highly explosive, and extremely sensitive to shock, heat and friction), and
    • 226,797 kilograms of TNT
    The Explosion leveled [wikipedia.org] Halifax, and caused over 10,000 casualties.
  • Re:Who's your daddy? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by Harmonious Botch ( 921977 ) * on Wednesday September 12, 2007 @10:26PM (#20582469) Homepage Journal
    Yes, environmentally friendly in this case means no readiation. So they can come in and rebuild as soon as it cools. With a Russian economy that is growing at 7-8% per year, they are capable of big rebuilding projects, so this is a rather useful weapon.
  • Mostly useful (Score:3, Interesting)

    by javacowboy ( 222023 ) on Wednesday September 12, 2007 @10:26PM (#20582479)
    Has it ever occurred to you that Russia could be using these bombs to:

    a) Sell to other countries.
    b) Act as a counter-balance to U.S. global hegemony.

    No, of course you haven't.

    As for Russia being a superpower, they're getting closer to that status everyday, now that they actually have a competent leader.
  • Re:INVADE! (Score:4, Interesting)

    by religious freak ( 1005821 ) on Wednesday September 12, 2007 @10:33PM (#20582543)
    Russia refers to their inanimate objects as masculine, the US feminine, and Germany as "it". It has always been such, for whatever reason.
  • by SuperBanana ( 662181 ) on Wednesday September 12, 2007 @10:45PM (#20582667)

    preads a high incendiary vapour cloud over a wide area and then ignites it, creating an ultra-sonic shock wave and searing fireball that destroys everything in its wake.

    Here's a slightly more accurate description of what it does....to people.

    • People unlucky enough to be within the actual fuel-air mixture area are set on fire, both internally (lungs- they breathe in the fuel/air mixture) and externally (the infrared radiation immediately ignites their clothing, hair, and skin) while suffocating. That's pretty much the most painful way to die, hands down, that I can think of.
    • Anyone within the shockwave and following vacuum is liable to either be thrown against other objects or be crushed by them, or structures that collapse. This is the greatest hope you have, as it is the quickest potential way to die.
    • Anyone unfortunate enough to not be burned alive or crushed, will suffer from the pain of blown eardrums and collapsed or burst lungs, while simultaneously suffocating because all the air around them is devoid of oxygen; the fire consumed it. Oh, and everything around you that is flammable is burning whatever oxygen might be left.

    They're indiscriminate and quite possibly the cruelest way of killing people save WW1-era chemical attacks.

    The fact that the US and Russia are the only countries to use and develop them should speak volumes.

  • Re:Who's your daddy? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by WindBourne ( 631190 ) on Wednesday September 12, 2007 @10:53PM (#20582733) Journal
    Actually, the russian came out and said that they did in fact have our plans. They were stolen in 75, and according to Russia, did play a part in building their shuttle. But as I pointed out, they made a number of intelligent choices, in particular the changes of the engine placement. I only wish that they had not killed off the energia.
  • A "vacuum bomb"? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by xxxJonBoyxxx ( 565205 ) on Wednesday September 12, 2007 @10:54PM (#20582741)

    The device is a fuel-air explosive, commonly known as a vacuum bomb...


    Nah...that type of thing is more widely known as a fuel-air explosive. Even my old flight sims from the late 1980s called them that. (Even back then the common target was Iran...)

  • Re:Who's your daddy? (Score:5, Interesting)

    by The Bungi ( 221687 ) * <thebungi@gmail.com> on Wednesday September 12, 2007 @11:00PM (#20582805) Homepage

    tu-160 was a bigger version of the B1-A

    The Blackjack might look like the Lancer but it really is a completely different aircraft. Not only is it bigger, it's also heavier, faster and carries a lot more ordnance.

    The Soviet Union designed the TU-160 as a counter weight to the US carrier groups. If WWIII had actually started, those birds were the only thing in their inventory that could effectively counter a Navy task force. In fact their entire strategy for a land war in Europe depended on them interdicting shipping from the US across the GIUK line. The bombers would attack the escort ships with massive conventional cruise missile swarms, or single nuclear ones.

    Bears, Bisons, Backfires and Blackjacks. That's why the Aegis cruisers were designed, and that's why the F-14 Tomcat and the AIM-54 Phoenix were rushed into service.

  • Re:Who's your daddy? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by icegreentea ( 974342 ) on Wednesday September 12, 2007 @11:35PM (#20583069)
    it's also faster. the B-1B's supersonic ability is a joke. mach 1.2, and it's not very useful at all. the B-1A would have been faster (mach 2 i believe), but the whole canceled, brought back, and remissioning kinda screwed that up. should probably be noted that when you designed a supersonic swing wing bomber, there arent too many shapes you can make. just like when you design a giant bomb. or a reusable space launch platform. soviet's did copy/steal a lot of stuff from us (good for them, it was a good use of their money), but not everything they do should be automatically ridiculed for being a 'cheap knockoff'.
  • Money Shot? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by Internet Ronin ( 919897 ) <<internet.ronin> <at> <gmail.com>> on Wednesday September 12, 2007 @11:40PM (#20583099)
    And the money shot is where Russia claims that it doesn't believe this clear weapons-based pissing contest won't result in another arms race...

    I can't tell if that statement is a.) a lie or b.) the result of extreme stupidity.

    Clearly if they saw who was in the White House, or I don't know, maybe studied the past 200 years of American history, they'd have a pretty good idea that this would probably trigger an arms race... How often does America like to have its arsenal out-done by foreigners? How often is that translated into leverage used by politicians to justify further military spending?

    Well, anyways, kudos Russia! Here's to the apocalypse...
  • Afghanistan (Score:2, Interesting)

    by ghoul ( 157158 ) on Thursday September 13, 2007 @12:08AM (#20583337)
    If only the Russians had developed this in the 80s they would have won in Afghanistan(by using these to clear the cave complexes) and Afghanistan would be a nice quite developed nation based on exports of oil, dry fruits and buddhist religious tourism instead of being the cradle of vicious terrorism. A Soviet victory in Afghanistan would have also meant Osama would be just another failed mujahiddin with no following and the Africa bombings, 9/11, Spain bombings and all the other shit would not have happened. Sigh if only communism was still alive the world would be so much a nicer place. Its not communism per se but the balance of power which ensured a relatively peacefull period of time in the late 20th century.
  • Re:Who's your daddy? (Score:1, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 13, 2007 @12:26AM (#20583507)
    I wouldn't be that dismissive of FAE's -- the overpressure from the blast is truly impressive, and what causes most of the damage. The main problem with FAEs is that their yield is really variable -- not as big of a bang on a windy day. Anyway, both are thermobaric weapons, and both are massive overkill for almost any job.
  • by the_womble ( 580291 ) on Thursday September 13, 2007 @02:53AM (#20584453) Homepage Journal

    have problems like in the Netherlands, or Britain; large swaths of people who refuse to assimilate, hold alien values
    1. There are no large swathes of people who refuse to assimilate in Britain, a scattering of small communities is more accurate - look at numbers rather than hysterical tabloid newspapers.
    2. It is a good thing. Most of the people who refuse to assimilate live in areas where the native culture and values can be summed up as having children (or being a confirmed petty criminal) by the age of 13, and then being a dole scrounger for the rest of your life.

      There are lots of Asians in places like Wimbledon (where I grew up): completely assimilated in a generation or two because a decent culture is something worth assimilating with.

    Incidentally, I assume you deliberately not seeing the benefit immigration has brought to Britain. A far more vibrant culture (things like books and music), "alien" values like discipline and hard work (Have you ever met an Asian chav or dole scrounger?), and even better food.

    and seek to destroy the nation from within.
    Do you know that there are treatments available for paranoia?

    Have you ever seen a 70 year old copy of the Daily Mail (British tabloid newspaper)? At that point they were saying that the Jews would over-run the country and impose their alien values etc. Now its Muslims/Asians. Apart from the irony, the pattern is pretty obvious.

    Personally I think mindless xenophobes should be deported (perhaps we would bribe some poor country to take them?) and replaced with decent people from elsewhere.

  • Re:Who's your daddy? (Score:2, Interesting)

    by tryfan ( 235825 ) on Thursday September 13, 2007 @03:12AM (#20584549)
    Do we like it or not the cold war is back and sabre rattling is in full swing.
    Sadly, you're right. I's never been gone, though - just lying low for a while.

    BBC exorcising with extreme prejudice any footage and any mentioning of Russian
    fire fighter planes during the Greek fires this summer

    Do you have any more info on this?
  • by bentcd ( 690786 ) <bcd@pvv.org> on Thursday September 13, 2007 @04:58AM (#20584985) Homepage

    Strategic bombers did attack ships. The problem was they can't hit them!
    As far as I understand, this was an important part of the motivation behind the development of the Norden bomb sight at the time.
  • Re:Who's your daddy? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by arivanov ( 12034 ) on Thursday September 13, 2007 @05:00AM (#20584991) Homepage
    Personal observations. All photos which showed any of the Be200ES, 6 or so Mi26, 2 Mi 8 or 5 Ka32 which have been there since the beginning of the summer lived at most 15 minutes on the site. After that the photo sequence for "fires in Greece" was changed with the offending photos being excorsized. Further to this, despite being the second largest firefighting fleet in operation (after Greece own aging Canadairs), they got 0 mention in all articles after this one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6917002.stm [bbc.co.uk].

    That is besides the fact that the plane shown in this one was in Bulgaria (which also contained its wildfires) and went to Serbia, not to Greece. Serbia, surprise, surprise managed to contain its fires. Actually not surprising considering that compared to this monster any other firefighting kit out there is a child's toy. Same as with the bomb actually - from the "mine is bigger" series.

    As far as the fires this summer - just search the web (and gootube). It is full of pictures and videos.
  • by kahei ( 466208 ) on Thursday September 13, 2007 @05:23AM (#20585073) Homepage


    Well, Chicago *was* levelled by the Great Fire about a century ago. It's also far, far nicer than NY with (as the OP claimed about Halifax) big city facilities and a small-town feel. Interestingly, it's also a city on a major transport bottleneck (rails from the midwest / ships on the great lakes) which couldn't be abandoned after the disaster.

    I guess the moral of this is, if you want a big city that's actually a nice place rather than a big pile of people in boxes, have it blown up a century ago.

  • Re:Who's your daddy? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by jridley ( 9305 ) on Thursday September 13, 2007 @09:05AM (#20586373)
    There actually was a proposal back in the 50s to build a nuclear ramjet powered high speed unmanned multiple warhead delivery system. It got through a few rounds of discussion, but then someone said "Well, where does it go after it drops its last nuke?" One of the scientists said "Just have it zig-zag around the enemy's country as long as it can fly; it's cranking out enough radiation to kill everything it flies over." Then someone realized that it would have to fly over some allied countries to get to enemy countries, and they finally realized that maybe this wasn't a good idea.

    (yes, I know a joke when I see one).
  • by BlueShirt ( 919167 ) on Thursday September 13, 2007 @09:19AM (#20586553)

    I had contact in university back in the 70's in Canada with a witness to the use of fuel-air bombs. He was my friend's locker partner (yes, enrollment was heavy back then). He had come from Vietnam after the war. He told me about witnessing the effects of a "CBU" bomb. He claimed that all people and animals in a 10 kilometer radius were dead. People who died still had cigarettes in their mouths. The weapons carried by the dead were in pristine condition.

    I didn't think about this again until I read a news report years later about the U.S. use of fuel-air bombs in Vietnam that was released under a Jimmy Carter initiative. The news report claimed a 3 kilometer radius.

    By the way, my friend (still is) was a Vietnam vet who left the States because he couldn't stand the craziness of the war and the politics. I still find it amazing that he was randomly assigned to share a locker with Tan Lee.

    Both were only interested in women, math, physics and a safer, better world.

    I just needed to share this. I can't really say why.

  • by Baldrson ( 78598 ) * on Thursday September 13, 2007 @12:39PM (#20590007) Homepage Journal
    Wouldn't it be ironic if Iran were prevented from developing nuclear weapons only to find that they then developed fuel air bombs using a resource that they had in far more abundant supply than uranium? Moreover, wouldn't it be ironic if the ubiquitous availability of fuel in civilization enabled terrorists, gangs, etc. to bring down civilization?

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