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OS X Operating Systems Businesses Apple

Leopard Claims Half the Japanese OS Market In October 256

hoagiecat writes "Is Apple like all those bands who claim to be "huge in Japan"? Leopard accounted for 53 percent of boxed operating systems sold in Japan in October — even though it was only on sale for the last six days of the month. 'The software went on sale worldwide on Oct. 26 with sales kicking off at 6 p.m. local time in each country. Users in New Zealand and Australia got their hands on Leopard first, but Tokyo saw the first launch at an Apple retail store. About 200 people lined up in light rain to buy the software at Apple's store in the ritzy Ginza district of Tokyo. Lines also formed at other Apple stores across the country and at major electronics retailers, where special events were held to mark the start of sales. Combined with other sales of other operating systems including Tiger, Apple had an overall 60.7 percent share of the market in October -- that's a big jump from the 15.5 percent share it had in September, which was itself the highest share Apple had managed to get so far in 2007. '"
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Leopard Claims Half the Japanese OS Market In October

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  • Re:In Japan... (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @06:46PM (#21356021)
    In Japan, yes. Stupid, check your facts before posting.
  • Re:In Japan... (Score:5, Informative)

    by jrumney ( 197329 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @07:05PM (#21356289)

    Nokia published some figures for EDGE vs 3G chips a while back, but I can't find them now. At idle, 3G uses slightly less power than GSM/EDGE. On voice calls, 3G uses roughly double the power. For data, 3G uses about a quarter of the power for the same data throughput.

    The biggest drain for 3G phones is that they have to keep the GSM radio polling so they can fall back without going off air for a period when they lose the 3G signal. In Japan where there is no GSM network, you don't have that inefficiency to worry about.

  • by SeaFox ( 739806 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @07:20PM (#21356453)

    Because seriously, there's a reason for OS X users to upgrade-- and little to none for XP users to do so.

    Leopard does feature better Japanese support. See Apple's "300 features" page here [apple.com] and here [apple.com]. I'm not saying that makes the upgrade worth it necessarily. But it does add additional incentive for Japanese users.
  • Re:In Japan... (Score:2, Informative)

    by McFadden ( 809368 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @07:31PM (#21356573)

    In Japan, yes. Stupid, check your facts before posting.
    Pot, kettle, err... Japan has plenty of people still using their legacy 2G phones. Your main problem would be finding an Edge network, since Japan uses different standards to most other countries.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @07:31PM (#21356581)
    Informative/insightful gives karma, funny doesn't.
  • Re:Informative!? (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @07:49PM (#21356773)
    Informative gives karma, but funny doesn't.
  • Re:In Japan... (Score:5, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @07:59PM (#21356903)

    Pot, kettle, err... Japan has plenty of people still using their legacy 2G phones. Your main problem would be finding an Edge network, since Japan uses different standards to most other countries.

    How much do you know about the Japanese mobile phone market?
    Do you live in Japan?
    Do you speak and/or read Japanese?
    Do you have an account with a Japanese mobile phone provider?

    There is no EDGE in Japan, nor is there GPRS or even GSM.

    Japan has 3G (UMTS/W-CMDA), CDMA (different frequencies than North America, so most North American phones CDMA phones won't roam in Japan, and no EV-DO yet), and local systems (PDC and PHS).

    Yes, the latter are pre-3G systems, but to refer to them as 2G is somewhat misleading since in the context under discussion 2G means GSM/GPRS/EDGE.

    The iPhone is an GSM/GPRS/EDGE device with 850/900/1800/1900. There is no GSM/GPRS/EDGE in Japan on any band. An iPhone will not roam in Japan.

    The only non-Japanese phones that will roam in Japan are 3G phones with UMTS 2100, and some CDMA phones from carriers outside of North America.
  • Re:1/2 the market??? (Score:3, Informative)

    by jamar0303 ( 896820 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @08:10PM (#21357017)
    OSx86- You don't have to pirate it; you can buy an install disc and patch that. I've seen Japanese blogs popping up every so often talking about how they got Mac OS X on their laptops (one mentioned how liberating it was to have -essentially- a Mac with 8 hours of battery life- the computer in question was a Panasonic T5).
  • by megaduck ( 250895 ) <dvarvel AT hotmail DOT com> on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @08:22PM (#21357133) Journal

    Leopard does feature better Japanese support.
    This is like saying that the sun is brighter than the moon. OS X's Japanese support is nothing short of spectacular. All IMEs and alternate interface languages are included on the DVD (I can't remember if they're installed by default). Hell, it's even got an IME for Ainu. EVERYTHING is unicode, and all applications render Japanese characters correctly. Even mail. Leopard adds three different kinds of built-in Japanese dictionaries, including a pretty handy Japanese-English dictionary. As an added bonus, the fonts are legible and don't look like ass.

    Personally, I need a computing environment that supports both Japanese and English seamlessly. Leopard fits the bill nicer than anything else I've ever used, including Vista (which I have to admit is pretty good).

  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @08:43PM (#21357289)
    That's no longer true [wikipedia.org] with Vista.
  • Re:In Japan... (Score:2, Informative)

    by DJCacophony ( 832334 ) <v0dka@noSpam.myg0t.com> on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @08:46PM (#21357325) Homepage
    That's odd, my iPhone works great as a phone

    In Japan? NO
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @09:39PM (#21357945)
    http://www.phrank.com/sh/season2/204-wah.html [phrank.com]

    Mmmm, sushi dog ...
  • Deal-breaking bug (Score:5, Informative)

    by Bueller_007 ( 535588 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @09:52PM (#21358053)
    The main reason I haven't upgraded yet is that there is, at present, a significant bug in Kotoeri (the Japanese IME) for Leopard. If you type the word "hatake" (which means "field") and scroll through the list of potential kanji, and you get to the "display more" option, the entire IME freezes and is impossible to recover. The same thing happens with "hisashi", and I'm sure a number of other words as well.

    There are videos of this floating around YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1pVOJL41x0 [youtube.com]), and I checked it out myself at the local Apple store. Total IME lock-up, and it uses up 100% of your processor time.

    Other than that glaring bug, Leopard is easily the most friendly Japanese OS out there, and it now has a big-name Japanese dictonary & thesaurus, as well as J-E and E-J dictionaries built right in.

    Here's hoping Apple gets their shit sorted out for the .1 release.
  • by zioncat ( 632849 ) on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @10:03PM (#21358175)
    According to BCN [yahoo.com], boxed OS sales doubled in October.

    Microsoft and Apple's market shares in Japan on typical month is around 8 to 2. Microsoft jumped to 91.2% share when Vista came out and Apple had 51.2% share when Tiger came out. Apple just had 65.2% market share month with Leopard, that is nearly a 15% jump compared to the last OS update.
  • Re:Actual Usage (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday November 14, 2007 @11:48PM (#21359159)
    edge has lower latency then EVDO, so, for small things like webpages, EDGE can sometimes be faster.
    EVDO is faster for large downloads, etc, though.
  • Re:In Japan... (Score:4, Informative)

    by DDLKermit007 ( 911046 ) on Thursday November 15, 2007 @05:13AM (#21361257)
    Ummm...k...please check your facts before posting ummm k? Even if it WAS 3G he would have bought it in the in the US to begin with, and it would have NOT worked on any provider's 3G network in Japan. US 3G =/= ROW 3G. US is the only country that uses a different frequency than the rest of the world. Not to mention if you knew jack all about cellphones you may know why Apple chose to hold off on 3G. The radios are massive (would almost double the thickness of the iPhone), and a big battery hog even in standby (why I rarely turn on the 3G radio in my Nokia N95 when out of the country). The new models which will be out in 2008 (iPhone 2.0 anyone?) will allow for the new iPhone to be just as thin, and are better about battery consumption, but considerably worse than 2/2.5G. Not to mention the iPhone works just fine in Japan. Softbank utilizes the regular GSM network. It's not DoCoMo type coverage, but it's sufficient, and works. The DoCoMo Foma phones are far more interesting to me than the iPhone imo though. I woulda kept mine this past summer when I took a month long R&R/Study session, but my phone wouldn't work in the US if I did.

    Gota love the usual diply AC, and the mod who gave him informative.
  • Re:In Japan... (Score:1, Informative)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 15, 2007 @01:21PM (#21366353)
    Regardless of ..
    .. how much you know about the Japanese mobile market
    .. if you live in Japan
    .. if speak or/and read Japanese
    .. or have an local account

    It is pure ignorant lie to say there is no GSM in Japan. It may not be the preferred service or what any locals use, but GSM will roam just fine in most (all?) tourist areas. For you to know that you need to be an ignorant tourist that went to Japan with your trusty GSM never noticed that it stopped working once.

    -anon,
    happily roaming the world with GSM since '98

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