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Your Ex-CoWorkers Will Kill Facebook 267

Random BedHead Ed writes "Cory Doctorow writes about the downside of social networking on the Information Week site, with a focus on Facebook. While he starts with some minor but insightful quibbles, he quickly moves to a critique of the core of social networking: 'Imagine how creepy it would be to wander into a co-worker's cubicle and discover the wall covered with tiny photos of everyone in the office, ranked by 'friend' and 'foe,' with the top eight friends elevated to a small shrine decorated with Post-It roses and hearts.' Do you really want to add your boss and coworkers to your friends list? (And more to the point, do you really have a choice?)"
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Your Ex-CoWorkers Will Kill Facebook

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  • by ShieldW0lf ( 601553 ) on Thursday November 29, 2007 @02:53PM (#21521765) Journal
    Facebook has already got this figured out... they're testing a new feature that lets you create alternate personalities to keep your various personalities away from each other...

    Schizophrenia is a perfectly reasonable response to modern society, if you've accepted that you can't change it and you want to live at any cost, I suppose...
  • by Trillan ( 597339 ) on Thursday November 29, 2007 @02:54PM (#21521801) Homepage Journal
    I can't imagine why, but I don't seem to care what my coworkers think, what my boss thinks, or what my ex-coworkers think. Perhaps that's why I was willing to add them.

    I do recognize that some people have the kind of boss that demand to be added to my profile. I'd simply have ignored him. If I was really pushed, I'd either let him fire me (fun times ahead!) or give him access to the limited profile.

    Again, though, my boss isn't an ankle-dragging technical cretin.
  • by solar_blitz ( 1088029 ) on Thursday November 29, 2007 @02:56PM (#21521835)
    I use LinkedIn for professional networking, and I use Facebook for personal networking. If I know a guy from my work I like well enough to be considered a buddy, I'll add him/her to Facebook. If I know a person on Facebook to be very good at what they do, I'll add them to LinkedIn. It's that simple. It's Structuralism, man - just maintain separate spaces and let them overlap on exceptions only. I'm not going to add everybody I meet at a Conference to facebook, I'll add them to LinkedIn.

    I'm amazed there are people who don't do this.
  • by CFTM ( 513264 ) on Thursday November 29, 2007 @02:56PM (#21521849)
    I never maintained separate identities but I was always aware that anything I posted online could be found by any one looking for it; if I don't want something to be "public domain" I don't put it online, doesn't matter how 'secure' the data is.
  • in the real world... (Score:4, Interesting)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday November 29, 2007 @03:06PM (#21521987)
    The problem with social networking sites like Facebook, Myspace; et all, is not in regards to their intended use. Rather, it is in the fact that often times in our "new" professional working environment, we have the view that being professional, is the same as being social. So, as a manager, my employees actually feel hurt when I deny them access to my private, closed access Myspace page. When asked I reply with "company policy, sorry" but the reality is, the old rules of there being a division between work and home is dead. If I try to separate my personal life from my professional life, my employees feel an emotional detachment from me, which hinders professional development. However, if I were to include them into my social networking, they would quickly confuse my personal choices with their professional behavior. For example my peers have received feedback during coaching conversations to employees "how can you try to coach me on appropriate topics of conversation while at work when last night your status was 'i need a blunt and some cock tonight'". Details aside, yes it is the case that the difference is at work vs not at work, but people confuse that happens in our personal lives with what happens in our professional lives. My father worked at IBM for nearly 40 years, and the rules he lived by in the office were the complete and total opposite to what I experience at another Fortune 500 company. It is unfortunate that my 17-25 year old employees simply do not see the difference between work and play. More worrisome is my 25-40 year old peers who cave to the pressures to involve the employees in their social networking sites, and have serious professional consequences when something goes awry, or someone decides to create drama. A possible solution posed by some companies is to create internal professional networking sites. Managed by company employees and governed by existing policy, these sites work to enable managers to have professional relationships with employees, while maintaining work-life balance. However, Myspace is compelling, as is sex, and lurid details about interesting people's lives (or uninteresting lives as the case may be). Simply stated, bad bosses use Myspace as a way to monitor or snoop on employees personal lives. As such, everyone, Managers and Employees alike should view it with a healthy dose of skepticism and distrust.
  • What is Facebook? (Score:3, Interesting)

    by zappepcs ( 820751 ) on Thursday November 29, 2007 @03:08PM (#21522021) Journal
    Seriously? I thought real people grew out of social networking when they got out of college...

    Here were are at the obvious end conclusion. Social networking sites are not bad just for children, they are bad, period. Diary books normally come with a lock and key, social network sites come with an invitation for you to share your personal diary with the rest of the world, whether the rest of the world has any desire to read it or not. Social networking is to the Internet what reality tv is to video based entertainment. If we could get the pages judged by American Idol judges, perhaps it would be a bit better, but as long as bright neon spandex clothing continues to be sold in XXXL sizes, social networking sites will continue to plague society.

    I personally think it is a bonus feature for my next job interview that I don't have a social networking account.
  • Re:uh, dont use it? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by QuantumFTL ( 197300 ) on Thursday November 29, 2007 @03:18PM (#21522199)
    I agree that if one is concerned about a service, they should consider not using it. But for me, not only has Facebook allowed me to keep in touch with friends and family, it's done something greater - it's how I found the love of my life.

    My Fiancee and I went to the same high school but were in different grades. Despite being in a musical together, we only talked on perhaps two occasions. One day she wondered what I had been up to (people at my old high school still talked about me after I left due to my NASA work) and sent me a message. Less than a week later, I visited her at her school and discovered someone absolutely amazing.

    So, despite all I might disagree with, I owe much of my current happiness to both NASA and Facebook. May they both live long and prosper :)
  • by myvirtualid ( 851756 ) <pwwnow@ g m ail.com> on Thursday November 29, 2007 @03:28PM (#21522349) Journal

    maintain... separate online identities for Work and Recreation

    You'll notice from my /. nickname that I did this...

    ...and now sort of regret it, now that I'm consulting and wish I could tie together the various sites at which I lurk, as part of an effort at building a coherent brand...

    ...something which I would surely regret 5 years from now, when I move on to project X.

    Wanna know what's really funny? I chose "myvirtualid" as a quasi-ironic meaningless handle and decided to use it as a throwaway at all the sites I "really didn't care about", the sites I figured would generate the most spam, etc.

    Then, when I got tired of the spam, I would tank myvirtualid and move on....

    Except it didn't work out that way - over time, the one email ID that got the least spam was myvirtualid, and the sites that I've maintained the {l|str}ongest association with are those sites where myvirtualid is myHandleOfChoice.

    And the only reason I don't get more spam at pwwnow@TheGreat2GBSearchEngineEmailPalace.com is decent spam filtering. I won't even mention pww@MyCorporateConsultingIdentity.com, which just shows how bad the spam filtering is in Evolution (after months of training).

    Let's face it: Identity is fluid. Friendships are fluid. And our understanding of them is fluid as well, at least from the perspective of different generations.

    There was a good story reprinted in the Gardner Dozois annual a few years ago about a furture virtual world where identity and skins were completely user selectable, and where, after a few years or decades in one place and one skin, it was socially acceptable to "burn down" one's "house" and move on, no forwarding address.

    And all that prevented anyone from following and learning the new ID or new location was the simple desire to one day move along one's self. And that was enough.

    Let's face it. As wise as the Red Caped Ballooning Blogger may be, none of us really yet understands the implications of the new networking. It's far more pervasive and far more sinister and far more powerful and far more enabling than we yet realize.

    And generation ++(++(++(++(++(++X))))) will work within it with an ease lost on them's of us still around trying to puzzle it all out.

    Prognosticate all you will, Jack, you don't know jack 'bout what's next.

  • by Fred Ferrigno ( 122319 ) on Thursday November 29, 2007 @03:58PM (#21522815)
    Why shouldn't you be able to have ex co-workers on your "friends" list? Perhaps thinking of them as friends is the problem. They may not be your friends, but they're social contacts. They're people you might want to maintain some level of relationship with, in case your new job doesn't work out, or you're dealing with your old company professionally, or you just want someone to hang out with when you're back in town, or ...

    Someone else posted a satirical story [pttbt.ca] about Facebook implementing multiple profiles for different facets of your life. In the grand tradition of satirical stories that later prove true, [theonion.com] this is a feature that Facebook desperately needs to implement, to secure their own viability going forward if nothing else.
  • by paralaxcreations ( 981218 ) <georgeNO@SPAMparalaxcreations.com> on Thursday November 29, 2007 @04:27PM (#21523241) Homepage
    That's all well and good...but remember the old chart from health class? The one about having sex...when you have sex with your partner, your having sex with their ex-partners' partners...and their ex-partners' partners. In the end, we've all f***ed eachother. It's like 6 degrees of hide the sausage.

    Same thing applies to social networking sites. You give trusted co-worker Roger your screen name, next thing you know you got Bob in accounting sending you a friend request, saying "hey man we work together!" because he's the one exception to Roger's one exception.

    Yeah, you don't have to accept it, but then you're just the rude guy in the office.

    I've gone so far (in the past, I don't care anymore since I freelance) as to have my linked in account, a facebook account, and a separate facebook account just for those i'm working with. When I leave the place of employment, I delete the account.

    Yeah, it was a bit of a hassle...that's why I stopped though. I have 2 social sites and linked in. My clients only get my LinkedIn account (no exceptions), my friends get all three.

    Ironically, in reference to the above Seinfeld quote, my name is George.
  • by RiddleofSteel ( 819662 ) on Thursday November 29, 2007 @05:46PM (#21524359)
    I've already run into this issue with my Xbox360 profile. Several coworkers and I were all on each others friends list to play Gears of War against each other. Then my boss joined us which was fine. Then a month after that I get a friend request from the CEO of the company. At first I thought nothing of it, until the CEO commented on how later I was up on the 360 a few nights ago and how I was 10 minutes late the next day. Now I have two accounts, but what sucks is all my achievements, unlocked content, etc are on the original account. Also I've given up my myspace account(didn't use it much to begin with) because some stalker chick at work kept sending me friend requests and making comments about my profile and pictures. I really don't think this social networking stuff is for the better.
  • Re:Coworkers? (Score:4, Interesting)

    by businessnerd ( 1009815 ) on Thursday November 29, 2007 @06:48PM (#21525287)
    Facebook WAS a college age thing. Then two things happened. First, Facebook opened its doors to anyone. Second, all of those college age Facebook users graduated. And now there is a new problem: Their college social life is not so easy to put behind you when you have Facebook constantly reminding you of that night you got totally wasted and had that embarrassing picture taken of you that you don't want your new boss/co-workers to see (you know, every night of your college career).

    I always abstained from Facebook under the assumption it was a waste of time and just made stalking that much easier. Little did I know that it would be so much more detrimental to users AFTER graduation. I have many friends who ended up becoming teachers and they are having a tough time. One was an idiot and didn't have any access controls on his account at all. His high school students found his page and had a great time making their teacher miserable for all of the drunk pictures and videos and all of the other stuff that makes an authority figure look more like a joke. He learned from his mistake and locked everything down and tried to eliminate his online footprint until his younger brother posted a video on YouTube. Yeah the kids found that one too and he nearly got fired. Another teacher friend has learned from others. She's even taking it a step further. She is urgently asking friends to remove her name tag from all of the pictures of her posted on their accounts, but that is proving difficult. It turns out that even if you lock down your own account, there is still the matter of your friends' accounts that have all kinds of references to you, especially pictures. It is nearly impossible to remove your internet footprint. To this end, I don't see why those with careers bother with it since it has become such a liability now. Office politics are bad enough without merging your social life in the mix. The only way to have a "safe" profile is to keep it completely boring. No goofy pictures, no oddball friends, and absolutely no postings by friends on your wall. This of course defeats the purpose of social networking because no one wants to be friends with a boring loser.

    I guess the old adage is still holds true: The only way to win is to not play at all.
  • by Feanturi ( 99866 ) on Thursday November 29, 2007 @07:32PM (#21525853)
    Actually, I signed up on Facebook precisely because of an ex-coworker. We had a friendship at work, and then she quit, with a parting email to various work friends to look her up on Facebook to keep in touch. So now I'm on Facebook, and I really don't like it, because yeah, now I've gone tons of current co-workers on my friends list, one of which I really came to dislike after adding him. And sometimes I wonder about some of the ones not on my friends list, who have some reason to dislike me, what might they possibly post about me there for the others to see?

    Besides that, it's also like some surreal real-people version of The Sims, with regards to the social interaction. "So-and-so updated their mood and noticed you haven't updated yours in awhile". Aww shit, more stuff for me to go click on. Or So-and-so poked me, so I better poke them back or they'll think I don't care for them anymore. Or the worst things, those stupid chain-letter spams that start with "I really hope I get this back!". I don't really feel that I should be obligated to forward *anything*, particularly a chain letter than claims I'm going to get all kinds of bad luck if I don't send it on, or that I'm a bad friend if I'm too busy to do it. Yeah I already get that with email, but isn't that enough?

    And it's just weird to click checkboxes to interact with people. Recruiting them as pirates or ninjas seemed fun at first. But apparently I could also fling poo at them if I wanted to. WTF?
  • Groups... (Score:3, Interesting)

    by PhotoGuy ( 189467 ) on Friday November 30, 2007 @05:40AM (#21530105) Homepage
    I wish Facebook would add a feature that allowed grouping your friends into categories (coworkers, friends, etc.) for your own organization purposes. I used to have a bunch of former co-workers, and distant former friends on my friends list. But I live far from most of them now, never come in contact with them, and probably won't, except in rare cases. So I don't need to know that Jane painted her living room and is waiting for the hottub to be installed. It got ridiculous all the status updates for people that I really didn't interact with.

    So I pruned my list down to mainly people I am actively friends with, or with whom I keep some lines of communication open.

    It'd be nice to be able to put users into categories with different features; I don't want to see status updates for former co-workers, and so forth.

    (And on a side note, please kill Funwall. :) It's the new equivalent of mass-mailings of cutsie-pie stuff.)

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