NetBSD 4.0 Has Been Released

ci4 writes to tell us that NetBSD 4.0 has been released and has been dedicated to the memory of Jun-Ichiro "itojun" Hagino. "Itojun was a member of the KAME project, which provided IPv6 and IPsec support; he was also a member of the NetBSD core team (the technical management for the project), and one of the Security Officers. Due to Itojun's efforts, NetBSD was the first open source operating system with a production ready IPv6 networking stack, which was included in the base system before many people knew what IPv6 was. We are grateful to have known and worked with Itojun, and we know that he will be missed. This release is therefore dedicated, with thanks, to his memory."

Holy crap, they've removed Sendmail...

[Saint Aardvark]

...and replaced it with Postfix. Sendmail's still available from pkgsrc, but it's no longer the default. Man, never thought I'd see the day when one of the BSDs finally did this...

Re:Holy crap, they've removed Sendmail...

[Anonymous Coward]

...and replaced it with Postfix. Sendmail's still available from pkgsrc, but it's no longer the default. Man, never thought I'd see the day when one of the BSDs finally did this...

As a reference, sendmail is still good. But given the lack of desire of the maintainers of sendmail to be more proactive in anti-spam and further development of SMTP, many people have switched to Postfix. I view this as a highly progressive move.

I switched my systems to postfix last year. Love it. Even though I mastered the sendmail.cf/mc so my understanding of sendmail, above average even in complex routing and multiple domains/rewriting. I am not looking back, postini is superior.

Leave it to where the intelligence is, BSD is far from dead because of contributions that "itojun" Hagino and others make. It is why other OSes follow and do not lead.

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Re:Holy Shit.

[Anonymous Coward]

http://www.itojun.org/resume.html [itojun.org] ... too many activies to summarize from my limited head.

Re:1. I've used Postfix on NetBSD since 2000 or so

[morgan_greywolf]

1. Good for you. I'm talking about what comes installed by default, not what you can install yourself after the fact. And, yes, it matters, because people, even experienced, seasoned, veteran administrators are likely to use what's installed by default rather than install something extra manually. It's usually the path of least resistance.

2. I'm sorry you don't like my posts. I tend to make a lot of jokes with heavy, sarcastic humor and it's one of those things that either people love or they hate. Most of my funny posts get moderated either up to +5, Funny, or down to -1, Troll or Flamebait. One man's humour is another man's troll. Go figure. *shrug* On my more serious posts, I say exactly what I think. You don't like it? Disagree with me? Okay, I don't care. I think it's more important to say you what you really think than it is to say something that's popular and/or likely to be modded up.

Re:Major Changes Between 3.0 and 4.0

[Anonymous Coward]

Am I the only one that read this and thought, "hmmm, should have just said, 'imported OpenBSD.' Since really, a huge number of the items are from OpenBSD." It really caught me off guard that so much of what is listed here is just imported from OpenBSD, did an OpenBSD developer write the list, and just downplay the in-NetBSD developed stuff? And if you're going to import OpenBSD stuff, why not get a recent PF version, 3.7 is what, two releases a year, we're on 4.2 now, so two and a half years old. A two and a half year old version of PF? I mean, every release should see an update to PF to keep it on par with OpenBSD's version.

Re:Yes!

[mi]

I'd agree with Linux, but the Solaris code is often very, very clean.

Solaris kernel may be clean. Solaris' user-space programs, however, are a disaster. For example, even in the most-modern Solaris 10:

• awk could still complain about "input line too long"
• vi which would allow multiple editing sessions of the same file and, also, complain about "screen too wide"
• the castrated /bin/sh (no wonder, Sun's own scripts use /bin/ksh!)
• find, which does not have the -print0
• make that can't parallelize jobs
• no out-of-the-box locate
• ftp-client has no line-history/editing
• etc., etc., etc.

Maybe, all of these utilities have a really clean source, of course. Cleanliness is not sufficient, however — it is merely required. The common solution to the above-listed problems is to install GNU versions of the utilities — which brings in all that ugly-but-functional code we are complaining about... It is also done differently by every sysadmin, so portable scripts can't rely on it...

If you want out-of-the-box functionality and clean source code, you want a BSD operating system. Be that Net, Open, Free, or DragonFlyBSD. Or even MacOS.