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What is Fair Use in the Digital Age? 199

Hugh Pickens writes "General counsel for NBC Rick Cotton and Tim Wu, professor at Columbia Law school, continue their debate about copyright issues and technology on Saul Hansell's blog at the New York Times discussing Fair Use of commercial music and video as the raw materials for new creations. Cotton says that content protection on the broadband internet is really not a debate about fair use The fact that users can 'take three or four movies and splice together their favorite action scenes and post them online does not mean that these uses are fair. There needs to be something more — something that truly injects some degree of original contribution from the maker other than just the assembly of unchanged copies of different copyrighted works.' Wu's position is that 'it is time to recognize a simpler principle for fair use: work that adds to the value of the original, as opposed to substituting for the original, is fair use. This simple concept would bring much clarity to the problems of secondary authorship on the web.' This is a continuation of the previous discussion on copy protection."
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What is Fair Use in the Digital Age?

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  • by timmarhy ( 659436 ) on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @07:32PM (#22073344)
    If i've purchased a song, i should be able to use it anywhere,on anything and at anytime of my choosing for personal use, and i should be able to exchange my license to use this music with anyone else for a swap or money exactly like any other 2nd hand market.
  • by timmarhy ( 659436 ) on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @07:35PM (#22073406)
    oh and sampling for parody or amature non profit use should be allowed as well.
  • Fair use (Score:3, Insightful)

    by adona1 ( 1078711 ) on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @07:45PM (#22073510)
    My personal view on fair use is much the same as my view on downloading - fine if you do it for yourself or with no intention of profiting from it, but bad if you attempt to sell it, whether through burnt DVDs in the market or using clips from films/pictures/music to bring people to your revenue generating website, and so on.

    It's a yin and yang - downloading or fiddling around with videos or music may cost some sales, but it can also generate new fans, who will purchase when they otherwise wouldn't. So what if splicing 3 or 4 clips together doesn't have much artistic merit? That's a purely subjective call, and in this age, it seems that computer software is the popular artistic tool of choice.
  • Not just the RIAA (Score:4, Insightful)

    by EmbeddedJanitor ( 597831 ) on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @07:53PM (#22073614)
    The (ab)user side are also muddying the water. Consider the mashup DJs that release their own "creative works" on CD (which they then expect to have covered by copyright) or the hobbiest mashup artist that releases stuff on youtube etc. Is this fair use of the original material?

    I agree though that the digital age really makes no difference. The real change has been a shift is society's values. Me, me, me!

  • by garcia ( 6573 ) on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @07:54PM (#22073630)
    In addition, now that I've read the article again just because so many parts of it made sense and so many others just pissed me off more:

    Books begat films, character merchandising, giant fan guides, remix videos, fan art and other
    forms of secondary authorship that simply didn't exist 100 years ago.


    100 years ago we didn't have Disney fucking with Copyright then (the Mickey Mouse and Sonny Bono Protection Acts [wikipedia.org] only came about in 1976!) So for us to even bring that shit up in this modern discussion is nothing short of ridiculous.

    Let's face the facts here... Copyright has been extended to an unreasonable point so that nothing will ever enter the Public Domain so if anything is different in the "Digital Age" it's the fact that we're more fucked than ever before.

    Boo.
  • by curunir ( 98273 ) * on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @08:05PM (#22073756) Homepage Journal
    One thing I found interesting about the article is that the entertainment lawyer makes one good point while trying to make a point that is almost the opposite.

    From the article:

    But, as a technical legal matter, fair use is not a "right," a misconception and misstatement frequently made these days.
    While his point is that fair use is more of a privilege than a right, I think there's a much different interpretation of what he's saying that is important to consider.

    He's absolutely correct that fair use isn't a right, it's an exception. But it's an exception to the rights of the copyright holder. And this distinction is important because it underscores how entertainment companies misrepresent copyright. Rather than copyright defining the few excepted uses allowed to people/entities who don't hold the copyright, it actually defines the few rights granted exclusively to the copyright holder.

    And this is an important observation about the intent of copyright. Namely, that anything not explicitly granted to the copyright holder is permissible rather than forbidden. The big content producers would like copyright to be a limited set of things that we (those not producing the content) are allowed to do with their content, which they believe they own. But when defending our rights, it's important to remember that copyright is actually a limited set of things that we're not allowed to do and that content cannot be owned, only protected. And this is the principle that should be applied whenever something falls outside of what is explicitly stated in the Copyright Act...that everything not covered is allowed rather than forbidden.
  • Anime Music Videos are perfect examples of fair use. You can take a speech from a comedy show, mix it with some scenes, and have a hilarious mix entitled "the flying car" [youtube.com]. A much more artistic example is "I must be dreaming" [youtube.com], which not only adds clips, but some special effects as well. Or if you like violence, how about a little Mortal Kombat [youtube.com] ?

    And last, but not least, AMV Hell 3: The Motion Picture [youtube.com] and AMV Hell 4: The last one [youtube.com]. Some of the clips there got me laughing for hours.

    What would be of Entertainment and creativity online if all the music and anime producers sued the AMV makers for copyright infringement? :(
  • by Original Replica ( 908688 ) on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @08:28PM (#22074060) Journal
    My music video of Naruto set to Linkin Park is obviously original!

    The majority of the anime mashup music videos are crap and don't really "inject original contribution" but there are some that are quite well done. [youtube.com] The problem with having a requirement of "something that truly injects some degree of original contribution" is that what qualifies is entirely subjective. What is a subtle but relevant addition to some kid making a video might just be worthless crap to a sixty year old judge. Artistic tastes are to vague to be a part of the law.
  • by langelgjm ( 860756 ) on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @08:28PM (#22074062) Journal

    Sorry to reply again, but this [eff.org] might be of interest:

    5. Is Fair Use a Right or Merely a Defense? Lawyers disagree about the conceptual nature of fair use. Some lawyers claim that fair use is merely a defense to a claim of copyright infringement. Although fair use is often raised as a defense, many lawyers argue that fair use can also be viewed as having a broader scope than this. If fair use is viewed as a limitation on the exclusive rights of copyright holders, fair use can be seen as a scope of positive freedom available to users of copyrighted material. On this view, fair use is the space which the U.S. copyright system recognizes between the rights granted to copyright holders and the rights reserved to the public, where uses of works may or may not be subject to copyright protection. Copyright law gives the decision about whether copyright law applies to a particular use in this space to a Federal Court judge, to decide after weighing up all relevant factors and the underlying policies of copyright law.
  • by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @08:52PM (#22074448)
    I think he just means that fair use is an affirmative defense -- even if it's very obvious, the defendant still has the burden of proof. If it were a right then the initial burden would be on the plaintiff.

    That's facially true, but it raises an important point -- given that in the U.S., parties pay their own court costs, even where the fair use defense is clear (which is rare), lawsuits still have deterrent value if they can be levied at ordinary citizens, because of the inevitable cost of defending the suit. The subtle burden-allocation here is a significant part of the problem, really.
  • by WaltBusterkeys ( 1156557 ) on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @09:01PM (#22074572)
    What about music that's written with the intent that it be used as a backdrop to something else, like a film score? The intended use of that music is to be incorporated into something else that adds a layer of creativity. If you say "any use that adds something to the work is fair use" then film scores effectively lose ALL protection. The original film, for which they are written, wouldn't have to pay royalties because it would be adding something and making "fair use" of it.

    Same for stock photography and stock video providers -- their GOAL is to provide raw material as input into a larger work. They spend a lot of time and money shooting and editing stock. If you claim any use of their work is fair use (it's always incorporated into a larger whole, and often transformed along the way) then stock photographers and videographers can't get paid (all use is fair use--why pay for it) and might just stop producing stock material. It's a huge benefit to illustrators and designers to have stock photography and video available. (As an aside, some stock photographers create really good work [photographersdirect.com])

    How does he address the fact that some people design work with the hopes of being paid by producers who will assemble it into a larger whole, and that producers are glad to have designer's work available?
  • Clarify? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by localman ( 111171 ) on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @09:52PM (#22075234) Homepage
    work that adds to the value of the original, as opposed to substituting for the original

    And who gets to determine what "adds value"? Here's a random example I just came across today that rides the line: the full Steve Jobs Keynote vs. this 60 second recap:

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yz1-cPx0cIk [youtube.com]

    That can both substitute for the original, and yet I think adds value. Not just by being short and informative, but by satirizing and commenting on the effects of 89 minutes of fluff marketing. Is it fair use?

    Cheers.
  • Re:Fair use (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Max Night ( 1221500 ) on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @10:01PM (#22075334)

    No. "Profit" in the legal sense is about material gain. Avoiding costs is not a material gain. If it was, General Motors could claim billions in "profits" by avoiding regulatory fines by not selling cars that violate federal safety regulations. e.g. "We had profits of $27 billion this year by not building and selling 100,000 cardboard Chevy Suburbans!" Sounds ridiculous, right?
    Well. I'd argue that you materially gain - by gaining material. It's not about avoiding costs, it's about actually obtaining something without paying for it. Following your logic, I could steal someone's car and claim that I was "avoiding the cost" of buying one.
  • by WaltBusterkeys ( 1156557 ) on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @11:12PM (#22076038)
    Fair use is not all personal use. Some people argue that taking a sample of a song and using it in another song is fair use. Other people argue that putting videos on Youtube (which is a commercial, profit-making venture) can be fair use. Personal use is ONE part of fair use, but it's not ALL fair use.
  • Re:debate bias? (Score:3, Insightful)

    by TheVelvetFlamebait ( 986083 ) on Wednesday January 16, 2008 @11:26PM (#22076178) Journal
    You're not meant to keep them "in check". The point of a debate is to actually allow the other person to speak, and to engage in discussions about the merits (or otherwise) of those points. Although, based on what I've seen of the /. moderation system, maybe I'm wasting my breath...
  • by ipsi ( 1181557 ) on Thursday January 17, 2008 @01:31AM (#22077090)
    The problem is that with a shovel, once you've sold it, you no longer have it. You have to give up having the shovel for in exchange for having money. But with any form of software, you don't. You could sell it to as many people as you wanted, and they'd all get a copy of the software, and you'd still have your own. Resale can't work without the stringent DRM that's being forced on consumers. I'd much, much rather give up my right to resale and enjoy all the benefits of DRM-free products. Dunno about you.

    I don't really see a way you can have your cake and eat it too. It's the same with people complaining about not being able to resell ebooks. If that was legal, it'd be worse than legalizing filesharing - it'd be legalizing the profiting off illegal distribution of works. This isn't an argument about copyright - assuming you're ok with the idea of having a much smaller copyright time period, this argument still applies, though less so (you could resell it just fine after copyright has expired). If you're against copyright entirely, then we're probably at odds here.

    On the other hand, if you have an idea for how to make this work, without intrusive DRM and without basically making it legal for those people in China selling DVDs on the street, then I'm all ears.

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