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Vista SP1 Release May Be Near 231

Tokonamu sends a note about the release to a private testing group of a new build of Windows Vista SP1, possibly presaging the imminent release of the long-awaited service pack. Speculation about a Feb. 15 release date has been fueled by a report out of Taiwan, according to the article. Microsoft also issued a new build of Windows XP SP3 this week, but it's getting next to no publicity out of Redmond, what with XP being the main competition for Vista and all.
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Vista SP1 Release May Be Near

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  • Well woopdeedoo (Score:2, Insightful)

    by ta bu shi da yu ( 687699 ) * on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:02AM (#22199600) Homepage
    I always wonder why Microsoft gets so much publicity for point version upgrades. I mean, the other day I got an update from Ubuntu. So what?

    If Microsoft have waited this long for a full update, then something is seriously screwed in Redmond. Something is even more screwed with the rest of us for finding the service pack upgrade so fascinating.
  • by SmallFurryCreature ( 593017 ) on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:11AM (#22199632) Journal

    There was a story about the new linux kernel, and that was a point upgrade.

    You also get patches/upgrades from MS outside service packs.

    So this is in a way like a Linux distro that announces a new point release, which ARE reported on slashdot.

    Hate vista or love it. Use it or leave it, but it is a news worthy item when it receives an upgrade. For better or worse this is going to affect a lot of people who read this site.

    Oh and OSX has had nothing but point upgrades since it release back in the dark ages, each one of those point releases has been discussed to death.

    I don't use vista yet, but am a PC gamer so sooner or later I might have to take the plunge, news on Vista therefor intrests me, if this SP1 is really good, it might hasten the move to Vista and make game companies more inclined to make directx10 only games. Or not, but I want to know when I should start to look into pirating Vista (Pay for MS software? What an odd concept.)

  • XP SP3 (Score:2, Insightful)

    by Yvanhoe ( 564877 ) on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:15AM (#22199640) Journal
    Speculations about SP3 breaking XP starts in 3... 2... 1...
  • Re:3 reboots (Score:4, Insightful)

    by badpazzword ( 991691 ) <badpazzword@gmai ... minus physicist> on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:20AM (#22199660)
    Hey! Adding features [computerworld.com] and improving performance [thedailywtf.com] are non trivial tasks, mind you!
  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:30AM (#22199698)
    You say: There was a story about the new linux kernel, and that was a point upgrade.

    It is often worth it. This is because, a point release of linux is a major step forward. They have completely new capabilities for each point release. A major revision would usually be complete re-write.

    You say: So this is in a way like a Linux distro that announces a new point release, which ARE reported on slashdot. ... Oh and OSX has had nothing but point upgrades since it release back in the dark ages, each one of those point releases has been discussed to death.

    Linux and all open source projects, and Macs to a lesser extent, follow a very conservative versioning system. So don't compare service packs that are essentially bug-fixes to major-revisions of linux or macs.
    Eg., 10.4 to 10.5 - Mac OS X became 100% 64-bit (with the same binaries working in 32-bit + PPC system (fat binaries), and so on.
    7.04 to 7.10 - Ubuntu introduced Compiz as standard (like DirectX 9 to 10), and so on.

    Please don't fawn to Microsoft and Windows.
  • by baadger ( 764884 ) on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:31AM (#22199704)
    Despite what has been 'leaked' about Windows 7 I don't think we'll see it until 2010, when support for 2000 and XP has completely dropped (Although promptly after XP SP3 is out we probably going to see a slow fade where MS evaluate whether they are going to port their new apps (like IE8) back to XP anyway).

    By 2010, people using XP will have no real choice but to move on, at which point they'll be looking at the then, hopefully, stable, fast reliable Vista vs the new 'bleeding edge' Windows 7 RTM. What do you think they're gonna choose? ..thats right, Vista.
  • by SirKron ( 112214 ) on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:47AM (#22199748)
    I am running RC1 of SP1 and it has made significant improvements on my x64 laptop. One of the major fixes is the removal of occurances when Vista looks for a domain controller to update user information on a side panel of the window. That fix alone has increased the performance and useability of Vista.

    For those of you looking to install RC1 be warned it takes about 2 hours to install and you must remove it prior to installing SP1.
  • by ta bu shi da yu ( 687699 ) * on Sunday January 27, 2008 @09:56AM (#22199776) Homepage
    Actually, this article isn't about an actual service pack upgrade, this is about speculation about the possibility of a service pack being released by Microsoft.

    All the other stories you mention are actual upgrades.

    If SP1 brings out new features, then I'll take back what I say. But as far as I can tell so far, it's just going to be a bunch of fixes. Incidently, I never saw why point releases for OS X were so special either - at least in terms of news.

    Just my $0.02 - which I should point out is not a troll. Way to go mods of my parent comment.
  • Reality check (Score:4, Insightful)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27, 2008 @10:10AM (#22199850)
    I've never really been a believer in conspiracy theories, but this is getting silly.

    Slashdot, not at least through posting Twitter-blogs, has informed us thoroughly how deep shit MS is in. Nobody wants their products anymore, everybody and their parents (literally) are switching to Mac or Linux (we can't really agree on which, but that doesn't matter). Vista is such a big P.O.S. and sales failure that we suspect it's not really running on any PC at all, people claiming otherwise being astroturfers. And MS are obviously well down the road to bankruptcy.

    But surfing outside our informed group here, websites talk about recent fantastic record results and outlooks for Microsoft, among other things fueled by strong Windows growth. People talk about faster adoption rate and less problems with Vista than XP, over 100 million users, MS being rated as one of the most respected companies, and other shit like that.

    Where are these people living, and where do they get there information from. Aren't they reading Slashdot??

  • by Anonymous Coward on Sunday January 27, 2008 @10:19AM (#22199894)
    >Hate vista or love it. Use it or leave it, but it is a
    >news worthy item when it receives an upgrade. For better
    >or worse this is going to affect a lot of people who read this site.

    You know what the funny/strange part for me was?
    When I read the headline here were the first things in order that
    came to my mind:

    1) It's the first service pack, now folks will be willing to buy it.
    2) I wonder if they managed to screw something up/didn't fix it in
    their service pack i.e. audio vs. network speed?
    3) I wonder if they will force it down people's throats without asking
    the vista users?

    I don't know if you're a microsoft OS user or not, so you might be blind
    to how disturbing the first thought is --- an OS is so crappy you have to
    wait for them to clean up their OS before it's safe to go in the water.
    There have been some clunkers with the Linux kernel (the last one that I remember
    was something like version 2.2 aka the brown paper bag version), but its so rare
    (that was 8 years ago folks) that I have no problem upgrading my kernel as soon
    it's in Debian testing's repository.

    The second point? Well, it *used* to be that a service pack really did fix bugs,
    but based on the rc released a few months ago it looks like Vista's sp1 will be nothing
    more than cosmetic changes, or rather that's my "impression" now of how
    much quality comes out of Redmond.

    The third point? In the past couple of years there have been incidents of Microsoft slipping things
    to be installed without asking the user that have seemed more like "spyware" than "bugfixes".
    The one in particular that I think I'm remembering correctly is windows media player.

    I used to be one of those folks who hated, hated, hated Microsoft for being the evil empire.
    At some point though I realized that Heinlein's razor applies to Microsoft:

    They're not evil. They're just greedy stupid.

    One day I realized that Microsoft is just obsolete and irrelevant to my world. I still read
    the postings here in slashdot, but really for the +5 funny comments on the next blunder
    Microsoft has committed. For entertaining humor, Microsoft is still useful.

    --Johnny wishes you best of luck with Vista
  • Re:Reality check (Score:3, Insightful)

    by DoktorSeven ( 628331 ) on Sunday January 27, 2008 @10:22AM (#22199910) Journal
    Microsoft's just doing what they do best. No, not technology -- marketing. They create their own buzz and news that everything's awesomely great in Microsoftland to convince people who don't look any deeper to find the real truth.

  • by Arrow_Raider ( 1157283 ) on Sunday January 27, 2008 @10:56AM (#22200082)
    If the competition for Vista is XP, there would be some incentive for microsoft to break parts of XP with service pack 3. Perhaps we should approach SP3 with caution.
  • by noidentity ( 188756 ) on Sunday January 27, 2008 @11:11AM (#22200136)

    I was surprised when Microsoft announced that Windows 7 (successor to Vista) will probably be out in about 16 months. Seems like they're stealing their own whimpery thunder re Vista.

    That's a classic Microsoft strategy: announce a release just around the corner, so customers won't buy a competitors product. Looks like they're doing a good job choking the company who made Vista.

  • Re:Reality check (Score:5, Insightful)

    by mabhatter654 ( 561290 ) on Sunday January 27, 2008 @11:53AM (#22200332)
    From a single user perspective Vista is nice. I had to buy a new laptop at work and choose Vista simply because we can't live in the past.

    Vista is a nightmare for IT people though. From the go, Microsoft was lazy about releasing the management tools as anything but Beta because they want to sell companies Server 2008 for the "full experience".... 18 months AFTER Vista is released??? The number of programs broken for an enterprise is a show stopper bug as well, even including Microsoft programs for the first 6 months or so. There is software my company uses that was "certified" for Vista in December! 2007! a full year after Vista was released for corporate use. Microsoft went straight to the consumers with this release, and screwed over corporate users.

    It's not been a PROFESSIONAL roll-out... and the people that read/post to Slashdot are the one that have to make the MS stuff ACTUALLY WORK. We're the ones that have to explain to the bosses with their new shiny Vista Ultimate notebooks their new machine can't run half the companies most important software... the stuff they use to get their precious numbers from. Most Slashdotters have a special hatred of Microsoft because while supporting it's software pays our bills, it's not Professional work... it's grunt work times 10 making up for things Windows should have done right the first time!
  • I was surprised when Microsoft announced that Windows 7 (successor to Vista) will probably be out in about 16 months.

    If Vista was any indication, Microsoft announcing that Windows 7 will be out in 16 months means that delays will push back the Windows 7 release to about 2013, at which point it will have half the initially promised feature set and require at least a 40-core processor to work properly. Meanwhile, the Linux kernel will be at version 2.6.557 and Apple will be making advertisements about people downgrading to Vista and releasing Mac OS X "Serval". Hurd will still be in development.

  • by rueger ( 210566 ) on Sunday January 27, 2008 @01:01PM (#22200730) Homepage
    The vast majority of of people walk in to Staples or Best Buy and buy a computer. That computer includes Vista. They use it.

    They don't "upgrade" to Vista, they don't decide to buy a Mac, they sure don't try out Ubuntu, they use Vista because that's what came on their new laptop.

    Microsoft doesn't need exponential sales of Vista, they don't need the whole world to change overnight. All that they need is to wait as millions of people eventually upgrade their systems. As long as Dell or Best Buy will sell them a laptop for $599 (compared to Apple, whose offerings start at about $1000) that's what people will buy, and Microsoft can watch the adoption continue apace. Widespread use of Vista is pretty much inevitable.

    My PC is still running Windows 2000. Its fine, mostly, except for some apps that actually insist on XP. Still, I have conceded that at some point I will upgrade and have "acquired" a copy of XP from one of the usual sources. I don't need it today, but acknowledge that one day soon I'll take a day or two off and upgrade.

    In fact my first experience with Vista was in the last month [community-media.com], helping a girlfriend set up her new HP laptop. Based on the problems that we ran into I'd be wary of encouraging people to buy Vista yet, but I also accepted that if she was buying a system that's what she would get so I was prepared for a steep learning curve. If anything Vista reminds me a lot of OS X - very pretty but very frustrating if you don't want to do exactly what Redmond or Cupertino want you to do.
  • by blind biker ( 1066130 ) on Sunday January 27, 2008 @01:32PM (#22200902) Journal
    I explained recently to a friend of mine, that Vista's main features are aimed at DRM, doing, that is, the job for the media companies, and not for the user.

    No matter how you spin it, the code that tracks and filters the media streams in Vista, does eat resources. The MP3 playing vs. network performance crap is a consequence.

    That said, I am glad you DIDN'T NOTICE any performance degradation with Vista. However, such degradation is real and it is measurable.

  • by HalAtWork ( 926717 ) on Sunday January 27, 2008 @02:24PM (#22201192)
    People who don't want to cache all that shit in RAM at runtime or load it off the hard disk every time they boot?
  • by Johnno74 ( 252399 ) on Sunday January 27, 2008 @06:07PM (#22202670)
    Congratulations, your friend is now less informed than they were before they talked to you. Before at least they knew they didn't know.

    Have you even used vista? Yes there is a whole lot of extra crap in there, same as any microsoft OS release. Remember when XP came out? You are free to turn it off if you don't want it, or don't accept the performance overhead.

    Myth: There no "code that tracks and filters the media streams in Vista". That is complete bollox. It was started by some asshat at auckland uni who should have known better. If you had done any research on this you'd know how comprehensively his original paper has been debunked. I'm not going to give you any links, because you probably are in denial and wouldn't check them. If you care, find them yourself.

    Fact: The DRM stuff in vista affects capibilities that are new to vista. It doesn't affect anything that was already there in XP. Nothing you already have is crippled. I have been using vista for a year now, and it seriously pissed me off at the start. I turned off a lot of the new vista features, like aero and readyboost. Now I've got used to the changes, I don't mind vista at all, there is some very good new stuff there. And not once have I ever had a problem with any "DRM". Stuff like DVD Decrypter, AnyDVD, BitTorrent, Daemon Tools all work 100%. Truth is I could count on one hand the number of apps that I use that have had compatibility problems. The most serious I can think of is AirSnort.

    Seriously, stop spreading this FUD. It does the whole IT community no good. You are an assclown for perpetuating myths like this to non-it people, and you are showing your ignorance by parroting this stuff on a place like /.
  • However, it really makes no sense to associate QuickTime with IE, in large part because there is no anti-competitive basis for QT being integrated into the OS, and no real downside.

    Huh? What about the technical downsides? Flaws, security holes, performance? Because we all know IE has had hundreds of security issues, and Quicktime has had none, oh, wait... Then again, this is Apple, and Apple can do no wrong.

    If you don't use QT, you can stop updating it and there's no problem. If you don't use IE, you're still in danger of security problems Microsoft built into the design, and applications can invoke the IE plumbing to do things you are not aware of and don't want to happen. QT has none of those problems if you don't choose to use it.

    So if I choose not to use IE I am still vulnerable to IE flaws, because other apps can still invoke IE library calls, etc. Right, gotcha. If I choose not to use QT, I have "none of those problems" because, apparently, through the power of telepathy, any other application that might use QT library calls, from Final Cut Pro to After Effects (I seem to recall AE being borked by changes in QT just last week), knows that I've "chosen not to use QT" and its associated library calls, ergo Microsoft is horrible and evil and represents all that is soulless in the world, whilst Apple's genius never ceases to amaze us.

    Do you actually believe what you wrote? Because if you were to re-read it, reversing the words QT and IE, or substituting third party libraries, would you still believe it?

    Apparently, according to you, you're vulnerable because IE libraries and hooks are used throughout the system - sure, like the help system, etc. Which is why many MS security patches note that "this flaw can still affect you even if you do not use Internet Explorer", and yet Quicktime flaws, well, you don't need to update and fix them, you just "choose not to use them" and magically every other application and OS call on your system is protected?

    The RDF field is strong in this one.

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