LAN Turns 30, May Not See 40? 279
dratcw writes "The first commercial LAN was based on ARCnet technology and was installed some 30 years ago, according to a ComputerWorld article. Bob Metcalfe, one of the co-inventors of Ethernet, recalls the early battles between the different flavors of LAN and says some claims from the Token Ring backers such as IBM were lies. 'I know that sounds nasty, but for 10 years I had to put up with that crap from the IBM Token Ring people — you bet I'm bitter.' Besides dipping into networking nostalgia, the article also quotes an analyst who says the LAN may be nearing its demise and predicts that all machines will be individually connected to one huge WAN at gigabit speeds. Could the LAN actually be nearing the end of its lifecycle?"
Well, could it? (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes. All computers in the future will be stand alone and the Interweb will be shut down.
Somewhat interesting article, stupid summary question.
As long as the need for a secure network exists... (Score:5, Insightful)
LAN or WAN (Score:5, Insightful)
going away? (Score:5, Insightful)
Not as long as they let me control my own home network...
Re:As long as the need for a secure network exists (Score:5, Insightful)
It's not LAN vs wireless, it's LAN vs WAN.
Running a WAN without using LANs throughout is nonsense. IIRC a WAN is just bridged LANs by definition. Proposing that all the LANs will have one node is just silly.
Typical Bob Metcalfe of recent years. The man has lost it. Granted I haven't bothered reading anything he's written in a few years.
Silly prediction... (Score:4, Insightful)
The LAN as we know it, one central switch with a lot of ethernet cables getting out to individual ports in rooms, has been here for ages.
What didn't go away was the local addressing methods for sending data to all hosts (broadcast) and interaction with higher level protocols (ARP for determining the IP address).
The LAN as we are going to know it, a bunch of intercepted central-and-not-so-central switches which put you in the right (V)LAN when you plug in your computer to a random port connected to it, is here also if your organisation requires it, but for smaller organisations this is not really necessary:
and predicts that all machines will be individually connected to one huge WAN at gigabit speeds
You need a gigabit WAN for that to work, not all smaller organisations have the need for this. But yes I have rolled it out for two customers.
Every doorway opens onto a freeway? (Score:5, Insightful)
LANs will survive indefinitely precisely because sometimes your data is just feet or yards away
Re:Well, could it? (Score:5, Insightful)
Some networks, for example, should never be connected to the internet in any way.
Re:Well of course (Score:2, Insightful)
I pronounce imminent the death of:
ASCII
UNIX
the mouse
the QWERTY keyboard
RS-232
SMTP
and lots of other completely useless technology.
Re:As long as the need for a secure network exists (Score:1, Insightful)
The DVR is one of the most logical computers to have a public address in the home. Think of the possibilities if every DVR acted as a bittorrent node.
Re:As long as the need for a secure network exists (Score:4, Insightful)
Re:Reliability (Score:2, Insightful)
That dubya in WAN does not stand for Wireless. It stands for "Wide [wikipedia.org]:, as in, as wide as the internets. That Belkin you speak of creates its own little LAN; a WLAN, if you will.
The future, Conan? (Score:1, Insightful)
I'll make a bold statement- if the Ethernet switch could not have existed for some reason, Ethernet would be all but gone by now.
Ethernet is awesome, but without switches (or routers), all interfaces share a common bus. If 2 stations try to "talk" at the same time, a collision results, and they both have to try again. The more stations and traffic, the more collisions, the more retries, the more collisions, and it can saturate and become a third-world parliment fight.
Fiber networks are rings like Token ring. Token ring by definition has no collisions. One station is designated a master and sends out a token. You can only talk if you have the token, so token ring nets can use essentially 100% of the bandwidth. Extremely efficient and deterministic. However, if a station breaks, or the cable is pulled, the ring is BROKEN. Big nightmare.
IBM made very solid Token ring stuff- even had these great connector blocks with self-shorting connectors that kept the ring intact if you pulled out a station. But it was very pricey, so it went the way of the Betamax- technically better, but cost (much) too much more. Even with the old "thinnet", "T's", 50 ohm terminators, poorly crimped and flaky BNC connectors, Ethernet was cheaper and worth the many hassles. (Coming from a radio/analog electronics background, I had no problem with BNC splices, but I've seen some horribly crushed coax- some that still worked!)
When UTP (unshielded twisted pair) came out (1990ish), mass wiring got easier and telco people could install it reliably. But it could not, and still can't, be run more than 100 meters (in spec- of course there is good safety margin in the spec and you'll get longer runs to work fine.) I worked for a company where we literally strung a thinnet coax down the street to link 2 of our buildings. It was over 1000', as I recall, and with 2 lightning arrestors and 2 media converters, it worked perfectly.
When Ethernet switches came out, you could divvy up traffic much more easily than using routers, and when switches got really cheap, well, token ring is long gone.
Now with 10Gbit Ethernet (wow!!), switches, and trunking (parallel Ethernet paths), Ethernet bandwidth is keeping up nicely.
No wireless or WAN can come close to competing with the cost / bandwidth for local networks.
Fiber can be pricey, but is reasonable enough and great for interconnecting large campuses.
For me the bottom line is that if I relied on someone else's network, like a Comcast, Verizon, etc., and something broke, I have to rely on them to fix it. And I don't like that scenario. I want control of my realm, and I don't want a tech rep. from a Verizon telling me the problem is with my system when I know it's not.
So for direct control and management reasons, I want as much Ethernet and Fiber ring as possible, and only use WAN (VLAN, frame relay, leased line, etc.) where I can't string a cable down the street, or use a microwave link.
Re:WAN, SCHMAN (Score:5, Insightful)
That being said, I completely disagree with the author. There is no way that companies want to put all thier servers (not to mention clients) directly on the Internet. Firewalls will always exist for security reasons, and thus so will LANs.
"Internet enabled"-everything (Score:4, Insightful)
Yes, of course ! How do you think that they'll enforce even more stupid forms of DRM (that will force RMS to counter writing even more complex versions of GPL) ?
And how do you think that de government will spy on you, using the RFID tag reader in your fridge and fine you if you don't buy the mandatory 10% corn-based products required by some law that some lobby pushed ?
In 10 years, even tinfoil hats will be network-enabled.
Re:NAT != Firewall. (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:Well, could it? (Score:3, Insightful)
Re:WAN, SCHMAN (Score:4, Insightful)
With regard to networks, it's basically inarguable that the many network-enabled devices in people's homes will be sharing a single pipe from an ISP. It is also essentially inarguable that (for the foreseeable future) Ethernet will remain the common hard-wire standard for network connections. Multiple Ethernet connections will require some sort of switching hub to manage the traffic into and out of the shared internet connection, as well as between the various devices. Wireless will likewise still require some sort of central access point. So where, exactly, does this "visionary" genius see the change happening? This is already what we have now, and there's no real reason to change it. Is it a veiled reference to IPv6? Is he simply saying that NAT is going to become superfluous and that somehow that means the same as "the LAN will disappear"? Is he really claiming that no one will firewall their home devices at their [cablemodem/DSL/FiOS] connection, and will choose to allow anyone on their subnet to come browse their shares? Seriously, the internet is a great tool for mass communication, but this ain't no hippy commune. Anyone with enough sense to come in out of the rain is going to want to separate their stuff from the rabble outside. And if so, how is that--- a set of IP addresses behind a firewall--- not basically a LAN?
Re:WAN, SCHMAN (Score:4, Insightful)
I don't expect problems like that to go away anytime within the next 10 years. I can see the effects and probabilities mitigated but not removed. A software firewall hasn't always been the best approach either. Sometimes it would crash the system, in situations like with symantec, the firewall itself could be exploited, and so on. Imagine if everyone did a flood attack or actually had a back door into your devices for years/months before it was noticed and patched.
Re:WAN, SCHMAN (Score:3, Insightful)